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bettssam wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote:

Adam1991 wrote: how can you say that sam has come on here to defend himself after opinions have been voiced which all in all you should respect him for not jump down his throat after all this is a boxing forum, many people would hide from peoples poor opinions but sam has answered them i know both lads well and really cant believe what im reading on here at the moment.. this has taken the shine off what was a really good performance by rik turba this should be about rik and his comeback to the boxing environment.. good luck to sam and rick hope u go far together.

welcome to forums lol

people do have stupid opinions and then dont want to discuss it when people disagree its the few that give the rest of us a bad name

I must thank you Adam You are obviously a genuine user and not Jeff Thomas logging in pretending to be Roy Finlay,or any other of these brave box rec users afraid to use their real names, I have worked corners in world title fights and trained world and british champions, I am currently working with two future champion's from Blackpool, Rik Turba, and Matty Askin, my reputation cant be taken away from me by a green eyed little man on a computer keyboard, reputations are earned in gyms,and corners. Jeff Thomas did not learn a thing in his short time as a registered trainer, he did not train 1 proffesional fighter, did not work 1 corner,
If anyone wants to know who I am, ask Michael Jennings, ask Robin Reid, Andy Abrol , Karl Etherigton, if your from Blackpool, or ask the most respected and senior trainer in Britain, ask Brian Hughes, who Sam Betts is,
I HAVE EARNED MY REPUTATION IN THE GYMS OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH GREAT FIGHTERS, ASK YOUR SELF WHY TWO BLACKPOOL FIGHTERS FROM THE SAME GYM AS JEFF THOMAS EMPLOY ME AND NOT HIM.
JEFF THOMAS IS CURRENTLY SUSPENDED BY THE BOXING BOARD OF CONTROL FOR NONE PAYMENT OF LICEINSE, AFTER HOLDING ONE FOR ONLY 1 YEAR.
I think its a sham that Box Rec allows this man to log in and out of these forums under different name to try to bring down my good name, untill box rec removes this fraudster who masquerades as a genuine trainer of proffesionals, I will not take part in any more of these forums, as they contain as much genuine information as a comic book. Its a disgrace that a failed suspended trainer should be allowed to do this. if anyone else wants to slag me off on here at least be brave enough to use your real name.
Sam Betts.

I would have to argue with that post.
In the last few years Jeffs has played a huge part @ my gym. He is with me in every corner that i do. For Gomez's fight last year against Ricky Burns Jeff assisted with his training, was one of his main sparing partners, and was in the corner with me.
This years going to be a big year for my gym with big Kenny Anderson going into big fights and a host of prospects about to make their debut. Jeff will continue to be with us all the way. The lads value his opinion, and i couldnt wish for a better right jand man on the night of the shows.
Barry McGuigan whos opinion i value more than most rates Jeff so that will do for me!

Ps Fantastic news about Turba, i had the pleasure of meeting him when Jeff brought him over to spar with Kenny, great guy with lots of ability. All the best guys

MachoMan09 wrote:I had missed this thread.

Of all the topics I have seen in my long boxing forum career, this is the most upsetting. I know Sam Betts well and he is a genuine, hardworking, successful bloke. Likewise, Jeff is a good lad. So this online fall-out is somewhat depressing and unnecessary.

Those that have chosen to take Jeff's side simply because Sam is a new poster are misguided. The fact is, they have both let themselves down here and are typically well above this level of behavior. Sort it out amicably and offline, fellas.

Roy Finlay is somebody I don't have as much time for but he was a half decent prospect and it was a pity he knocked the sport on the head. I have heard - from Jeff - that he has gone on to get a decent job and is doing okay for himself, so that is good news. If somebody has set up an account in Roy's name, they should ask for it to be deleted. It is out of order to impersonate anybody, let alone a former fighter.

People like you disgust me, MM. You're going to kill this forum with posts of this nature. 8)

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:I had missed this thread.

Of all the topics I have seen in my long boxing forum career, this is the most upsetting. I know Sam Betts well and he is a genuine, hardworking, successful bloke. Likewise, Jeff is a good lad. So this online fall-out is somewhat depressing and unnecessary.

Those that have chosen to take Jeff's side simply because Sam is a new poster are misguided. The fact is, they have both let themselves down here and are typically well above this level of behavior. Sort it out amicably and offline, fellas.

Roy Finlay is somebody I don't have as much time for but he was a half decent prospect and it was a pity he knocked the sport on the head. I have heard - from Jeff - that he has gone on to get a decent job and is doing okay for himself, so that is good news. If somebody has set up an account in Roy's name, they should ask for it to be deleted. It is out of order to impersonate anybody, let alone a former fighter.

