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Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Wrists wrote:I hope Kell Brook is a world beater I really do.

My issue (if thats the right word) is that for some reason he is seen as some sort of monster when in reality he has done nothing to justify the 'lovin' he gets on here.

If FW had made the match thats just been made he would get slaughtered, the fact that Eddie Hearn has done it seems to result in a different set of rules - anyway thats for another day.

For a start, I don't think many are making him out to be a monster. It's just his army of haters led by Field Marshal Hook and Colonel Wrists jumping on any thread where he appears telling us this

No, if FW had made this match of this kind happen even nine months ago, he would have been applauded as it would have been showing progress. Who did Brook get instead?

I think "haters" is a tad strong....that implies we truly give a shit!

Can't give you Brook boys all your own way, you have to come up for air now and again and take a whiff of reality :)

Wrists wrote:Certainly not a Brook 'hater'. A massive bug bear of mine is when people are lauded when the reality is they've done nowt to deserve it.

And this coming from a f**king Newcastle United fan!

Jon Saxon wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Wrists wrote:I hope Kell Brook is a world beater I really do.

My issue (if thats the right word) is that for some reason he is seen as some sort of monster when in reality he has done nothing to justify the 'lovin' he gets on here.

If FW had made the match thats just been made he would get slaughtered, the fact that Eddie Hearn has done it seems to result in a different set of rules - anyway thats for another day.

For a start, I don't think many are making him out to be a monster. It's just his army of haters led by Field Marshal Hook and Colonel Wrists jumping on any thread where he appears telling us this

No, if FW had made this match of this kind happen even nine months ago, he would have been applauded as it would have been showing progress. Who did Brook get instead?

Hey Ian, are you surprised at my new found restraint?

Aye, keep it up fella.

Wouldn't want you to be getting any more invitations for gym visits

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote: For a start, I don't think many are making him out to be a monster. It's just his army of haters led by Field Marshal Hook and Colonel Wrists jumping on any thread where he appears telling us this

No, if FW had made this match of this kind happen even nine months ago, he would have been applauded as it would have been showing progress. Who did Brook get instead?

Hey Ian, are you surprised at my new found restraint?

Aye, keep it up fella.

Wouldn't want you to be getting any more invitations for gym visits

cunnyfunt

Wrists,
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you seem to be defending his previous Promotor, by saying if he'd arranged this fight, we'd have all been on his case.
Maybe right - maybe wrong.
However, what case is there for that very same Promotor not providing anywhere near this level of opponent, not giving him a chance to build his fan base here in Sheffield, and not allowing him to top a bill ?
I don't think it's a case of us all falling in love with Eddie Hearn but at least he's having a go with a recognised prospect.
To quote you - people should not be lauded if they've done nowt to earn it.

Tommy Gunn13 wrote:

Asterix wrote:Brook's opponent, Jackiewicz, has had 2 razor thin fights against the current Boxrec number 5. Are only the top 4 welterweights World class?

Jackiewicz had his two close fights with Zaveck whos only boxed out of Europe once(a decent win in South Africa)id imagine Berto would beat him quite convincingly.. Yes his win over Bonsu stands out,but i wouldnt say that deserves such a high rating...

Are you a politician? I was hoping for a yes or no answer. I wouldn't disagree with you if you said yes. It's all in the definition. I was just wondering what you thought.

Asterix wrote:

Tommy Gunn13 wrote:

Asterix wrote:Brook's opponent, Jackiewicz, has had 2 razor thin fights against the current Boxrec number 5. Are only the top 4 welterweights World class?

Jackiewicz had his two close fights with Zaveck whos only boxed out of Europe once(a decent win in South Africa)id imagine Berto would beat him quite convincingly.. Yes his win over Bonsu stands out,but i wouldnt say that deserves such a high rating...

Are you a politician? I was hoping for a yes or no answer. I wouldn't disagree with you if you said yes. It's all in the definition. I was just wondering what you thought.

Pollitician your having a laugh,i cant string a sentence together...All im saying if Brook beats this guy he wont go up in my estimation Id like to see him in with a tough Yank like Bailey,id give him more props for beating him than this dude....

Tommy Gunn13 wrote:

Asterix wrote:Are you a politician? I was hoping for a yes or no answer. I wouldn't disagree with you if you said yes. It's all in the definition. I was just wondering what you thought.

Pollitician your having a laugh,i cant string a sentence together...All im saying if Brook beats this guy he wont go up in my estimation Id like to see him in with a tough Yank like Bailey,id give him more props for beating him than this dude....

Yeah, I was having a laugh with the politician quip. It often stands out to me when someone doesn't give a straight answer. I'd say Randall Bailey isn't just tough, he's possibly the most dangerous welterweight out there.

Asterix wrote:

Tommy Gunn13 wrote:

Asterix wrote:Are you a politician? I was hoping for a yes or no answer. I wouldn't disagree with you if you said yes. It's all in the definition. I was just wondering what you thought.

Pollitician your having a laugh,i cant string a sentence together...All im saying if Brook beats this guy he wont go up in my estimation Id like to see him in with a tough Yank like Bailey,id give him more props for beating him than this dude....

Yeah, I was having a laugh with the politician quip. It often stands out to me when someone doesn't give a straight answer. I'd say Randall Bailey isn't just tough, he's possibly the most dangerous welterweight out there.

