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jamesmcdonnell wrote:Actually all the consistencies that are highlighted in the documentary have been widely refuted by various experts on these matters. Of course, you can always conclude that they are in the pay of sinister forces if you wish.

One thing which does stand out massively is that the Americans had been well and truly warned that there was a major chance of such an event occuring and did nothing about it.

I think that it is quite possioble the US government were quite happy for a few thousand innocent civilians to perish so that they could go ahead and invade iraq and grab the oil. They had been wanting to do sso for some time, or at least, bush and rumsfeld wanted to, as well as their advisors.

It is clear that many thousands more innocent iraqi civilians have perished duriong the war as well as many more who were knowingly tortured by Iraqi military and police, under the gaze of the Amercians.

My problem is that it is wrong to harangue the soliders who served. They are not politicians, they are paid to carry out the will of the people, and its is not their fault if the government do not carry out that will, as was the case here.

I agree with what your saying hear but if your againts something and dont agree with it would you go ahead and do it. Soldiers have been known to not go through with action they dont agree with even if their punished for it. There is footage of US Soldiers refusing to go back after what they have seen in Iraq and publicly thrown their medals away

TheCobra wrote:Oh dear this thread has gone off at a tangent and the 9/11 conspiracy weirdos are here. Aaaargh!

Do people really think that if America had wanted to invade Iraq they wouldn't have just done it. No wait, I'm sure they thought it would be better to commit the worst atrocity in recent history against themselves and their people, thus justifying them going into Iraq. What utter utter bullshit.

As for Anthony Small, he's probably in training camp, muslim extremist training camp that is.

Can see your another spoon fed puppet fed by the government run media

DEKKER87 wrote: No he wouldn’t….see those god hates fags loons for proof of that.

What on earth are you talking about?

We have no legal right to free speech in this country…it’s a fallacy.

We have political free speech in this country - this is what I am talking about - we are not talking about
slander, racist or threatening speech - but I thought I needn't have to point this out.

And as ya man has pointed out – smalls mob want to curtail peoples civils rights in any case.

Does he? I think he was protesting about the soldiers returning from Iraq about them being murderers of unarmed
civiilians including children. Thats what we are talking about aren't we?

Free speech has it’s limits in any case….would you support the right of nonces to write stories promoting their preferences? Would you be happy for that to be legal?

Don't be stupid! Dekker87 - is the '87' in reference to your IQ?

Small is a traitor and should be treated as such.

How would you treat Small then?

During ww2 we locked up nazi sympathisers…why aren’t we doin the same to Islamists?

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What is an 'islamist' ? I wouldn't cry about any extremist getting deported out of here but for a lot of people - the bigots amongst the great and the good - an islamist is someone who goes to a mosque! A lot of this is a cloak to hide racism.

slapbangwhallop wrote:[I'll tell you what I believe in.

I believe in my right to come here and talk boxing without having the read half baked bar-stool politics permiate the forum.

There is a time and a place for it - this is neither.

Oooooooooh the irony! This poster of all people posting this!

I'll be here to remind you of your words the next time you do exactly that Leonard!

Des1 wrote:

TheCobra wrote:Oh dear this thread has gone off at a tangent and the 9/11 conspiracy weirdos are here. Aaaargh!

Do people really think that if America had wanted to invade Iraq they wouldn't have just done it. No wait, I'm sure they thought it would be better to commit the worst atrocity in recent history against themselves and their people, thus justifying them going into Iraq. What utter utter bullshit.

As for Anthony Small, he's probably in training camp, muslim extremist training camp that is.

Can see your another spoon fed puppet fed by the government run media

Yep cos everyone who doesn't believe outrageous conspiracy theories is automatically a spoon-fed puppet. I do believe that the government controls a lot of the media, of course they do, but people like you WANT to believe that everything is a conspiracy. I guess it makes your life more interesting maybe.

Des1 wrote:

SweetLikeSugar wrote:

Des1 wrote: Yeah its sick f*cking sick when certain soldiers have abused their position and beat and killed innocents infront of their children.

That's a ridiculous point.

A ridiculous point is it? Who to, those it doesn't effect?

No, it's ridiculous to say that because a minority of troops act in a certain way, it's ok for Islamic exremists to turn up and shout such bile at EVERY funeral/rememberence service of those who died in combat.

You obviously aren't capable of having a decent debate about the subject, so I shall not be returning to this thread. See ya.

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

DEKKER87 wrote: No he wouldn’t….see those god hates fags loons for proof of that.

What on earth are you talking about?

We have no legal right to free speech in this country…it’s a fallacy.

We have political free speech in this country - this is what I am talking about - we are not talking about
slander, racist or threatening speech - but I thought I needn't have to point this out.

And as ya man has pointed out – smalls mob want to curtail peoples civils rights in any case.

Does he? I think he was protesting about the soldiers returning from Iraq about them being murderers of unarmed
civiilians including children. Thats what we are talking about aren't we?

Free speech has it’s limits in any case….would you support the right of nonces to write stories promoting their preferences? Would you be happy for that to be legal?

Don't be stupid! Dekker87 - is the '87' in reference to your IQ?

Small is a traitor and should be treated as such.

How would you treat Small then?

During ww2 we locked up nazi sympathisers…why aren’t we doin the same to Islamists?

What is an 'islamist' ? I wouldn't cry about any extremist getting deported out of here but for a lot of people - the bigots amongst the great and the good - an islamist is someone who goes to a mosque! A lot of this is a cloak to hide racism.[/quote]

So those that used to scream & shout about the Nazi sympathizers, are they racist? Or does racism only come into it when the the person screaming is white, and the other group has a different skin color?