People like you disgust me, MM. You're going to kill this forum with posts of this nature. 8)

Yes ...

bettssam wrote:
If anyone wants to know who I am, ask Michael Jennings, ask Robin Reid, Andy Abrol , Karl Etherigton, if your from Blackpool, or ask the most respected and senior trainer in Britain, ask Brian Hughes, who Sam Betts is,
I HAVE EARNED MY REPUTATION IN THE GYMS OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH GREAT FIGHTERS, ASK YOUR SELF WHY TWO BLACKPOOL FIGHTERS FROM THE SAME GYM AS JEFF THOMAS EMPLOY ME AND NOT HIM.
JEFF THOMAS IS CURRENTLY SUSPENDED BY THE BOXING BOARD OF CONTROL FOR NONE PAYMENT OF LICEINSE, AFTER HOLDING ONE FOR ONLY 1 YEAR.

Simmer down man. You sound like a 5 year old with that sort of rant.

This is a forum for christ sake, not a soapbox for you to tell us all how famous you are.

forcefraser wrote:

bettssam wrote:
If anyone wants to know who I am, ask Michael Jennings, ask Robin Reid, Andy Abrol , Karl Etherigton, if your from Blackpool, or ask the most respected and senior trainer in Britain, ask Brian Hughes, who Sam Betts is,
I HAVE EARNED MY REPUTATION IN THE GYMS OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH GREAT FIGHTERS, ASK YOUR SELF WHY TWO BLACKPOOL FIGHTERS FROM THE SAME GYM AS JEFF THOMAS EMPLOY ME AND NOT HIM.
JEFF THOMAS IS CURRENTLY SUSPENDED BY THE BOXING BOARD OF CONTROL FOR NONE PAYMENT OF LICEINSE, AFTER HOLDING ONE FOR ONLY 1 YEAR.

Simmer down man. You sound like a 5 year old with that sort of rant.

This is a forum for christ sake, not a soapbox for you to tell us all how famous you are.

MachoMan09 wrote:I had missed this thread.

Of all the topics I have seen in my long boxing forum career, this is the most upsetting. I know Sam Betts well and he is a genuine, hardworking, successful bloke. Likewise, Jeff is a good lad. So this online fall-out is somewhat depressing and unnecessary.

Those that have chosen to take Jeff's side simply because Sam is a new poster are misguided. The fact is, they have both let themselves down here and are typically well above this level of behavior. Sort it out amicably and offline, fellas.

Roy Finlay is somebody I don't have as much time for but he was a half decent prospect and it was a pity he knocked the sport on the head. I have heard - from Jeff - that he has gone on to get a decent job and is doing okay for himself, so that is good news. If somebody has set up an account in Roy's name, they should ask for it to be deleted. It is out of order to impersonate anybody, let alone a former fighter.

As bad as it is I've seen equally/more depressing spats over the years. I'm not opposed to Sam because he 'is a new poster' if a long established poster was being such a fool I would be equally dismayed

As I’ve stated in another post I really have no idea who Roy Finlay is, I wrongly assumed he was someone only known to Jeff & Sam rather than a public figure, my intention in ‘impersonating’ Roy Finlay was to introduce some much needed humour to this increasingly acrimonious exchange (and wind up Sam/Betty )

No offence to Roy Finlay was intended and I apologise if any has been caused

When this brouhaha breathes it’s last I will cease using this profile and the Mods may delete if they wish

King Geedorah wrote:Yep, this has spoiled my memories of the Maloney show.

Ha ha - ur a sensative chap aren't you?

forcefraser wrote:

bettssam wrote:
If anyone wants to know who I am, ask Michael Jennings, ask Robin Reid, Andy Abrol , Karl Etherigton, if your from Blackpool, or ask the most respected and senior trainer in Britain, ask Brian Hughes, who Sam Betts is,
I HAVE EARNED MY REPUTATION IN THE GYMS OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH GREAT FIGHTERS, ASK YOUR SELF WHY TWO BLACKPOOL FIGHTERS FROM THE SAME GYM AS JEFF THOMAS EMPLOY ME AND NOT HIM.
JEFF THOMAS IS CURRENTLY SUSPENDED BY THE BOXING BOARD OF CONTROL FOR NONE PAYMENT OF LICEINSE, AFTER HOLDING ONE FOR ONLY 1 YEAR.

Simmer down man. You sound like a 5 year old with that sort of rant.

