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righthook wrote: dont go making excuses already curtis, ok hes coming in 3 pound over what was agreed, but its 3 pound for god sake. it might make a slight difference

He's not making excuses, he's just pointing out that they're stacking it in Gavin's favour even more, by breaking a contractual agreement. Bollocks does it not make a difference, that's why we have weight divisions isn't it.

I like Curtis.

hahaha maybe your the idiot to think you can make 144lb in 10 weeks fatty lol,its bad though isnt it,curtis has put his body through hell upto now to make the weight and youve just swaned around not giving a sh1t.

This fight is for the WBO Inter-Continental welterweight title. This is Frankie Gavin's division where as Curtis Woodhouse is a light welterweight. The contract was obviously made at 144 already giving Gavin a 4lb advantage, now he's gonna have a 7lb advantage which is huge.

This is persuming Woodhouse is aiming to weigh 140 which I guess he is after saying "i was already giving away 4 pounds".

curtis wood wrote:im not making any excuses at all im in tip top shape and ready to go im just letting you all know why we wont be 10st 4 like the CONTRACT says

Disgusting treatment by Gavin here.
The guy"s obviously very talented but definitely a cocky prrima-donna.
To then come on here virtually mocking Curtis rather than apologising for his lack of professionalism is not very classy at all.

I really like Gavin but he is coming across poorly here. His 10st days are gone, unfortunately. I have nothing but respect for Curtis, to give up what he did to start boxing from scratch is remarkable. My pal also used to run a pub in Driffeild (The Railway, Curtis), and i met him in The Silver Cod once. Not a bad bloke. On the other hand my pal was the first Englishman to share a pro rig with Frankie and said he is a lovely fella, so my loyalties are divided. For the guy who asked earlier, Righthook is a good pal of Tony Bellew, a close friend of Frankies.

I know now I have grown it's down to that an I was slow down to my chest infection I weren't slow against lomax woodhouse has fought at nearly 11 st i said when first got told 10.4 what's point when it's not title weight but I feel good I am sure will look good next sat but the wins the most important thing Curtis has been paid more an gets more if wins it has added spice to fight were see on fight night who the best man is

why are people saying gavin's 10st days are gone? he has only made one fight at 10st in his pro career,and to say you have grown frankie is a piss poor excuse if you knew you couldnt make 144 you would of said at the beginning and not signed a contract. frankie your a very talented boxer everyone on here knows that,why not come on here and say sorry to curtis for not making the weight, be a gent and people will respect you alot more than they do now. like curtis said may the best man win

fasteddie wrote:why are people saying gavin's 10st days are gone? he has only made one fight at 10st in his pro career,and to say you have grown frankie is a piss poor excuse if you knew you couldnt make 144 you would of said at the beginning and not signed a contract. frankie your a very talented boxer everyone on here knows that,why not come on here and say sorry to curtis for not making the weight, be a gent and people will respect you alot more than they do now. like curtis said may the best man win

I never signed any contract an he is getting well compensated I got offered cook at 10st10 I took it but the board still said no

righthook wrote:

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

righthook wrote: dont go making excuses already curtis, ok hes coming in 3 pound over what was agreed, but its 3 pound for god sake. it might make a slight difference if it goes the whole 12 and hes leaning on you all through the fight but lets be honest here mate. you wont lay a glove on him you wont win a single round and youl be made to look like a novice.

so to sum up if you go the full 12 rounds and frankie wins by a point or 2 then i will come back on here and say what a close fight that was, maybe if you would have fought 3 pound lighter you may have got it, but iv got a feeling il be coming on here saying i hate to say i told you so but that was a case of boy v man, lets see if im right

what a load of old bollox

the man's starved himself to make a contracted weight of 4 lbs over his fight weight (fair do's if that was necessary to make the match-up, a little give and take etc) but then to get told after a couple of months at 5 minutes notice to concede 3 more is HIGHLY unprofessional.
"3 lbs" don't make any difference in boxing? what a load of tosh. Why not do away with scales altogether in that case and just throw two lads in a ring that look similar sized.

It's completely unsurprising that somebody that spouted the above should then go on to say..."you're gonna get slapped around the ring like a boy....."

almost as much fcking DRIVEL as what Jim McDonnell and that fat, puffy, pale faced old fart were coming out with in Mr Groves' direction.

do me a favor mate dont talk to me as tho you know more about the sport than me.

i know all about making weight, and the implications of it. my point if you read it properly (that is if you can read) is if a fighter is giving away 3 pound, it has nothing to do with his boxing skill/ability. if like i said earlier the fight is close then il hold my hand up and say maybe the weight did play a factor, but this isnt going to be close in the slightest. woodhouse wont get near him. the stats will back my theory up.

as for the weight, yes its unprofessional, but its not like there asking him to lose another 3 pound, and hes killing himself to do it. theres no point crying over it as tho its made a world of difference, its a slight inconvenience, but imo it will have absolutely no relevance on the fight, there so far apart in talent weight will not come into play

Well if it doesn't make any difference why doesn't Gavin just do the weight as contracted? He and those that advice and surround him have shown a real disrespect to Curtis here. I've never met Gavin personally but he seems a bit full of himself and this is highly, highly unprofessional.

