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http://www.skysports.com/haye/video/0,2 ... 18,00.html

Doesn't look like Haye is taking anything lightly here.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Hahaha! It's true though. the guy with the cheap ass shorts is usually NOT the house fighter, and therefore brought over to lose. If they both have fairly

Also, generally, though obviously there are exceptions the more body hair and/or tattoos a fighter has, the worse they seem to be. I am not sure why this should be so, but it seems generally true.

I do believe the body hair one a bit! The tattoo one used to work very well, because often the naturally quite wimpy guys who wanted to look tough and so also boxed got loads of tattoos...but generally they were sh1t at boxing.

However as tattoos have become so popular in the last 10-15 years, they are everywhere. Probably more people have tattoos in their 20s than not...

I believe it is actually a REQUIREMENT to have a tattoo if you are a cage fighter!

reggaereggae wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Hahaha! It's true though. the guy with the cheap ass shorts is usually NOT the house fighter, and therefore brought over to lose. If they both have fairly

Also, generally, though obviously there are exceptions the more body hair and/or tattoos a fighter has, the worse they seem to be. I am not sure why this should be so, but it seems generally true.

I do believe the body hair one a bit! The tattoo one used to work very well, because often the naturally quite wimpy guys who wanted to look tough and so also boxed got loads of tattoos...but generally they were sh1t at boxing.

However as tattoos have become so popular in the last 10-15 years, they are everywhere. Probably more people have tattoos in their 20s than not...

I believe it is actually a REQUIREMENT to have a tattoo if you are a cage fighter!

Yeah true, they are more popular than they used to be.

The body hair one still seems to be hanging in there.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

hurlock wrote:i fancey harrison if he's hole hold's out. it's all well being pumped, but once through the ropes the robe comes off & it's you & him thing's change.
look at harrison's life, he allway's suceed's in the end. he froze v danny watts in the aba final, then went on to win 3 of them.boxed pony in his run up to sydney & boottled it against samm. early on in sydney he was behind & pulled of the stoppage & got the belief & won the final easily with one hand :!:
haye has been rattled by small men like mock, twite,thompson,mormeck, barret.

hope audley humbles haye.

What about Audley's 'triumphs' over Sprott and Rogan.

rogie beat him & also beat skelton who gave chagaev a far better fight then valuev who was beaten by a mile by chagaev opposed to haye's controversial decision.

ed robinson wrote:orbastic - sorry, a rift is news to me! There should be some Haye training on Ringside Thursday.

James - it was Eddie Hearn who mentioned it to me - he probably meant a hyperbolic chamber. Either way they seemed convinced that the altitude training wouldn't go to waste.

i believe it's a hypoxic chamber...........defo does the job!!!!!!

dukeruffhands wrote:

ed robinson wrote:orbastic - sorry, a rift is news to me! There should be some Haye training on Ringside Thursday.

James - it was Eddie Hearn who mentioned it to me - he probably meant a hyperbolic chamber. Either way they seemed convinced that the altitude training wouldn't go to waste.

i believe it's a hypoxic chamber...........defo does the job!!!!!!

I meant to say Hypobaric chamber. Kinda the same thing, reduced air pressure meaning there are less gases present. I believe people use it as an alternative to altitude training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypobaric_chamber

the chamber makes some differance, as a family member suffer's from m.s benefit's from it. or is that oxygen??? DD

stujones wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

orbtastic wrote:He looked ok in the first couple of rounds in the 1st Sprott fight before Sprott came back with something and he retreated into his shell.

He does the same thing again and again. He talks a good fight but I think mentally just can't put it together when under pressure. quote]

1) As mentioned ad infinitum, there were very valid reasons for the change in the fight's complexion.