I think Des1 is a conspiracy.........

I'm sure if Anthony Small or whatever he wants to call himself nowdays reads this he will be more than happy with all the attention he is getting.

The only thing I will say on this matter is if the US allowed such an awful thing to happen such as 9/11 then does that mean that every government has a helping hand in every major terrorist attack that happens? Did London, Madrid, Belfast, Lochabie etc all happen becuase the ruling government wanted it to happen? No get real. These people who do these attacks are extremists of whatever they believe in. That is not the government or media telling me to say this it is just the way I feel and probably more truth than all of these conspricy's.

On the point whether it's wrong or right to do what Small did during that parade I think it was wrong because of the manner that he did it and also the fact that most soilders are not killers let alone child killers. Most of the soliders that end up killing do so becuase they have chose a dangerous job that requires them to defend their country and they find theirselves in situations where they have no choice. If during that process they accidently kill a child this doesn't mean that they are evil men intent on killing children, same thing as if a boxer accidently kills another boxer during a boxing match, that man would not be seen as a murderer.

Small is being a hyprocrite by saying that they are child killers as well as the people that he follows are people who have mercfully blow up buildings and methods of transport with no care that they might and probably will kill children.

carlbcfc wrote: So those that used to scream & shout about the Nazi sympathizers, are they racist? Or does racism only come into it when the the person screaming is white, and the other group has a different skin color?

There is a big difference between the two isn't there? I don't think people who scream and shout about 'nazi sympathisers' are racist as most people who are into anti-nazi-ism are white themselves (In my experience). Secondly, there are a lot of people in this country who see even the design of a mosque and them being built in the UK as an affront to their 'way of life', just like their complaints about schools celebrating ramadan, burkhas, headresses and whatnot and halal meat being served without prior warning. (that was the latest whinge before I headed back to China)

TheCobra wrote:

Des1 wrote:

TheCobra wrote:Oh dear this thread has gone off at a tangent and the 9/11 conspiracy weirdos are here. Aaaargh!

Do people really think that if America had wanted to invade Iraq they wouldn't have just done it. No wait, I'm sure they thought it would be better to commit the worst atrocity in recent history against themselves and their people, thus justifying them going into Iraq. What utter utter bullshit.

As for Anthony Small, he's probably in training camp, muslim extremist training camp that is.

Can see your another spoon fed puppet fed by the government run media

Yep cos everyone who doesn't believe outrageous conspiracy theories is automatically a spoon-fed puppet. I do believe that the government controls a lot of the media, of course they do, but people like you WANT to believe that everything is a conspiracy. I guess it makes your life more interesting maybe.

But I never said EVERYTHING was a conspiracy...Did I?

sg1985 wrote:

TheCobra wrote:

Des1 wrote: Can see your another spoon fed puppet fed by the government run media

Yep cos everyone who doesn't believe outrageous conspiracy theories is automatically a spoon-fed puppet. I do believe that the government controls a lot of the media, of course they do, but people like you WANT to believe that everything is a conspiracy. I guess it makes your life more interesting maybe.

This is the only response you ever get if you challenge a conspiracy believer on anything, they don't come back with evidence or rational discussion to attempt to change your mind, they call you brainwashed, a government controlled sheep etc it's a joke.

So what are you then when you choose to be blinded? Oh there is loads of evidence regarding 9/11 etc, loads of evidence of Soldiers mis treating civilians and innocents, those like you just turn a blind eye, dont want to hear or see it

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

carlbcfc wrote: So those that used to scream & shout about the Nazi sympathizers, are they racist? Or does racism only come into it when the the person screaming is white, and the other group has a different skin color?

There is a big difference between the two isn't there? I don't think people who scream and shout about 'nazi sympathisers' are racist as most people who are into anti-nazi-ism are white themselves (In my experience). Secondly, there are a lot of people in this country who see even the design of a mosque and them being built in the UK as an affront to their 'way of life', just like their complaints about schools celebrating ramadan, burkhas, headresses and whatnot and halal meat being served without prior warning. (that was the latest whinge before I headed back to China)

I've never got this, if you had halal meat it's not as if you'd notice or care really, I know I don't, it's something to do with the way it's killed I think, but nobody cares if it tastes nice do they.

Des1 wrote:

sg1985 wrote:

TheCobra wrote: Yep cos everyone who doesn't believe outrageous conspiracy theories is automatically a spoon-fed puppet. I do believe that the government controls a lot of the media, of course they do, but people like you WANT to believe that everything is a conspiracy. I guess it makes your life more interesting maybe.

This is the only response you ever get if you challenge a conspiracy believer on anything, they don't come back with evidence or rational discussion to attempt to change your mind, they call you brainwashed, a government controlled sheep etc it's a joke.

So what are you then when you choose to be blinded? Oh there is loads of evidence regarding 9/11 etc, loads of evidence of Soldiers mis treating civilians and innocents, those like you just turn a blind eye, dont want to hear or see it

so am i an evil having been in the army and been involved in invasions? i never cared for the politics or the rights and wrongs because at the end of the day it's a job, all that mattered to me was the money really, then when i knew i could make more elsewhere i left and went elsewhere.

Guys you are all wrong.

The flying spaghetti monster is responsible for all the "terrorist attacks" by manipulating planes, trains and automobiles with his noodly appendage. It's all done in revenge for people believing in false prophets instead of the one true god that is the flying spaghetti monster.

He also is the power behind Audleys recent revival, if you look closely you will see that Audleys left hand doesn't even connect with Sprotts chin. Look at Sprotts feet, he was tripped by the noodly appendage!