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Final round wrote:I don't agree that the year has been rubbish, I agree the top promoters should be more open to matching their fighters together and there may not have been many wow factor super fights for Joe Public to embrace but an overall look at the sport from my view seems pretty healthy, here are some of the fights I've enjoyed this year I've probably missed loads but off the top of my head;

Ortiz vs Berto, Sturm vs Macklin, Murray v Mitchell, Wolak vs Rodriguez, Arce vs Vazquez Jr , Mares vs Agbeko, Rios v Acosta, Lopez vSalido, Marquez vs Concepcion, Gamboa v Solis, Buckland vs Sykes 2, Barret v Tua 2, Hall v McDonnell, Miranda v Viloria, Alexander vs Matthysse, Maidana v Morales ,Groves v Degale, Aaron v Webb, Darchinyan v Perez, Cotto v Mayorga, Haye v Wlad, Katsidis v Guerrero

ALI wrote:

Final round wrote:I don't agree that the year has been rubbish, I agree the top promoters should be more open to matching their fighters together and there may not have been many wow factor super fights for Joe Public to embrace but an overall look at the sport from my view seems pretty healthy, here are some of the fights I've enjoyed this year I've probably missed loads but off the top of my head;

Ortiz vs Berto, Sturm vs Macklin, Murray v Mitchell, Wolak vs Rodriguez, Arce vs Vazquez Jr , Mares vs Agbeko, Rios v Acosta, Lopez vSalido, Marquez vs Concepcion, Gamboa v Solis, Buckland vs Sykes 2, Barret v Tua 2, Hall v McDonnell, Miranda v Viloria, Alexander vs Matthysse, Maidana v Morales ,Groves v Degale, Aaron v Webb, Darchinyan v Perez, Cotto v Mayorga, Haye v Wlad, Katsidis v Guerrero

The trouble with boxing is that it could always be better, in other sports its all mapped out and guaranteed, year in year out. In football its the league + cups, europe, world cup. In tennis the slams come around 4 times a year. In athletics you have all sorts of championships lined up. Cricket, rugby, motor racing, its all lined up and gauranteed, the best taking on the best, exactly what sport is all about. In boxing nothing is gauranteed and we are usually always left wanting.

Multiple champions of equal measure in the same division is not working, just imagine the world cup ending after the quarter finals with the 4 winning teams being declared 'a world champion'...... What next, maybe one or two of the world champions will play each other at some point to see who is the 'real' champion, then again, maybe they'll never play each other, we'll just have to wait and see. Fcuk me that would really draw in the punters!

Three major sanctioning bodies, all corrupt as hell, are governing our sport. Its absolute nonsense, but it suits the greedy promoters who's priority and motivation will always be money driven. I cannot see it changing until we get one united, non corrupt, governing body to govern our sport. It will never happen though, not in my lifetime.

Final round wrote:

ALI wrote:

Final round wrote:I don't agree that the year has been rubbish, I agree the top promoters should be more open to matching their fighters together and there may not have been many wow factor super fights for Joe Public to embrace but an overall look at the sport from my view seems pretty healthy, here are some of the fights I've enjoyed this year I've probably missed loads but off the top of my head;

Ortiz vs Berto, Sturm vs Macklin, Murray v Mitchell, Wolak vs Rodriguez, Arce vs Vazquez Jr , Mares vs Agbeko, Rios v Acosta, Lopez vSalido, Marquez vs Concepcion, Gamboa v Solis, Buckland vs Sykes 2, Barret v Tua 2, Hall v McDonnell, Miranda v Viloria, Alexander vs Matthysse, Maidana v Morales ,Groves v Degale, Aaron v Webb, Darchinyan v Perez, Cotto v Mayorga, Haye v Wlad, Katsidis v Guerrero

The trouble with boxing is that it could always be better, in other sports its all mapped out and guaranteed, year in year out. In football its the league + cups, europe, world cup. In tennis the slams come around 4 times a year. In athletics you have all sorts of championships lined up. Cricket, rugby, motor racing, its all lined up and gauranteed, the best taking on the best, exactly what sport is all about. In boxing nothing is gauranteed and we are usually always left wanting.

Multiple champions of equal measure in the same division is not working, just imagine the world cup ending after the quarter finals with the 4 winning teams being declared 'a world champion'...... What next, maybe one or two of the world champions will play each other at some point to see who is the 'real' champion, then again, maybe they'll never play each other, we'll just have to wait and see. Fcuk me that would really draw in the punters!

Three major sanctioning bodies, all corrupt as hell, are governing our sport. Its absolute nonsense, but it suits the greedy promoters who's priority and motivation will always be money driven. I cannot see it changing until we get one united, non corrupt, governing body to govern our sport. It will never happen though, not in my lifetime.

Completely agree with the multiple belt schtick bollocks it devalues the meaning of champion and makes a mockery of reaching the pinnacle of the sport.

That's it but you're right it will NEVER happen funnily enough I asked allegedly what was the one thing he would change in the sport and this is what he said surprisingly

ALI wrote:

Final round wrote:

ALI wrote: The trouble with boxing is that it could always be better, in other sports its all mapped out and guaranteed, year in year out. In football its the league + cups, europe, world cup. In tennis the slams come around 4 times a year. In athletics you have all sorts of championships lined up. Cricket, rugby, motor racing, its all lined up and gauranteed, the best taking on the best, exactly what sport is all about. In boxing nothing is gauranteed and we are usually always left wanting.