2) Audley actually does better under pressure. It's a misconception that he is forced into his shell by aggression or being hurt. Consider he's won two of his rematches and found the punches to not only win but save his career last time out. Also some of his better KOs have come against boxers who pressured him, and even in the much-maligned first Williams fight, his best work came after being dropped. True to say he can be overly tentative and not take offensive opportunities when they present themselves, but he's actually better when forced to fight.

Oliver, what was the reason for the change of complexion for the FIRST Sprott fight? I don't know... shoulder injury again?

Of course the first Sprott fight was a legit win and I'll make no excuses for Harrison. In fact, I was one of his biggest critics for that performance - he started strong, seemingly had Sprott beaten, and then inexplicably took his foot off the gas, with disastrous results.

orbtastic wrote:You're right in that he put in some effort in the 10th (last?) round against Guinn but that was after 9 miserable rounds where he barely threw a punch and he knew he was losing. The same again in that awful fight with Williams where he threw caution to the wind slightly after being knocked down but it was fleeting. The same could be said with the Sprott fight where he was a mile behind on points and literally needed a knockout to win.

You just underlined my point - that, contrary to popular belief, he actually fights better when the pressure is on. It's when he's in control with little to fear that he tends to fight on cruise control - best examples vs Francis and Arias.

orbtastic wrote:Remember Danny Williams chasing him round at the press conference and Audley hiding behind a desk?.

I also remember Lennox Lewis looking intimidated and very uncomfortable when Rahman roughhoused him and pushed him through a table during a TV interview before their rematch.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

robpalmer135 wrote: Lets not forget Danny Williams got that fight at a weeks notice.

Let's not forget Williams was already six weeks into training for Scott Gammer and had dropped a stone and a half from his previous fight.

I know it was still far from perfect prep for him, but let's not perpetrate the myth that he was he was completely unprepared. Even Danny himself said he had already been well into training when he got the call.

Danny ALWAYS says that.

Danny may have been lighter, but he looked in pretty crap condition on the night, and fought like an asthamtic sloth with an inner ear problem.

True, he still didn't look in great shape, but I think he still fought OK. He came to win, was aggressive, etc. In truth, despite the rematch being so hastily arranged, BOTH men fought better than in their first contest.

As for Danny ALWAYS saying stuff like that, I suppose you're right - however it is telling that he didn't use any excuses after the fight, even when he had several ready-made ones available to him.

oliverfennell wrote:

orbtastic wrote:You're right in that he put in some effort in the 10th (last?) round against Guinn but that was after 9 miserable rounds where he barely threw a punch and he knew he was losing. The same again in that awful fight with Williams where he threw caution to the wind slightly after being knocked down but it was fleeting. The same could be said with the Sprott fight where he was a mile behind on points and literally needed a knockout to win.

You just underlined my point - that, contrary to popular belief, he actually fights better when the pressure is on. It's when he's in control with little to fear that he tends to fight on cruise control - best examples vs Francis and Arias.

Or Matthew Ellis?

``It is a real shame because it was a good fight and Audley did well to turn it round in the second round. But that will be overshadowed.''

It's about levels. Guys like that should not be troubling him. He should not be coming from behind against Sprott.

oliverfennell wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Remember Danny Williams chasing him round at the press conference and Audley hiding behind a desk?.

I also remember Lennox Lewis looking intimidated and very uncomfortable when Rahman roughhoused him and pushed him through a table during a TV interview before their rematch.

That was staged!

He didn't look bothered when Tyson bit his ankle? In fact he threw the first punch.

orbtastic wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

orbtastic wrote:You're right in that he put in some effort in the 10th (last?) round against Guinn but that was after 9 miserable rounds where he barely threw a punch and he knew he was losing. The same again in that awful fight with Williams where he threw caution to the wind slightly after being knocked down but it was fleeting. The same could be said with the Sprott fight where he was a mile behind on points and literally needed a knockout to win.

You just underlined my point - that, contrary to popular belief, he actually fights better when the pressure is on. It's when he's in control with little to fear that he tends to fight on cruise control - best examples vs Francis and Arias.

