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keithmoonhangover wrote: They say that when you assume something, that is makes an ass of u and me and in your case it's true. You are assuming that I don't have a great deal of knowledge about boxing.

I have over 100 hardback books about boxing that start as far back as the bareknuckle days.

I not saying I know more than anyone else, but I know enough.

Next lecture please.

Sorry if you`ve taken offence. :(
Only trying to help you for future debates you may have on here.
And once you`ve got around to reading all those 100 hardback books you have got - hopefully then they will have broadened your knowledge of yesteryears boxers somewhat.

Once again - sorry if I offended.

tonyevs wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: They say that when you assume something, that is makes an ass of u and me and in your case it's true. You are assuming that I don't have a great deal of knowledge about boxing.

I have over 100 hardback books about boxing that start as far back as the bareknuckle days.

I not saying I know more than anyone else, but I know enough.

Next lecture please.

Sorry if you`ve taken offence. :(
Only trying to help you for future debates you may have on here.
And once you`ve got around to reading all those 100 hardback books you have got - hopefully then they will have broadened your knowledge of yesteryears boxers somewhat.

Once again - sorry if I offended.

I've read the booksd mate. No offence taken.

THE MESSIAH wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

THE MESSIAH wrote:
It is the truth. I have no more than that, what more does anyone need?

He defeated the reigning champion in Valuev.

He defeated his #1 and overdue mandatory contender in Ruiz - he HAD to take that fight or he would have been stripped.

He had an easy defence, like most heavyweight's in history have done.

Then he lost to the best heavyweight in the world.

Doesn't sound like a fraud to me.

Valuev in the eyes of most won the fight. But Ruiz was out f the ring for years and fought an 8 rounder asagisnt a journeyman as a warm up, DK Special!

Audley was an interesting fight, but overall it's a poor heavyweight resume .

Actually in most peoples eyes he won! You'd struggle to cound more than a handful of punches valuev landed cleanly so there was no chance of him winning - even in germany!

mkirkhope wrote:

TheCobra wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Never even heard of Stiverne!!! And he has a silver belt!!!

I may not be as well up on the American scene as I used to be, but blimey, they really are giving those things away like christmas cracker toys.

LMAO *imagines finding a WBC silver belt in a xmas cracker. WBC 'SIlver' belt, what on earth is the world coming to.

Is Stiverne not the guy that calls himself B:Ware or something cheesy like that?

Stivern is canadian and a pretty hot prospect, very very heavy handed. I watched his fight against the fella who ended up in prize fighter. Both fighters were Don kings so he chucked them in the ring together to see which one was worth the attention and stivern smashed the other guy up in style. He was quite a fat fella but he's been working well on getting in shape - i'd tip him for being top ten by the end of the year.

Have some proper FIGHTS like he used to have as a cruiserweight, instead of his pussio running safety first fights against super heavyweights. Fight Arreola, Povetkin and Chagaev- heavyweights the same size with decent reps that he can beat. No use saying the winner of Fury-Chisora, as Wlad has his eye on the winner and will be first in the queue, nor Adamek as Vitali is rightfully there first. Have those 3 fights within a 12 month period, win fans back over and then seek a fight with Vitali. Then he can say he fought everyone at heavy and ducked nobody, even if he did get beat along the way. That's legacy saving, because at least he fought the best. You can't argue with that.

That's the only way to get back into contention. But it is fantasy to suggest it because he has been so inactive that he will not have another three fights and then Vitali. He will have one and possibly none. Everyone of us who stuck up for him through thick and thin will have to face it that his heavyweight campaign has been all about making as much dough as possible, let him retire and have his role as 'goon no.3' in Transporter 4. I can see him in Eastenders.

We believed. We got mugged off. Simples.

Just enjoy Carl Froch. He'll maybe lose to Andre Ward, hopefully not. But Ward is going home with a black eye and a week long headache no matter what. And even after that Carl's going to have some quality fights against Kessler, Pascal, Bute, whoever. Help us Carl Froch (and Amir Khan) you're our only hope(s).

clopixolacuphase wrote: Help us Carl Froch (and Amir Khan) you're our only hope(s).

Amen to that

keithmoonhangover wrote:

tonyevs wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: Is it April the 1st?

Ok .. your opinion.

But explain .. if you can??

I love Holyfield, he's one of my favourite fighters of all time, so I'm not hating on him.

Jack Johnson would take him out late in a defensive display.

Jack Dempsey would have dragged him into a tear up and stopped him in an exciting fight

Joe Louis would have beaten him with ease.

Marciano loses to Holyfield

Ali wins a wide decision - if it gets that far.

I've got more if you want it.

HOLYFILED WOULD HAVE BEAT ALI.

PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE ALI WAS ECEB SMALLER THAN HOLTFIELD.

WATCH HOLYFIELD IN HIS PRIME AND YOU WILL SEE TECHNICALLY THE BEST HEAVY OF ALL TIME.

HE HAD EVERY PUNCH DELIVERED EXPERTLY.

THE MESSIAH wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

tonyevs wrote: Ok .. your opinion.

But explain .. if you can??

I love Holyfield, he's one of my favourite fighters of all time, so I'm not hating on him.

Jack Johnson would take him out late in a defensive display.

Jack Dempsey would have dragged him into a tear up and stopped him in an exciting fight

Joe Louis would have beaten him with ease.

Marciano loses to Holyfield

Ali wins a wide decision - if it gets that far.

I've got more if you want it.

HOLYFILED WOULD HAVE BEAT ALI.

PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE ALI WAS ECEB SMALLER THAN HOLTFIELD.

WATCH HOLYFIELD IN HIS PRIME AND YOU WILL SEE TECHNICALLY THE BEST HEAVY OF ALL TIME.

HE HAD EVERY PUNCH DELIVERED EXPERTLY.

He was a superb fighter, but he wouldn't havew landed many punches against a prim Ali.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

THE MESSIAH wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: I love Holyfield, he's one of my favourite fighters of all time, so I'm not hating on him.

Jack Johnson would take him out late in a defensive display.

Jack Dempsey would have dragged him into a tear up and stopped him in an exciting fight

Joe Louis would have beaten him with ease.

Marciano loses to Holyfield

Ali wins a wide decision - if it gets that far.

I've got more if you want it.

HOLYFILED WOULD HAVE BEAT ALI.

PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE ALI WAS ECEB SMALLER THAN HOLTFIELD.

WATCH HOLYFIELD IN HIS PRIME AND YOU WILL SEE TECHNICALLY THE BEST HEAVY OF ALL TIME.

HE HAD EVERY PUNCH DELIVERED EXPERTLY.

He was a superb fighter, but he wouldn't havew landed many punches against a prim Ali.

WOuld have abeen a great fight.

THE MESSIAH wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

THE MESSIAH wrote:
HOLYFILED WOULD HAVE BEAT ALI.

PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE ALI WAS ECEB SMALLER THAN HOLTFIELD.

WATCH HOLYFIELD IN HIS PRIME AND YOU WILL SEE TECHNICALLY THE BEST HEAVY OF ALL TIME.

HE HAD EVERY PUNCH DELIVERED EXPERTLY.

He was a superb fighter, but he wouldn't havew landed many punches against a prim Ali.

WOuld have abeen a great fight.

It would, but Ali would have won.

There are at least 5-6 HWs in the world better than him. He either resigns himself to European level, fights someone washed up like Holyfield or Tua to make some money, or moves down to cruiserweight - where he clearly belongs.

Or retires, which he probably will, I hope.