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Tucker and Smith simply nullified Tyson's offense by clinching but it's not like they were able to do anything effective on the inside either.

To think if Bowe just lays on the inside with Tyson he'll administer this beating is insane. First off, Tyson wasn't a great inside fighter but he wasn't awful. One BIG advantage he has is far superior footspeed. He could turn on an angle in a flash and deliver hooks and uppercuts that Bowe won't see coming. And even if Bowe lands more punches initially (on the inside, and I think this is a non-issue b/c Tyson would be able to find the distance he liked), the punches Mike gets through will do far greater damage.

And how would Bowe avoid those mid-range punches anyway? With his fast feet and great upper body movement?

I never said he would avoid them all night, it would be back and forth for a few rds and once Bowe started backing him up regularly, Mike is useless.

I wasn't using Tucker & smith as an example of what Bowe would do.That was in response to Tyson looking better against taller fighters than he did short ones.

dempseyfire wrote:Tucker and Smith simply nullified Tyson's offense by clinching but it's not like they were able to do anything effective on the inside either.

To think if Bowe just lays on the inside with Tyson he'll administer this beating is insane. First off, Tyson wasn't a great inside fighter but he wasn't awful. One BIG advantage he has is far superior footspeed. He could turn on an angle in a flash and deliver hooks and uppercuts that Bowe won't see coming. And even if Bowe lands more punches initially (on the inside, and I think this is a non-issue b/c Tyson would be able to find the distance he liked), the punches Mike gets through will do far greater damage.

And how would Bowe avoid those mid-range punches anyway? With his fast feet and great upper body movement?

Bowe would be the stronger man and he would need to utilize that advantage. Riddick could not afford a slow start, he would have to back Tyson up from the opening bell. When Holyfield beat Tyson he sure didn't wait around to see what Tyson would do, he went straight at him, Bowe would need to do the same. Bowe would usually make his size and strength count but he never struck me as a fast starter when he had a live body in fron of him.

Everyone on this thread seems to be ignoring the fact that Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis.

such a good job we have you here to keep us on-point, then.

don't think your work isn't appreciated

keithmoonhangover wrote:Everyone on this thread seems to be ignoring the fact that Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis.

I think that perhaps we're all looking at his performances in the ring, which certainly showed a great deal of heart. I'm sure if he had fought Lewis he would have also shown a great deal of heart and would have fought hard right up until he was counted out.

The Great John L wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Everyone on this thread seems to be ignoring the fact that Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis.

I think that perhaps we're all looking at his performances in the ring, which certainly showed a great deal of heart. I'm sure if he had fought Lewis he would have also shown a great deal of heart and would have fought hard right up until he was counted out.

Don't mind him, he is a retard. At least he has good taste in music.

Bowe did duck Lewis but he didn't quit when taking a beating.

Tyson did quit when taking a beating.

I think the differences of opinion in this thread proves me right!!! It would be a fight that either man could win.

Ezzard wrote:Bowe did duck Lewis but he didn't quit when taking a beating.

Tyson did quit when taking a beating.

Both true, although I'm sure you would agree that Tyson showed an enormous heart when he was getting mugged by Douglas. I think most would agree that the instances of an older Tyson quiting really don't have much relevance when talking about a prime Tyson.

Ezzard wrote:I think the differences of opinion in this thread proves me right!!! It would be a fight that either man could win.

I don't think I'd go that far.

The Great John L wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Bowe did duck Lewis but he didn't quit when taking a beating.

Tyson did quit when taking a beating.

Both true, although I'm sure you would agree that Tyson showed an enormous heart when he was getting mugged by Douglas. I think most would agree that the instances of an older Tyson quiting really don't have much relevance when talking about a prime Tyson.

Ezzard wrote:I think the differences of opinion in this thread proves me right!!! It would be a fight that either man could win.

I don't think I'd go that far.

Don't begrudge me my tiny victories!

Ezzard wrote:

The Great John L wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Bowe did duck Lewis but he didn't quit when taking a beating.

Tyson did quit when taking a beating.

Both true, although I'm sure you would agree that Tyson showed an enormous heart when he was getting mugged by Douglas. I think most would agree that the instances of an older Tyson quiting really don't have much relevance when talking about a prime Tyson.

Ezzard wrote:I think the differences of opinion in this thread proves me right!!! It would be a fight that either man could win.

I don't think I'd go that far.

Don't begrudge me my tiny victories!

lol.