Or Matthew Ellis?

``It is a real shame because it was a good fight and Audley did well to turn it round in the second round. But that will be overshadowed.''

It's about levels. Guys like that should not be troubling him. He should not be coming from behind against Sprott.

Agreed. I'm not making a case for a Harrison win vs Haye, but I do believe it's a misconception that aggression from an opponent turns him timid. Ellis is another case in point - true, Ellis shouldn't have troubled him, but again, when he did so, it woke Harrison up.

orbtastic wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Remember Danny Williams chasing him round at the press conference and Audley hiding behind a desk?.

I also remember Lennox Lewis looking intimidated and very uncomfortable when Rahman roughhoused him and pushed him through a table during a TV interview before their rematch.

That was staged!

He didn't look bothered when Tyson bit his ankle? In fact he threw the first punch.

With pre-fight brawls, you always wonder if they were staged or not. I guess nobody knows for sure (although the Tyson-Lewis one appeared legit). But if the Rahman-Lewis one was staged, who's to say the Williams-Harrison one wasn't? Especially as that fight needed some hype behind it, considering what happened the first time they met.

I think it could be interesting for a few rounds. I want to see how Haye does against someone much taller, who can jab and throw it quickly. Ruiz, for all his talents, it not a jabber but his jab caused Haye some problems and Ruiz came forward in lines dragging his back leg behind him like Frankenstein's monster. Haye just kept going back onto the ropes, going straight back.

It's a falsehood to say well Sprott knocked him cold in 3 rounds and haye hits harder so he will knock him out in 2 rounds but Haye is a fast starter and does hit hard but I don't think Aud is going to be obliging and stick his chin out for a free shot. I think it'll go a couple of rounds but I'm confident Haye will stop him.

Will Haye go to the body? Will he get cut? Will his famed stamina fail him if the fight goes late and he's put a lot in early? Will Audley go all negatron? Who will have the biggest post-fight excuses? Will the atmosphere at the MEN be one of the best since probably Hatton/Kostya?

orbtastic wrote:Will the atmosphere at the MEN be one of the best since probably Hatton/Kostya?

ha, you know i have no real interest in the fight but the atmosphere will be raucous I am sure, good shout. Maff and Jo were going to go but Jo over-ruled him, boxing purist that she is

Counter-puncher wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Will the atmosphere at the MEN be one of the best since probably Hatton/Kostya?

ha, you know i have no real interest in the fight but the atmosphere will be raucous I am sure, good shout. Maff and Jo were going to go but Jo over-ruled him, boxing purist that she is

heh. the ruiz fight was actually a pretty good atmosphere, the best I've experienced in a large arena for some years.

oliverfennell wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

oliverfennell wrote: Let's not forget Williams was already six weeks into training for Scott Gammer and had dropped a stone and a half from his previous fight.

I know it was still far from perfect prep for him, but let's not perpetrate the myth that he was he was completely unprepared. Even Danny himself said he had already been well into training when he got the call.

Danny ALWAYS says that.

Danny may have been lighter, but he looked in pretty crap condition on the night, and fought like an asthamtic sloth with an inner ear problem.

True, he still didn't look in great shape, but I think he still fought OK. He came to win, was aggressive, etc. In truth, despite the rematch being so hastily arranged, BOTH men fought better than in their first contest.

As for Danny ALWAYS saying stuff like that, I suppose you're right - however it is telling that he didn't use any excuses after the fight, even when he had several ready-made ones available to him.

Danny looked beaten before the instructions before the bell. He was a sorry sight. Sat slumped on his stool with a blank expression on his face. He was every inch the fighter who doesn't want to be there.

I remember it differently - My mind may be confusing two different set of events but I remember some minor ruckus which then ended in Audley moving from one room to another and looking quite happy to be behind a desk (or rather, having a desk between them).

I've not seen it since it was on TV, have no idea which fight it was or what TV station it was on.