I'd also add that looking at his body shape and viewing his lack of power at welterweight, i would seriously question how far Gavin can go at 10'7.

How do others rate his prospects at welter?

curtis wood wrote:i wont use the weight as any sort of excuse i had 2 options fight or not i choose to fight, im confident i can beat him at 140 or 147 the point is the CONTRACT says 144 he should be made to make it just like i was willing to do because hes the golden boy im expected to just accept it, what do you think would happen if i rang allegedly and said frank i cant do 144 can you change it to 147? dont forget im promoted by him aswel he would tell me make the weight or jog on i get told its 147 or we will bring somebody else in like it or lump it ive been away from my family for 8 weeks getting ready for this of course im gunna take the fight but to answer your question NO EXCUSES im ready thats all i have to say on the matter its over i agreed to the extra weight if i thought it would dampen my chances of winning i would of turned it down i wont be on the forum leading up to the fight hope you all enjoy the fight may the best man win

Totally agree wth the point you make, interesting to hear it said.

easy fight this for gavin.....but after how his trainer acted at the press conference and now his weight issues his team look like amateurs

curtis wood wrote:i wont use the weight as any sort of excuse i had 2 options fight or not i choose to fight, im confident i can beat him at 140 or 147 the point is the CONTRACT says 144 he should be made to make it just like i was willing to do because hes the golden boy im expected to just accept it, what do you think would happen if i rang allegedly and said frank i cant do 144 can you change it to 147? dont forget im promoted by him aswel he would tell me make the weight or jog on i get told its 147 or we will bring somebody else in like it or lump it ive been away from my family for 8 weeks getting ready for this of course im gunna take the fight but to answer your question NO EXCUSES im ready thats all i have to say on the matter its over i agreed to the extra weight if i thought it would dampen my chances of winning i would of turned it down i wont be on the forum leading up to the fight hope you all enjoy the fight may the best man win

That is a shitty and disrespectful attitude to have and show to anyone.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

righthook wrote:

curtis wood wrote:dont know what hes weighing and i dont care but im a light welter i said i would go to 10st 4 for the fight i was already giving away 4 pounds now they want another 3 off me im just waiting for the call to ask if ill wear a blindfold they can try and stack the fight in his favour as much as they like but its a piss take and unprofessional ive come down from 12st 2 and moved away from home to train and DIET for 8 weeks so i would come in at the weight WE AGREED ON

dont go making excuses already curtis, ok hes coming in 3 pound over what was agreed, but its 3 pound for god sake. it might make a slight difference if it goes the whole 12 and hes leaning on you all through the fight but lets be honest here mate. you wont lay a glove on him you wont win a single round and youl be made to look like a novice.

so to sum up if you go the full 12 rounds and frankie wins by a point or 2 then i will come back on here and say what a close fight that was, maybe if you would have fought 3 pound lighter you may have got it, but iv got a feeling il be coming on here saying i hate to say i told you so but that was a case of boy v man, lets see if im right

what a load of old bollox

the man's starved himself to make a contracted weight of 4 lbs over his fight weight (fair do's if that was necessary to make the match-up, a little give and take etc) but then to get told after a couple of months at 5 minutes notice to concede 3 more is HIGHLY unprofessional.
"3 lbs" don't make any difference in boxing? what a load of tosh. Why not do away with scales altogether in that case and just throw two lads in a ring that look similar sized.

It's completely unsurprising that somebody that spouted the above should then go on to say..."you're gonna get slapped around the ring like a boy....."

almost as much fcking DRIVEL as what Jim McDonnell and that fat, puffy, pale faced old fart were coming out with in Mr Groves' direction.