This is a forum for christ sake, not a soapbox for you to tell us all how famous you are.

Show some respect do you know who you're addressing Force?

i would say jeff won by ko sounds a right doink this sam betts

royfinlay wrote:

forcefraser wrote:

bettssam wrote:
If anyone wants to know who I am, ask Michael Jennings, ask Robin Reid, Andy Abrol , Karl Etherigton, if your from Blackpool, or ask the most respected and senior trainer in Britain, ask Brian Hughes, who Sam Betts is,
I HAVE EARNED MY REPUTATION IN THE GYMS OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH GREAT FIGHTERS, ASK YOUR SELF WHY TWO BLACKPOOL FIGHTERS FROM THE SAME GYM AS JEFF THOMAS EMPLOY ME AND NOT HIM.
JEFF THOMAS IS CURRENTLY SUSPENDED BY THE BOXING BOARD OF CONTROL FOR NONE PAYMENT OF LICEINSE, AFTER HOLDING ONE FOR ONLY 1 YEAR.

Simmer down man. You sound like a 5 year old with that sort of rant.

This is a forum for christ sake, not a soapbox for you to tell us all how famous you are.

Show some respect do you know who you're addressing Force?

I feel safe behind my forum name

its sam betts dont u know be afraid be very afraid !!

[quote wrote:ok jeff thats enough do not use matty as a weapon in your row with sam.1st matty started at sams gym when he was 8.the reason we moved him was because of the travelling thats all.moran was not in is corner when matty won aba tittle it was henry herbert andy sumner,and sometimes mattys grandad terry halpin,moran was in his corner when he won the novices,matty then moved to atherton cos we had some digs there for him.sam introduced matty to bryans gym and took him there alot until he settled in.sam has done quite alot for matty ie pad work,training,and hours of chatting by phone and at his house.we the askins regard the betts family ,wife, kids ,and sams mother and father as very very good friends.sam still picks matty up and takes him to different gyms to train and spars alot with turba,if or when you interview matty you had better not use it as a stick to beat sam with,cos you will not here of matty slagging him off ever,also pat does not train or coach our matty it is tommy mac bryan and jacko.i hope this puts alot of your wrong facts to bed mate,i know these facts cos im mattys dad

"Jeff Thomas"]I have to admit this thread is entertaining! Sam I think the forum will be lost without your input. I'm not sure why you keep posting about my expired trainers licence- to go to the trouble of calling the board to check its validity- you must have a lot of time on you hands between training all these fighters.

We could go into an argument about professional fitness qualifications if you like? Rather then do that- and continue making a right idiot of yourself, how about you pipe down or attack me at the gym like you said you were going to? Or is that just made up as well?

I understand Brian Hughes and Pat Barrett train Askin, i've never seen you in his corner once? I'm doing an interview with him for boxrec this weekend and apparently you take him on the pads every couple of weeks when you can get down. Other then that you just bring slovak down for sparring. Not really training him is it? Who was in the corner when Askin won the ABA's? Who was in the corner for all of askins amateur bouts from first to last? Andy Sumner and Tony Moran.

Rick is a very good fighter and will have fair results regardless of who walks him to the ring. Intrestingly I understand Rick goes to a strength and conditioning coach to condition himself. Seeming as he already know's how to box what input do you have? I'm bored Sam, bored of flitting from one debate to the other while I 'defend' myself against someone whose boxing achievements are zero. Other then made up participation, in name fighters careers. For example, you weren't in the corner for Jennings Cotto, like you tell people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0zjUfLXhao

Like i said we both know the facts regardless of what you type here. Askin, Delaney, Myself, Campbell, Finlay, Ellis, Veitch, Boswell, Abrol, Cardle all fighters who for whatever reason trained with you at one time or another but left for BETTER coaches.

What makes you a good coach- explain to me what piece of concrete evidence that you know anymore then anyone else? Honest i've nothing left to say- you started all of this- remember that.[/quote]

What is Stuart trying to tell us?

