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elmersalsa wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
If you must carry on this inane argument, and I have plenty of them myself, can you just stick with it and get it over with? Why bring it back up every 6 days? The thread is long ruined. Finish what it is you need to do and let it die.

This last page does not even rank in my personal top 100 BOTP pages.

That's a gem

What insane argument? I have seen better body shots than that crap. I will tell you what is a real body shot:
The belly shot that the great Jim Jeffries got against the great Bob Fitzsimmons...That is a body shot
The body shots that the great Joe Frazier gave the great Muhammad Ali those were body shots.

Now, the body tap to DLH by Hopkins?

What are you quoting me for? I didn't say it, Saad did --- & he said inane, not insane.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:
That's a gem

What insane argument? I have seen better body shots than that crap. I will tell you what is a real body shot:
The belly shot that the great Jim Jeffries got against the great Bob Fitzsimmons...That is a body shot
The body shots that the great Joe Frazier gave the great Muhammad Ali those were body shots.

Now, the body tap to DLH by Hopkins?

What are you quoting me for? I didn't say it, Saad did --- & he said inane, not insane.

Nothing against you, GNI

Neighbours, everybody needs good neighbours.

lets call it a thread.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:This last page does not even rank in my personal top 100 BOTP pages.

A lot of DLH's wins are particularly impressive when you compare them to how others did against the same guy. Oscar hammered Gatti better than Mayweather, outboxed Vargas more conclusively than Trinidad, and blew away Mayorga with ease compared with the greater trouble he caused Tito, Mosley, and Cotto, not to mention Spinks and Forrest.

Wow, no offense Diamond but that post is absurd. Every point in it.

He's right about Mayorga. De La Hoya did him in easier than any of those men listed, but I wouldn't personally say De La Hoya defeated Gatti & Vargas more conclusively than Mayweather & Trinidad did respectively.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:He's right about Mayorga. De La Hoya did him in easier than any of those men listed, but I wouldn't personally say De La Hoya defeated Gatti & Vargas more conclusively than Mayweather & Trinidad did respectively.

Gatti never hit Mayweather, he landed a few on Oscar. Vargas was competitive with both of them. The absurdity was how even all of those performances were.

Tito had no trouble with Ricardo, unless his hands were hurting. That's one of those fights, like Hopkins/Tito, that the atmosphere has people thinking it was a close fight. That was a hideous beat down. It took a couple more rounds because Mayorga hadn't been turned out yet and may have actually trained.

I think De La Hoya did it easier than Trinidad with Mayorga, though I would say Trinidad's victory over Vargas was more conclusive in turn (El Feroz not known to be juicing against Tito, though). I wouldn't say Mayorga was all that competitive with Trinidad, no, but De La Hoya had him on his ass within a minute & controlled every step from there on out.

Even if you disagree with that, it's still pretty obvious De La Hoya unquestionably beat him easier than Cotto, Mosley, Spinks & Forrest (who couldn't beat him at all), salvaging some of WEAPON's point.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I think De La Hoya did it easier than Trinidad with Mayorga, though I would say Trinidad's victory over Vargas was more conclusive in turn (El Feroz not known to be juicing against Tito, though). I wouldn't say Mayorga was all that competitive with Trinidad, no, but De La Hoya had him on his ass within a minute & controlled every step from there on out.

Even if you disagree with that, it's still pretty obvious De La Hoya unquestionably beat him easier than Cotto, Mosley, Spinks & Forrest (who couldn't beat him at all), salvaging some of WEAPON's point.

Weapon's point was as poor of one as I have ever read from someone whose opinion I respect. But obviously Cotto, Mosley, Spinks and Vernon had more trouble than the other two with mayorga. Not that anyone needs that pointed out.

I really wouldn't get into arguing who had an easier time in any of those fights. Mayweather was the most dominant performance mentioned.

Tito and Mayweather come close with the Gatti and Mayorga fights, but I still think Oscar performed better than both. Oscar went head-up with Gatti and smashed him, andheoutright dominated Mayorga. Tito had to smash Vargas' nuts in because Fernando refused to stay on the canvas and rocked him repeatedly. Oscar got wobbled a little early on but began boxing and took him apart.

I didn't mean to be overstated in what I said about Oscar doing better. Sure, he wasn't head&shoulders above all of those performances, but he was for the most part.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Tito and Mayweather come close with the Gatti and Mayorga fights, but I still think Oscar performed better than both. Oscar went head-up with Gatti and smashed him, andheoutright dominated Mayorga. Tito had to smash Vargas' nuts in because Fernando refused to stay on the canvas and rocked him repeatedly. Oscar got wobbled a little early on but began boxing and took him apart.

I didn't mean to be overstated in what I said about Oscar doing better. Sure, he wasn't head&shoulders above all of those performances, but he was for the most part.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:Tito and Mayweather come close with the Gatti and Mayorga fights, but I still think Oscar performed better than both. Oscar went head-up with Gatti and smashed him, andheoutright dominated Mayorga. Tito had to smash Vargas' nuts in because Fernando refused to stay on the canvas and rocked him repeatedly. Oscar got wobbled a little early on but began boxing and took him apart.

I didn't mean to be overstated in what I said about Oscar doing better. Sure, he wasn't head&shoulders above all of those performances, but he was for the most part.

He wasn't head and shoulders better, but he was? What the hell are you talking about?

Gatti never hit mayweather. Not once. He was also terrified entering the ring. That one is impossible to beat him any worse than Floyd did.

Not only did Vargas rock Oscar early but he came on in the 8th and 9th as well. Oscar was hurt more against Fernando than Tito ever was. Rocked repeatedly?

You have to be doing this intentionally. If not, please stop. The defense of the statement was more embarrassing to read than the initial statement itself. I shudder to think what else you have in store. Terrible stuff.

Vargas never rocked De La Hoya. When? When he nearly bulled him through the ropes? He didn't land anything which hurt De La Hoya. Not one shot. However, the fight was quite close at the time of the stoppage, even if De La Hoya saw off the last big hurrah from Vargas in the 9th (Vargas shot his final load in that round).

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Vargas never rocked De La Hoya. When? When he nearly bulled him through the ropes? He didn't land anything which hurt De La Hoya. Not one shot. However, the fight was quite close at the time of the stoppage, even if De La Hoya saw off the last big hurrah from Vargas in the 9th (Vargas shot his final load in that round).

He hurt him at the end of the first round. I haven't watched it in a while, but I thought he had Oscar in some trouble either in the 9th or early in the 10th as well. I didn't say he was ready to go, just that he was more hurt than Trinidad ever was. Granted, Tito went down but he didn't look in any serious trouble to me. He definitely wasn't repeatedly rocked.

man wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:Gets dropped like a cabaret girl by a "body shot" of the great Bernard Hopkins? A body shot that was not even a real body shot?

first time i hear someone assuming that being dropped
by a "body shot" means you are a "cabaret girl". and as
well first time i hear someone say bernard's "was not even
a real body shot". hard to take you serious when you write
things like that.

Hopkins got De La Hoya with a left hook to the liver, a legal (and devastating) punch. Oscar looked out of condition in that fight, but that was not Bernard's fault.