Well said! Anyone who thinks a few pounds don't make a difference knows f**k all about boxing. Some fighters lose weight and feel fine others lose 1 pound and feel terrible. Totaly unprofessional but thats boxing and what happens when you get a prospect fighting. Everything is done in their favour.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

righthook wrote:

curtis wood wrote:dont know what hes weighing and i dont care but im a light welter i said i would go to 10st 4 for the fight i was already giving away 4 pounds now they want another 3 off me im just waiting for the call to ask if ill wear a blindfold they can try and stack the fight in his favour as much as they like but its a piss take and unprofessional ive come down from 12st 2 and moved away from home to train and DIET for 8 weeks so i would come in at the weight WE AGREED ON

dont go making excuses already curtis, ok hes coming in 3 pound over what was agreed, but its 3 pound for god sake. it might make a slight difference if it goes the whole 12 and hes leaning on you all through the fight but lets be honest here mate. you wont lay a glove on him you wont win a single round and youl be made to look like a novice.

so to sum up if you go the full 12 rounds and frankie wins by a point or 2 then i will come back on here and say what a close fight that was, maybe if you would have fought 3 pound lighter you may have got it, but iv got a feeling il be coming on here saying i hate to say i told you so but that was a case of boy v man, lets see if im right

what a load of old bollox

the man's starved himself to make a contracted weight of 4 lbs over his fight weight (fair do's if that was necessary to make the match-up, a little give and take etc) but then to get told after a couple of months at 5 minutes notice to concede 3 more is HIGHLY unprofessional.
"3 lbs" don't make any difference in boxing? what a load of tosh. Why not do away with scales altogether in that case and just throw two lads in a ring that look similar sized.

It's completely unsurprising that somebody that spouted the above should then go on to say..."you're gonna get slapped around the ring like a boy....."

almost as much fcking DRIVEL as what Jim McDonnell and that fat, puffy, pale faced old fart were coming out with in Mr Groves' direction.

Who?

Hows Gavins weight?

Gavin still making friends I see mate. Still hope you get KO'd, if the fight got made at 10'4 then that is what you should come in at.

I also agree that looking at Gavin's body shape and lack of power at Light Welter, I don't see him going too far past British/Euro level at Welter tbh.

I would love to see Curtis do this, but I do think it's too big an ask. This line made me laugh from Gavin the prick:

"an I am giving u more money an a 2 an half grand bonus if u win which u wont"

Didn't know this fight was being promoted by Frankie Gavin promotions? Didn't know it was YOUR money to give out?

Frankie, you are up your own arse, I think it's great when certain boxers come on here if they are eloquent and down to earth. I don't think you are doing yourself any favours in what you write on this forum. It's always "money this, money that, I'm the best thing since sliced bread but can't even make a weight", get a grip mate.

I agree.

I like Frankie, but some of the stuff he comes out with about money is embarrassing.

With Allegedly's latest batch of former amateur stars there does seem to be an irritating arrogance about them, they frequently disrespect opponents, talk about money and act as if their Bertie Big Bollocks when in truth they are no different to anybody else.

I don't know, is that how some people are these days? I'm the same age as Gavin but don't ever talk about money in front of my mates, and wouldn't feel comfortable talking about it to strangers if I'm honest, the only person who knows what I earn is my mother and now ex-girlfriend.

Maybe a loss would do Gavin a favour?

TheCobra wrote:Gavin still making friends I see mate. Still hope you get KO'd, if the fight got made at 10'4 then that is what you should come in at.

I also agree that looking at Gavin's body shape and lack of power at Light Welter, I don't see him going too far past British/Euro level at Welter tbh.

I would love to see Curtis do this, but I do think it's too big an ask. This line made me laugh from Gavin the prick:

"an I am giving u more money an a 2 an half grand bonus if u win which u wont"

Didn't know this fight was being promoted by Frankie Gavin promotions? Didn't know it was YOUR money to give out?
Frankie, you are up your own arse, I think it's great when certain boxers come on here if they are eloquent and down to earth. I don't think you are doing yourself any favours in
what you write on this forum. It's always "money this, money that, I'm the best thing since sliced bread but can't even make a weight", get a grip mate.

It is my money it has all come out my purse it was me who offered it I never got asked for money I agree it's wrong an I have grown I ent making myself weak won't be on this now till after the fight

LeedsLad wrote:I agree.

I like Frankie, but some of the stuff he comes out with about money is embarrassing.

With Allegedly's latest batch of former amateur stars there does seem to be an irritating arrogance about them, they frequently disrespect opponents, talk about money and act as if their Bertie Big Bollocks when in truth they are no different to anybody else.

I don't know, is that how some people are these days? I'm the same age as Gavin but don't ever talk about money in front of my mates, and wouldn't feel comfortable talking about it to strangers if I'm honest, the only person who knows what I earn is my mother and now ex-girlfriend.

Maybe a loss would do Gavin a favour?

Yes it is; the young are immersed in a highly glamorised and materialistic culture.

Frankie Gavin has posted loads and for the most comes across as fine. I don't think that Frankie and Curtis will ever get along; they rub each other up the wrong way.

I don't think that the extra weight will make a deal of difference to the result but, on principle; if the bout was made at 144lbs then that should be the weight that is made.

