If Murray beat Ortiz then the clamour for Khan/Murray would reach a new level and if Khan dodged him again it would be massively glorified. He got a way with it once, I can't see him being able to do it twice. But again, I may be stupidly wrong, mate.orbtastic wrote:You think? They seem poles apart in every aspect these days.
bought every issue of that magazine since march 99.Glyn Leach wrote:For what it's worth, Boxing Monthly's two lowest selling issues so far this year had Murray on one cover and Khan on the other — and the Murray issue outsold Khan
i think hatton would be good for improving that local support.MachoMan09 wrote:John is a top bloke. It's frustrating that some people have him down as lacking personality. His lack of exposure is the obvious reason for this. I think John should probably look to try and secure a deal with Warren or perhaps and American outfit - if they are interested. I think Hatton would be the wrong move and believe that whilst Hennessey has manoeuvred John into a decent ranking he has clearly failed to market him to the general public.
Can you not see the disparity in the matchmaking though?Dioufy wrote:If Murray beat Ortiz then the clamour for Khan/Murray would reach a new level and if Khan dodged him again it would be massively glorified. He got a way with it once, I can't see him being able to do it twice. But again, I may be stupidly wrong, mate.orbtastic wrote:You think? They seem poles apart in every aspect these days.
Sadly, so could IDioufy wrote:Khan's going to get fed a lightweight after Maidana - I say that's a given. Khan's next fight is in England he says, and Murray will be the fight that sells more tickets. A battle of Britain, between Khan and Britain's "longest unbeaten" record would be immense for the general public.
GBP know that too, IMO.
It was a cert that Marquez was fighting Khan is December but Marquez pulled out because he felt that GBP were feeding him to the wolves, so to speak. I don't think a fight between these two would be easy to make, especially when Khan wants to fight in England next.orbtastic wrote:I think Marquez can beat Katsidis, which would set-up a fight both would relish.
Marquez is under appreciated, he would come here to fight and I think it'd do very well.
Agreed on all points. GBP could sell Khan-Marquez on an 'our boy vs the Mexican legend' premise, despite Marquez being old and a lightweight. Also Khan-Katsidis could be sold on the strength of the Mitchell fight. Given that Murray drew only 1000-odd the other night, Marquez or Katsidis might be seen as a more marketable opponent than Murray. In that sense, we might be in luck — Murray might not get the Khan fight and could go on to establish himself in his own weight category. Murray's low profile might work in his favour. Khan-Marquez they could definitely sell as a pay per view, Khan-Katsidis or Murray are only maybes in my bookorbtastic wrote:I think Marquez can beat Katsidis, which would set-up a fight both would relish.
Marquez is under appreciated, he would come here to fight and I think it'd do very well.
I really don't like the idea of a Khan fight for Murray...I think it stinks of low ambition for Khan, despite Murray's run/skills.
i don't agree with this. Joe G posted a while back that Khan - Murray was 'the fight the public wanted to see' and i said at the time I thought he was either barking, or playing the fight up way beyond its real import, interest-wise.Dioufy wrote:Khan's going to get fed a lightweight after Maidana - I say that's a given. Khan's next fight is in England he says, and Murray will be the fight that sells more tickets. A battle of Britain, between Khan and Britain's "longest unbeaten" record would be immense for the general public.
GBP know that too, IMO.
a particular lightweight like JMM, or just any lightweight will do?Dioufy wrote:Khan's going to get fed a lightweight after Maidana - I say that's a given. .
possibly but i wouldn't bet on itDioufy wrote:
Barney and CP, answer this with a one word answer please - do you believe Murray would beat Ortiz?
jesus, now GBP have designs on Murray. dude i think you're off on this one.Dioufy wrote:I also get the impression that GDP want Murray on the same bill as Khan because they could potentially match them in future.
