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mugabi wrote:Have you seen the kind of extended slow and steady beatdowns Klitchko hands out before the concussive knockout. I've been in the ring and around it, and beleive me those are the kind of beatings that end careers early.Fine if a guy wants to blow your career before its really started.

Old bones Ian wrote:He brings something different to the game, and maybe he's like a few before him that they have to find the right level for the public to like them.

He's won me over.

carlbcfc wrote:He showed a lot more movement last week, than most of Wlads recent opponents, who just stood there and got jabbed to death.

Glyn Leach wrote:I dunno, I think it's believable. The brothers are obviously keen to be very active — and fair play to them, I wish Haye would do the same — and there is only a finite number of opponents they haven't already faced. Is Chisora any worse a pick than Sosnowski? I'd argue probably not, though Albert would have brought a large Polish element to the gate.

In Germany, for the moment at least, it doesn't matter who the opponent is, particularly in Wlad's case. They just want to see the Klitschkos fight (God love 'em). I'm sure Chisora is on their radar at the moment, simply because they are having trouble finding enough opponents to fit the busy fight schedules of two champions.

oliverfennell wrote:

mugabi wrote:Have you seen the kind of extended slow and steady beatdowns Klitchko hands out before the concussive knockout. I've been in the ring and around it, and beleive me those are the kind of beatings that end careers early.Fine if a guy wants to blow your career before its really started.

And who are these guys who were so badly beaten that their careers were over afterwards? I know what you're getting at, but I think you're exaggerating a little.

stujones wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:I dunno, I think it's believable. The brothers are obviously keen to be very active — and fair play to them, I wish Haye would do the same — and there is only a finite number of opponents they haven't already faced. Is Chisora any worse a pick than Sosnowski? I'd argue probably not, though Albert would have brought a large Polish element to the gate.

In Germany, for the moment at least, it doesn't matter who the opponent is, particularly in Wlad's case. They just want to see the Klitschkos fight (God love 'em). I'm sure Chisora is on their radar at the moment, simply because they are having trouble finding enough opponents to fit the busy fight schedules of two champions.

Its not supposed to be in Germany though. The sceptic in me thinks early plug for the date - dec 11th.... early plug for Derek Chisora "knocking on the door of a world title fight".

We had it so many times with Danny Williams / Skelton / Harrison etc back on ITV. One fight from a world title. So excuse my continued scepticism.

I'm sure Wlad will have someone in the WBO/IBF rankings, there is plenty of poor fighters there to choose from. Your right it could be Butterbean and it will sell in Germany, so why make it someone half dangerous. Mormeck I heard was in the running, Banks would be an easy fight to make, how about Boystov, Solis etc.

mugabi wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

mugabi wrote:Have you seen the kind of extended slow and steady beatdowns Klitchko hands out before the concussive knockout. I've been in the ring and around it, and beleive me those are the kind of beatings that end careers early.Fine if a guy wants to blow your career before its really started.

And who are these guys who were so badly beaten that their careers were over afterwards? I know what you're getting at, but I think you're exaggerating a little.

Let me put it this way Oliver which of them did anything of note again on world title level?

oliverfennell wrote:

mugabi wrote:

oliverfennell wrote: And who are these guys who were so badly beaten that their careers were over afterwards? I know what you're getting at, but I think you're exaggerating a little.

Let me put it this way Oliver which of them did anything of note again on world title level?

Yeah, that's why I said I know what you're getting at, but how much has Chisora achieved at world level so far? That's my point - nothing to lose. I can hear the argument that a beating could cut short what he might do at world level, but then again he might not do that anyway, so it's worth the gamble IMO.

Glyn Leach wrote:More I think of it, this could make sense. Warren has his 30th anniversary show at the ExCel on 11th Dec, Wlad-Chisora in Germany, Sky would like that as a PPV.

Or maybe Frank might want to really push the boat out for his anniversary. But it would cost an awful lot for it to make financial sense to Wlad to fight in Britain. That said, might be worth gambling on a PPV split with Wlad — would probably still be a better earner than Magnificent Seven was for Warren. Maybe Britain could work.

Glyn Leach wrote:More I think of it, this could make sense. Warren has his 30th anniversary show at the ExCel on 11th Dec, Wlad-Chisora in Germany, Sky would like that as a PPV.

Or maybe Frank might want to really push the boat out for his anniversary. But it would cost an awful lot for it to make financial sense to Wlad to fight in Britain. That said, might be worth gambling on a PPV split with Wlad — would probably still be a better earner than Magnificent Seven was for Warren. Maybe Britain could work.

Glyn Leach wrote:Don't think the venue size is that important in financial terms, the gate is only an extra — plus ExCel is already sorted. Yes, you could get a few thousand more somewhere else, but it's the TV money that will dictate whether the fight is financially viable. Wlad will already have the German PPV revenue, so coming to Britain and getting a slice of British PPV, if Warren were willing to give it up, would be a nice extra. All depends if they can negotiate it, there would have to be considerable give and take, but it could make sense for all concerned.

It could definitely help Wlad in the PR war Lenny, don't you reckon? Coming into Haye's backyard, literally, and selling out while Haye has to go to Manchester to draw a big crowd. Would also be a coup for Warren.

leforge wrote:Surely wlad sure fight someone more deserving of shot!

Tunney wrote:Wladimir Klitschko's options are few for his December 11 opponent. His management has contacted the promoters of both up-and-comer Derek Chisora and James Toney, who has been calling out the Klitschkos for years.

- Tua wants to wait until 2011, have a warm-up first then fight Wlad
- Mormeck was considered only as a last resort, but he doesn't want the fight until 2011 anyway
- Adamek wants to wait until March 2011 by which time he will likely be WBO mandatory
- Solis wants to wait for a mandatory shot at Vitali
- Valuev is having surgery
- Arreola is injured
- Boytsov is coming off surgery
- Povetkin is afraid of Wlad
- Dimitrenko wants to fight a Klitschko in 2011 in a big Ukrainian event
- Ibragimov is scheduled for October, and not ranked by the WBO or IBF
- Banks is Wlad's best friend and it would be a mismatch
- Chagaev, Thompson, and Chambers have already been stopped in fights with Wlad

ourkid1984 wrote:No reason not to take it.

Don't think he will win or even come close but it's worth it for the money and press he will receive. I don't think it will happen though. The Klits like to fight in Germany in stadiums not in a relatively small venue in England.

kingfinn wrote:

ourkid1984 wrote:No reason not to take it.

Don't think he will win or even come close but it's worth it for the money and press he will receive. I don't think it will happen though. The Klits like to fight in Germany in stadiums not in a relatively small venue in England.

What like the westham ground?

leforge wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

ourkid1984 wrote:No reason not to take it.

Don't think he will win or even come close but it's worth it for the money and press he will receive. I don't think it will happen though. The Klits like to fight in Germany in stadiums not in a relatively small venue in England.

What like the westham ground?

West ham ground poop the area awful also weather in December is bad. Cardiff as millenium has roof have cleverly in world title could do well if tickets are reasonable.

kevo wrote:Seems all you need for a HW title shot these days is a win over a domestic class opponent.