It seems that Frankie is between the light welter and welter limits though that's not any of Curtis' concern and we still need a level playing field.

(I'd put money that Curtis tries far harder than Young Muttley); am looking forward to next Saturday already.

simon fox wrote:
I don't think that the extra weight will make a deal of difference to the result but, on principle; if the bout was made at 144lbs then that should be the weight that is made.

It seems that Frankie is between the light welter and welter limits though that's not any of Curtis' concern and we still need a level playing field.

I agree that the bout should go on at the contracted weight. If Gavin is effectively between weights then he and his management need to make a decision and not change the goal posts.

This is a typical Allegedly trick - he started off by matching his boxer with a light-welter, and making the match at 10-4 (already securing an immediate weight advantage) and then a week before the fight moves the goal posts !

After 8 weeks training what is Woodhouse supposed to do ? - you could argue that he should tell Allegedly that he will only fight at the contracted weight, but in reality we all know that he would lose his purse for Saturday (I am sure an opponent would be found at late notice - for Gavin only, obviously) and do you reckon Allegedly would get Woodhouse many fights in the future ? - not very likely.

The additional few pounds will make a big difference - it would be interesting to see the weights on the night of the fight.

I wish Woodhouse the best of luck. Gavin (despite benefiting from all of the advantages) comes across as a right tit which is a shame.

simon fox wrote:

LeedsLad wrote:I agree.

I like Frankie, but some of the stuff he comes out with about money is embarrassing.

With Allegedly's latest batch of former amateur stars there does seem to be an irritating arrogance about them, they frequently disrespect opponents, talk about money and act as if their Bertie Big Bollocks when in truth they are no different to anybody else.

I don't know, is that how some people are these days? I'm the same age as Gavin but don't ever talk about money in front of my mates, and wouldn't feel comfortable talking about it to strangers if I'm honest, the only person who knows what I earn is my mother and now ex-girlfriend.

Maybe a loss would do Gavin a favour?

Yes it is; the young are immersed in a highly glamorised and materialistic culture.

Frankie Gavin has posted loads and for the most comes across as fine. I don't think that Frankie and Curtis will ever get along; they rub each other up the wrong way.

I don't think that the extra weight will make a deal of difference to the result but, on principle; if the bout was made at 144lbs then that should be the weight that is made.

It seems that Frankie is between the light welter and welter limits though that's not any of Curtis' concern and we still need a level playing field.

(I'd put money that Curtis tries far harder than Young Muttley); am looking forward to next Saturday already.

Yeh I would agree about the materialistic culture thing. I mean when I grew up (I am 30 now!) I remember when 'makes' and 'brands' became dead important, it kicked in big style probably late 80s early 90s when everyone HAD to have certain makes to be cool and it has just spiralled ever since and seems to have come into every part of modern culture. The 'how much have you got', 'how much is it worth' sort of shit. All very immature and I have never really bought into it.

I judge people on whether they are a good person, whether they are grounded and got their head screwed on, couldn't give a shit how much money they have or are earning. Curtis has been a footballer and probably earned more from his footie than Gavin might ever earn from boxing unless he becomes a good world champ, but you don't see him larging it up about the money side of it.

My take is, Curtis comes across just that bit more mature than Gavin, he posts something 'wind-up' style, seeing if Gavin will bite and Gavin can't help himself! Quite amusing to read really.

what time and were is the weigh in getting held?

Frankie...maybe you wont be on this but you will still be reading it wont you?

Why, as someone who has always had a problem weight making (you let GB down remember!!) dont you get a grip of it, if you want to progress in the pro game you have to concentrate very hard on your weight loss/diet/nutrition

Why dont you sort yourself out?

Frankie Gavin wrote:

TheCobra wrote:Gavin still making friends I see mate. Still hope you get KO'd, if the fight got made at 10'4 then that is what you should come in at.

I also agree that looking at Gavin's body shape and lack of power at Light Welter, I don't see him going too far past British/Euro level at Welter tbh.

I would love to see Curtis do this, but I do think it's too big an ask. This line made me laugh from Gavin the prick:

"an I am giving u more money an a 2 an half grand bonus if u win which u wont"

Didn't know this fight was being promoted by Frankie Gavin promotions? Didn't know it was YOUR money to give out?
Frankie, you are up your own arse, I think it's great when certain boxers come on here if they are eloquent and down to earth. I don't think you are doing yourself any favours in
what you write on this forum. It's always "money this, money that, I'm the best thing since sliced bread but can't even make a weight", get a grip mate.

It is my money it has all come out my purse it was me who offered it I never got asked for money I agree it's wrong an I have grown I ent making myself weak won't be on this now till after the fight

you're nearly 27 and you're still growing ?????