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twenty six wrote:I would qualify that slightly Deserter.
Naz simply began to believe the hype, 100%.
That involved family members in the main wishing to keep everything "in house" and ensuring nothing financially was given away lightly.
He totally under valued the involvement of his mentor, Brendan, and his close friends from the Gym.
The routine that goes into a Boxers prep is vital.
Sadly he only realised that when it was too late.
Brendan worked for gratis for Naz from the age of 8, and deserved every penny he got paid when he hit the big time.
That continuing percentage (had it done so) paled into insignificance value wise when the full impact of going it alone is considered.
Training alone, suddenly realising the crutch that was Brendan was missing, and his pals from the Gym, how can you put a price on that ?
Naz knew it, but put a face on it.
Retrospective review is a wonderful thing, but I often wonder what would have happened had he stayed at Wincobank.

Captain Hook wrote:

twenty six wrote:I would qualify that slightly Deserter.
Naz simply began to believe the hype, 100%.
That involved family members in the main wishing to keep everything "in house" and ensuring nothing financially was given away lightly.
He totally under valued the involvement of his mentor, Brendan, and his close friends from the Gym.
The routine that goes into a Boxers prep is vital.
Sadly he only realised that when it was too late.
Brendan worked for gratis for Naz from the age of 8, and deserved every penny he got paid when he hit the big time.
That continuing percentage (had it done so) paled into insignificance value wise when the full impact of going it alone is considered.
Training alone, suddenly realising the crutch that was Brendan was missing, and his pals from the Gym, how can you put a price on that ?
Naz knew it, but put a face on it.
Retrospective review is a wonderful thing, but I often wonder what would have happened had he stayed at Wincobank.

Good insight mate, agreed...

Deserter wrote:
So says a man who:

a) Clearly hasn't watched the Barrera fight documentary

b) Hasn't read the words of people who were either part of or close to Hamed's camp and saw at first-hand the way he changed.

There are a number of people on Boxrec alone who can tell you categorically that it's not pure fantasy.

I have to ask this.... how old are you? It's just that you're genuinely the first person I've encountered in seven years of posting who doesn't feel that Naz's decline was due to his loss of dedication and indulgent lifestyle.

skelp wrote:what's to say the people close to his camp were not simply jealous of his achievements. He went on to greater things; while the rest of them under-achieved.

Deserter wrote:
Genuine question for you - who are you thinking of when you say that?

skelp wrote:

Deserter wrote:
Genuine question for you - who are you thinking of when you say that?

Well let's see: Ryan Rhodes has failed at World Level. Jonathan Thaxton never went beyond European. Those two were in the limelight the same time as Naz. And don't mention Johnny Nelson, he never won a genuine World Title, fought nobodies, and fighters who had been softened up by the other Cruiserweight Titelists of the time. Barring that Junior Witter is the only one who went on to greater honours.

Deserter wrote:
Interesting... so you suspect their jealousy is behind the claims of Naz losing his focus?

twenty six wrote: Are you seriously suggesting these lads are the reason for Naz's defeat and subsequent retirement ?
I give up.

skelp wrote:

twenty six wrote: Are you seriously suggesting these lads are the reason for Naz's defeat and subsequent retirement ?
I give up.

I give up too.

twenty six wrote:As in surrender, or is it just that you have no idea how to respond to our questions ?

twenty six wrote:I would qualify that slightly Deserter.
Naz simply began to believe the hype, 100%.
That involved family members in the main wishing to keep everything "in house" and ensuring nothing financially was given away lightly.He totally under valued the involvement of his mentor, Brendan, and his close friends from the Gym.
The routine that goes into a Boxers prep is vital.
Sadly he only realised that when it was too late.
Brendan worked for gratis for Naz from the age of 8, and deserved every penny he got paid when he hit the big time.
That continuing percentage (had it done so) paled into insignificance value wise when the full impact of going it alone is considered.
Training alone, suddenly realising the crutch that was Brendan was missing, and his pals from the Gym, how can you put a price on that ?
Naz knew it, but put a face on it.
Retrospective review is a wonderful thing, but I often wonder what would have happened had he stayed at Wincobank.

FLINT ISLAND wrote:In the documnetary Nabeel makes fun of Barrera training up in the cold mountains and living in a shed - while Naz and all the boys were down in the warm in a luxury hotel having fun - and watching TV and shooting pool

Idiots

Riath was just purely about the fiances

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:where can i see this doc??