The Great John L wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Bowe did duck Lewis but he didn't quit when taking a beating.

Tyson did quit when taking a beating.

Both true, although I'm sure you would agree that Tyson showed an enormous heart when he was getting mugged by Douglas. I think most would agree that the instances of an older Tyson quiting really don't have much relevance when talking about a prime Tyson.

Ezzard wrote:I think the differences of opinion in this thread proves me right!!! It would be a fight that either man could win.

I don't think I'd go that far.

Tyson could definitely take a beating with the best of them. Once he was on the receiving end he pretty much just accepted his fate and took as much as he could. But it took a hell of a lot to put him away.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tyson could definitely take a beating with the best of them. Once he was on the receiving end he pretty much just accepted his fate and took as much as he could. But it took a hell of a lot to put him away.

I think there are too many that remember his last few fights when he really wasn't even in the game anymore. I don't think he could have accomplished what he did without a champions heart.

The Great John L wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tyson could definitely take a beating with the best of them. Once he was on the receiving end he pretty much just accepted his fate and took as much as he could. But it took a hell of a lot to put him away.

I think there are too many that remember his last few fights when he really wasn't even in the game anymore. I don't think he could have accomplished what he did without a champions heart.

I agree. He took a hell of a beating from Douglas.

Counter-puncher wrote:such a good job we have you here to keep us on-point, then.

don't think your work isn't appreciated

LOL

Well the people on youtube say that Iron Mike would destroy anyone and everyone in his prime, so Tyson KO1


Emmanuel Steward: "Mike is too much man for him."

The Great John L wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Bowe did duck Lewis but he didn't quit when taking a beating.

Both true, although I'm sure you would agree that Tyson showed an enormous heart when he was getting mugged by Douglas.

I don't think I'd go that far.

True, those images of Tyson almost unconscious scratching around for his gumshield to carry on are hard to forget.

I will correct myself. Tyson did show heart in the Douglas fight. It's just that he couldn't fight as well under adversity as Bowe did. I can't think of an extremely close fight that Tyson won. If he wasn't winning, he wasn't going to win. Bowe has more experiences with being down in the clutch and still fighting back. Tyson has never came back to KO anyone. If they were beating him then they won.

Tyson quit against Holyfield and it was far worse than Vitali's retirment against Byrd.

IKSRTFO wrote: I can't think of an extremely close fight that Tyson won. .

this is always the line I use to calm over-excited Tyson-ranters down. this, plus 'name me a decent fighter he beat'.

Well he did crush Holmes and Spinks...

IKSRTFO wrote:I will correct myself. Tyson did show heart in the Douglas fight. It's just that he couldn't fight as well under adversity as Bowe did. I can't think of an extremely close fight that Tyson won. If he wasn't winning, he wasn't going to win. Bowe has more experiences with being down in the clutch and still fighting back. Tyson has never came back to KO anyone. If they were beating him then they won.

When did Bowe ever come back to win? I guess you could say against Golota but he didn't really come back now did he? Tyson did come back to ko Botha and some will say he lost the first round vs. Tubbs but I agree with you that he was essentially a front runner. To adjust and come back from real adversity in a fight is actually a pretty rare quality in a fighter and imo neither Bowe nor Tyson ever truly possessed that quality.

Bowe made a pretty good comeback in the third Holyfield fight. It wasn't his fault that Evander was too sick to finish him off.

Fair point though. Tyson/Botha killed me, I had bet on Botha with everyone at a fight party and was really rubbing it in. It was probably only $150, but the bragging rights would have been eternal.

hhaehre wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:I will correct myself. Tyson did show heart in the Douglas fight. It's just that he couldn't fight as well under adversity as Bowe did. I can't think of an extremely close fight that Tyson won. If he wasn't winning, he wasn't going to win. Bowe has more experiences with being down in the clutch and still fighting back. Tyson has never came back to KO anyone. If they were beating him then they won.

When did Bowe ever come back to win? I guess you could say against Golota but he didn't really come back now did he? Tyson did come back to ko Botha and some will say he lost the first round vs. Tubbs but I agree with you that he was essentially a front runner. To adjust and come back from real adversity in a fight is actually a pretty rare quality in a fighter and imo neither Bowe nor Tyson ever truly possessed that quality.

Bowe was very lucky to get the decision over Tubbs. I have the fight on VHS and think Tubbs won it. A lot of the media at the time agreed.
Bowe's record is poor. Apart from beating Holyfield twice, what did he achieve?