Horse wrote:What is Stuart trying to tell us?

all im trying to say is i know them both.but i dont like my son used in it.but alot of jeffs facts about our matty are wrong,and im putting them wright.and im askin jeff to refrain from using my sons name in all of this

stuart wrote:jeff thats enough do not use matty as a weapon in your row with sam.1st matty started at sams gym when he was 8.the reason we moved him was because of the travelling thats all.moran was not in is corner when matty won aba tittle it was henry herbert andy sumner,and sometimes mattys grandad terry halpin,moran was in his corner when he won the novices,matty then moved to atherton cos we had some digs there for him.sam introduced matty to bryans gym and took him there alot until he settled in.sam has done quite alot for matty ie pad work,training,and hours of chatting by phone and at his house.we the askins regard the betts family ,wife, kids ,and sams mother and father as very very good friends.sam still picks matty up and takes him to different gyms to train and spars alot with turba,if or when you interview matty you had better not use it as a stick to beat sam with,cos you will not here of matty slagging him off ever,also pat does not train or coach our matty it is tommy mac bryan and jacko.i hope this puts alot of your wrong facts to bed mate,i know these facts cos im mattys dad

I think Horse is just saying that as he wasn't sure which bit you'd actually written Stuart as it wasn't highlighted from the other posts - done it for you here

Deserter wrote:I think Horse is just saying that as he wasn't sure which bit you'd actually written Stuart as it wasn't highlighted from the other posts - done it for you here

Yep, I didn't know which part he had written. Thanks for sorting his post out, Deserter.

stuart wrote:

Horse wrote:What is Stuart trying to tell us?

all im trying to say is i know them both.but i dont like my son used in it.but alot of jeffs facts about our matty are wrong,and im putting them wright.and im askin jeff to refrain from using my sons name in all of this

Ton of respect to you and Matty, stu. Been good mates with Matty for a long time and you know i'm quiet and not two faced- i'd not slag anyone who didn't deserve it and even then i'm very keen to keep most of my opinions to myself- at least I was until Sam got upset with a bit of reality been breathed into his life.

Sam Betts is a complete prick- a shit bag and a liar. He's already tried to say I was slagging off Ray Jennings and Mike. Something that I resolved yesterday. He can't fight his own battles so has to try and turn others against me- luckily a lifetime of been an all round good guy means most people won't believe a word he says.

The guy is a female- i've never had anyone be so bitchy about me in my entire life. I understand your concerns here and i'm sorry for bringing matty into but if you look earlier in the thread you might see why I was keen to make sam look the bullshitter that he is.

Like I said, not sure what's been said stu but i've pm'd you my number if you want to chat- and apoligise for any problems caused.

Sam Betts fight your own battles you pathetic man.

Jeff Thomas wrote:

stuart wrote:

Horse wrote:What is Stuart trying to tell us?

all im trying to say is i know them both.but i dont like my son used in it.but alot of jeffs facts about our matty are wrong,and im putting them wright.and im askin jeff to refrain from using my sons name in all of this

Ton of respect to you and Matty, stu. Been good mates with Matty for a long time and you know i'm quiet and not two faced- i'd not slag anyone who didn't deserve it and even then i'm very keen to keep most of my opinions to myself- at least I was until Sam got upset with a bit of reality been breathed into his life.

Sam Betts is a complete prick- a poop bag and a liar. He's already tried to say I was slagging off Ray Jennings and Mike. Something that I resolved yesterday. He can't fight his own battles so has to try and turn others against me- luckily a lifetime of been an all round good guy means most people won't believe a word he says.

The guy is a female- i've never had anyone be so bitchy about me in my entire life. I understand your concerns here and i'm sorry for bringing matty into but if you look earlier in the thread you might see why I was keen to make sam look the bullshitter that he is.

Like I said, not sure what's been said stu but i've pm'd you my number if you want to chat- and apoligise for any problems caused.

Sam Betts fight your own battles you pathetic man.

sam betts aint called jeff.the guy who runs mattys web site called me.you see every time mats name is mentioned he gets a notification,and he said check it out,but sam is a friend and i dont want matty involved

stuart wrote:sam betts aint called jeff.the guy who runs mattys web site called me.you see every time mats name is mentioned he gets a notification,and he said check it out,but sam is a friend and i dont want matty involved

Keep Matty out of it !

Matt the Master wrote:

stuart wrote:sam betts aint called jeff.the guy who runs mattys web site called me.you see every time mats name is mentioned he gets a notification,and he said check it out,but sam is a friend and i dont want matty involved

Keep Matty out of it !

Why on Earth did you bring this old thread up?

Wtf?

6 year gap?

reggaereggae wrote:

Matt the Master wrote:

stuart wrote:sam betts aint called jeff.the guy who runs mattys web site called me.you see every time mats name is mentioned he gets a notification,and he said check it out,but sam is a friend and i dont want matty involved

Keep Matty out of it !

Why on Earth did you bring this old thread up?

fornicate knows - then I read the thread and now want to know what happened next !

How very bizarre

Matty deserves to be left out of this