Yep, that's why they offered him a 50/50 fight with one of their own fighters.Counter-puncher wrote:jesus, now GBP have designs on Murray. dude i think you're off on this one.Dioufy wrote:I also get the impression that GDP want Murray on the same bill as Khan because they could potentially match them in future.
from a near-inaudible whisper, to a polite murmur?Dioufy wrote:
If Murray beat Ortiz then the clamour for Khan/Murray would reach a new level
Silly, mate, just silly. Murray is a relentless pressure fighter with a good chin. Ortiz is a fast starter with a shocking heart. If anyone from 135lbs can break down Ortiz then Murray can. It would be an immensely good win for Ortiz if he beat Murray. Too much risk, too little reward for Ortiz/GBP there.Counter-puncher wrote:from a near-inaudible whisper, to a polite murmur?Dioufy wrote:
If Murray beat Ortiz then the clamour for Khan/Murray would reach a new level
i think GBP may have offered muz to Ortiz because- maybe i am taking a flier here- they think Muz is easy pickings for their boy?
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if Murray were to win then obviously GBP would have options on him. Now considering where Murray has gone in 2 years, or not gone shall we say, being with Oscar wouldn't be a bad thing. It'd be a win-win for GBP.Glyn Leach wrote:GBP definitely are NOT looking to get Ortiz beat
Except that they have already invested an awful lot of money in Ortiz, rehabilitated him after a bad defeat and believe that he could become a big seller in the Hispanic market. Yes, they'd have options on Murray, but the marketing potential in the U.S. is far less for a British fighter. In America the main body of boxing fans are Hispanic. I really can't imagine them matching Ortiz with someone they thought could beat him, the record doesn't suggest that. They slipped up with Maidana though, maybe they'd make the same mistake with Murray. But I think it's a horrible fight for Murray and a good fight for Ortiz.Dioufy wrote:I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if Murray were to win then obviously GBP would have options on him. Now considering where Murray has gone in 2 years, or not gone shall we say, being with Oscar wouldn't be a bad thing. It'd be a win-win for GBP.Glyn Leach wrote:GBP definitely are NOT looking to get Ortiz beat
I somewhat disagree on Mitchell - not that part where you say his "favours" did him no favours against Katisdis I completely agree there. What I disagree with is your analogy that Mitchell had it easy where as Murray hasn't?G0mez wrote:People are trying to compare John Murray's career with Amir Khan or summat.
Bottom line is, the likes of John Murray and Rendall Munroe are bloody good British fighters with a bit of a local and national following.
They are both on the cusp of world titles, yet regulary fight in leisure centres, because that's just the way boxing is, unless your fortunate to have medalled at the Olympics.
Even Frankie Gavin, who has a world amateur medal, didnt receive half the media coverage that Degale has - and Degale hasn't received nearly as much as a silver medal winner from Bolton has.
If were gonna make comparisons then we need to compare apples for apples.
And Mitchell is the nearest.
Mitchell's opportunity arrived and he got squashed, perhaps due to lack of experience. Maybe the same fate awaits John Murray, but one things for sure, his steady progression through the ranks has been on merit. No WBO favours have been called in - and therefore even if he falls short at the top where it's tough, he will not be embarrassed and will continue to operate at that level for a long time.
Mitchell was harvested too early and fought too many bums. He fought a guy who was 2-2-0 just 4 fights before Michael Katsidis who himself had fought Juan Diaz 4 fights earlier.
No wonder Kevin got 'hammered' at the hammers. It's like playing a pub football team and then playing Real Madrid.
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Silly, mate, just silly. Murray is a relentless pressure fighter with a good chin ALL OF IT UNPROVEN ANYWHERE ABOVE 135 AND ANYWHERE ABOVE BRITISH LEVEL. Ortiz is a fast starter with a shocking heart. If anyone from 135lbs can break down Ortiz then Murray can. It would be an immensely good win for Ortiz if he beat Murray. Too much risk, too little reward for Ortiz/GBP there.