Dangerous&he will test Brooks chin,hes well above his next opponent in my eyes(what ever the ratings say)once he beat a boxer of that calibre then il take notice....

twenty six wrote:Wrists,
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you seem to be defending his previous Promotor, by saying if he'd arranged this fight, we'd have all been on his case.
Maybe right - maybe wrong.
However, what case is there for that very same Promotor not providing anywhere near this level of opponent, not giving him a chance to build his fan base here in Sheffield, and not allowing him to top a bill ?
I don't think it's a case of us all falling in love with Eddie Hearn but at least he's having a go with a recognised prospect.
To quote you - people should not be lauded if they've done nowt to earn it.

Hallo fella

Not 'defending' his previous promoter as such.

I think its an 'average' fight to be honest, but is a clever piece of matchmaking for which Hearn should be applauded. I dont think FW would have received the same 'applause' is I suppose is what I am saying.

I am a purveyor of fairness!!



PS. Glad you're back on here, good honest debate is always welcome

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Wrists wrote:Certainly not a Brook 'hater'. A massive bug bear of mine is when people are lauded when the reality is they've done nowt to deserve it.

And this coming from a f**king Newcastle United fan!

I cant remember the last time NUFC were 'lauded' Ian.

Captain Hook wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:PS Wesley, nothing wrong with supporting your local guy, all the luck in the world to you and him...but he talks the talk and soon it will be time to walk the walk.

So far it's been a stroll in the sunshine....

That was just the Jennings fight.

You swine :)

....even you don't believe that PS!

You're right Hooky, it was brutal.
At one point Jennings even feinted a jab.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote: That was just the Jennings fight.

You swine :)

....even you don't believe that PS!

You're right Hooky, it was brutal.
At one point Jennings even feinted a jab.

You've done it now.

I can't recall anyone going overboard on Brook and calling him a world beater etc. Potential world beater? Maybe. However, the manner in which he brushed aside British and Commonwealth level opposition (Jennings aside ;;-) ) suggests he is a level above the domestic scene at least. If he beats Jackiewicz in style, I'd love to see him fight Bailey before going for a world title shot.

On a side note, I don't think the Berto-Zaveck fight is a foregone conclusion.

Cheers Wrists.
I know where you're coming from mate.
You'll get nowhere in boxing as a purveyor of fairness

To add to the confusion, is this fight a WBA title eliminator for the proper title or the interim title (which just changed hands).

Surely this El Massoudi gets a crack at Shevchenko before the winner of this fight?

And then what of Matthew Hatton - wasn't he in talks to fight Shevchenko or Mbaye/El Massoudi.

Sorry to add, but interim titles are rediclous as they are, but the WBA Welter situation has been historically bad. Mbaye was interim champ for over a year not even close to world title against the champ - it makes a mockery of its existance.

Believe or not, I actually think there is room for interim AND intercontinental titles (Silver/Diamond shit no) if used STRICTLY in the way that they were created. Interim titles created when the main champion is injured or unavailable to fight and his status isn't clear - interim holders are mandated to fight the main champion should he return. Interim champions promoted to main champion should the fighter be unable to continue, or not fight in the devision... thats the only reason why there should be an interim champion.

Kell turned pro with Fight Academy then went with Hennessy before Warren.

G0mez wrote:Kell turned pro with Fight Academy then went with Hennessy before Warren.

No, he boxed on their shows but without any promotional contract. His first promotional deal was with Mr Warrren.

Look u boxrec freak all I, me ,myself ,wesley05 is saying is that I think kell has the beating of the best my personal opinion!!! Get a grip with ya self and see other people's opinions "hooky"

wesley05 wrote:Look u boxrec freak all I, me ,myself ,wesley05 is saying is that I think kell has the beating of the best my personal opinion!!! Get a grip with ya self and see other people's opinions "hooky"

Cheers Kell

danfoster wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Captain Hook wrote: You swine :)

....even you don't believe that PS!

You're right Hooky, it was brutal.
At one point Jennings even feinted a jab.

You've done it now.

I'm not even from Chorley....just felt for the guy, and the comments afterwards didn't help!

Anyway, let's move on....

Anyone else think he should rematch Jennings?

:)

wesley05 wrote:Look u boxrec freak all I, me ,myself ,wesley05 is saying is that I think kell has the beating of the best my personal opinion!!! Get a grip with ya self and see other people's opinions "hooky"

fornicate me you won that argument Wesley, all five of you

danfoster wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Captain Hook wrote: You swine :)

....even you don't believe that PS!

You're right Hooky, it was brutal.
At one point Jennings even feinted a jab.

You've done it now.

Hooky can never resist a nibble!

It has been said...

Why would matchroom bother getting brook opponents who they thought he would walk through??? at this stage he needs continued testing n'dou was a step up even at his age and he passed with flying colours as expected jackiewicz is another step up it would appear that some people dont think its a big enough step are these people behind a great britsh prospect being brought along at the right pace or as it would appear wanting him tested at the highest level poss as soon as poss so they can say i told you so if he gets a hiding!!!! i believe real boxing fans would enjoy his exciting style and if handled correctly he really has the potential to mix it at top level but the haters do nothing but bring up the same arguments after each outing stop justifying these arguments with flaws you think you see against opponents that have taught us very little try getting behind a british fighter that has up till now done nothing but beat everyone he's fought and got a few people in the know believing he maybe a top prospect .