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Nice to hear Kellerman name and shame that judge, Pierre Benoist.

Crooked bastard right here: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=judge

Asterix wrote:I think this fight shows that Paul Williams does have problems with tricky southpaws.

definitely mate, I wasnt impressed with him tonight. He doesn't know how to box against fellow southpaws and will get found out again.

Rightio people I'm over and out, have to go Xmas shopping with the missus in the morning

Pleasure as always

Cya Deno. I should get some sleep now, too.

Sounds a great fight will have to download it

Asterix wrote:I think this fight shows that Paul Williams does have problems with tricky southpaws.

I just don't think he's as good as some people think he is. I've said before that I feel the second Williams/Quintana was more an aberration than the first one. Most people seem to think Williams had an off night, but I feel Quintana took him out of his rhythm by getting off first all night. Williams just caught Quintana cold in the rematch.

Then tonight Williams struggles again albeit with a quality fighter. Williams is good, but he's not good enough to be ranked number 3 p4p in the world which is where yahoo sports have him ranked. Bare in mind that yahoo's rankings are based apon the votes of about ten to fifteen writers. Hype over substance if you ask me. Williams gets ranked more by the fact that a few fighters have supposedly ducked him rather than who he's actually beaten.

I definitely see what you're saying, ArtOfWar. I agree that he's not the 3rd best boxer in the World in all weights. He's a World class boxer, though, and, imo, joint best at light middleweight (with Sergio Martinez).

Interestingly enough the two judges that had the fight close gave Williams the first. Now it wouldn't have made a difference if they scored it even, but I thought Sergio deserved that round because he had Williams hurt while he was only down on a flash. If Martinez had won the first round it would have been a draw. Don't really see how Williams won that round.


The scorecard is up on fightnews If anyone hasn't seen it.

crusader wrote:Interestingly enough the two judges that had the fight close gave Williams the first. Now it wouldn't have made a difference if they scored it even, but I thought Sergio deserved that round because he had Williams hurt while he was only down on a flash. If Martinez had won the first round it would have been a draw. Don't really see how Williams won that round.


The scorecard is up on fightnews If anyone hasn't seen it.

I bet they already had their scorecards marked down by the time Martiinez knocked down Williams and they were to fat, slow and old to change it.

crusader wrote:Interestingly enough the two judges that had the fight close gave Williams the first. Now it wouldn't have made a difference if they scored it even, but I thought Sergio deserved that round because he had Williams hurt while he was only down on a flash. If Martinez had won the first round it would have been a draw. Don't really see how Williams won that round.


The scorecard is up on fightnews If anyone hasn't seen it.

Yep, the first definitely belonged to Martinez, for the reason you've stated.

Deno1986 wrote:

Asterix wrote:I think this fight shows that Paul Williams does have problems with tricky southpaws.

definitely mate, I wasnt impressed with him tonight. He doesn't know how to box against fellow southpaws and will get found out again.

umm yeah, cos top quality tricky southpaws are just falling off the trees like apples

I had it 115-113 Martinez the last 2 I gave to Martinez which easily could of gone to Williams. Great fight, terrible judging though 119-110 What fight was he watching

Counter-puncher wrote:

Deno1986 wrote:

Asterix wrote:I think this fight shows that Paul Williams does have problems with tricky southpaws.

definitely mate, I wasnt impressed with him tonight. He doesn't know how to box against fellow southpaws and will get found out again.

umm yeah, cos top quality tricky southpaws are just falling off the trees like apples

when Kirkland gets back he could give him trouble, he could be getting out before next Xmas. Williams will prob be up at Middleweight by then though. No need to be sarcastic by the way CP

CheckHook wrote:Problem is always the same in these type of fights, its not so much the fact that Williams won its that we all new Williams would get the nod in a close fight. I should say I haven't seen the fight, but its fairly obvious from all the scorecards posted in here that this could've gone either way.

i think it probably doesn't matter. it validates martinez, who keeps his title. keeps him fighting on HBO, who will probably keep on televising his fights. the cintron outrage as well as the 119-110 scorecard v williams, have got more ppl talking martinez than ever before.

hopefully we see a good string of wins now. i would like to see him vs ryan rhodes, who has shown some tremendous offensive skills in all the recent 154 pound title fights. then a limited US based slugger, perhaps angulo or kirkland when he comes out of prison, to show off martinez's smooth handspeed/footwork.

i felt martinez won. too sharp. for him to do all he did, as a replacement, at the weight williams wanted, was brilliant. he made paul williams look daft at times and landed most of the best shots.

to think that sky kept going on about how much bigger & stronger RICHARD williams was than martinez - only a few years ago - bloody hell it shows how far the argentine has come. it's interesting, martinez got a pretty tough ring education over here, and i feel these fights helped get him up to world class.

Deno1986 wrote: No need to be sarcastic by the way CP

granted, my apologies.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Deno1986 wrote: No need to be sarcastic by the way CP

granted, my apologies.

No problemo