Multiple champions of equal measure in the same division is not working, just imagine the world cup ending after the quarter finals with the 4 winning teams being declared 'a world champion'...... What next, maybe one or two of the world champions will play each other at some point to see who is the 'real' champion, then again, maybe they'll never play each other, we'll just have to wait and see. Fcuk me that would really draw in the punters!

Three major sanctioning bodies, all corrupt as hell, are governing our sport. Its absolute nonsense, but it suits the greedy promoters who's priority and motivation will always be money driven. I cannot see it changing until we get one united, non corrupt, governing body to govern our sport. It will never happen though, not in my lifetime.

Completely agree with the multiple belt schtick bollocks it devalues the meaning of champion and makes a mockery of reaching the pinnacle of the sport.

That's it but you're right it will NEVER happen funnily enough I asked allegedly what was the one thing he would change in the sport and this is what he said surprisingly

Really, i'm also surprised he said that. Titles help gernerate money and create more opportunutiy for fighters (thats obviously the main arguement against eliminating them). Warren and Hatton milked that WBU trinket like nothing i'd ever seen before. The WBO has been Warren's biggest ally over the years. Strange that he'd vote to get rid of them given how they have benifited him over the years.

J wrote:on a side note anyone know how (Khaosai Galaxy 9th boxer) actually was named after?

theres an internet biscuit in it for first right answer.

Hook1 wrote:

Deno1986 wrote:

Hook1 wrote:Another ufc thread ZZZZzzzzzz, bore off guys. Go troll a UFC / MMA forum because these attempts to "sell " ufc to boxing fans are just becoming embarrassing....

If you read the opening post properly you would see it is a thread regarding current day promoting in boxing with a slight reference to UFC. A lot of posters skimmed over the post, seen "UFC" being mentioned and their boxing defense mechanism kicked into action without taking into account what the opening poster is trying to state.

The Carl Froch reference is spot on in my opinion. Froch would have been a household name across the British Isles 15-20 years ago but it's only the hardcore and over interested casual fan that know about him. It's a bad state of affairs when his missus draws him more attention than his promoter does.

I don't watch UFC and I don't intend to but they have tapped into a market that boxing authorities and promotors took for granted over the years. In terms of a marketing strategy, they have bloody geniuses working for them to be able to get a viewing public like they have, and all in a relatively short period of time.

I did read the post and also the thread of the post "Boxing in 2011 is rubbish" think thats a discredit to the sport itself. I have not the faintist clue who is fighting in the mma / ufc world and to be honest i will not be losing sleep over that fact.

Galaxy stated in his opening post:

“Its because the promoters are all crap.

Watching UFC a bit recently I was struck at the "clarity" of the whole product, stories and characters are established quickly and clearly. X is a bad guy so we see him generally acting like a pudendum, Y is a good guy, so we see him making with the nice nice. They then make sure the audience knows both guys history, giving a story as to how we got to this point where these 2 guys are fighting (Boxing promoters are horrible at doing this, its like they have to keep it a secret) show them knocking some people out and its done.”

Well I think there are a lot of hardworking boxing promoters out there that do their best to ensure their fighter gets the publicity they deserve, so to make a sweeping statement and state they are all shit is very inflammatory!! Secondly in my local there has been loads of talk about bellew and Clev, and these aren’t even avid boxing fans just casual sport watchers. Nothing was said about UFC though….

Boxing doesn’t need to resort to painting X as a bady and Y as goody, generally because boxing fans understand that the sport is not that simplistic or child like. Boxing is about who has the better skills to compete and ultimately win on their ability…Thank you and goodnight

Hook1 wrote:. Nothing was said about UFC though….

Hook1 wrote: Well I think there are a lot of hardworking boxing promoters out there that do their best to ensure their fighter gets the publicity they deserve

Hook1 wrote: Boxing doesn’t need to resort to painting X as a bady and Y as goody, generally because boxing fans understand that the sport is not that simplistic or child like. Boxing is about who has the better skills to compete and ultimately win on their ability…Thank you and goodnight

J wrote:in fairness to KG living overseas we dont get to see the british title fights or rarely....

Final round wrote:

J wrote:on a side note anyone know how (Khaosai Galaxy 9th boxer) actually was named after?

theres an internet biscuit in it for first right answer.

A nightclub?

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

J wrote:in fairness to KG living overseas we dont get to see the british title fights or rarely....

You make it sound like are living together.

Which I must say is a lovely image.

J wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

J wrote:in fairness to KG living overseas we dont get to see the british title fights or rarely....

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You make it sound like are living together.

Which I must say is a lovely image.

perhaps we are, ive never noticed the wife having a dick until now though.

what a shock that was. tape broke.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Hook1 wrote:. Nothing was said about UFC though….

Besides saying "I don't particularly like MMA" ?

Hook1 wrote: Well I think there are a lot of hardworking boxing promoters out there that do their best to ensure their fighter gets the publicity they deserve

yes, but they are failing to get said publicity, working hard doesn't mean you are any good.

I have been working hard trying to become the President of France for the last 15 years, but i have had not managed to achieve it.

Various promoters put on decent cards, granted a few don't, but that doesn't justify your earlier statement saying they are all crap..

Hook1 wrote: Boxing doesn’t need to resort to painting X as a bady and Y as goody, generally because boxing fans understand that the sport is not that simplistic or child like. Boxing is about who has the better skills to compete and ultimately win on their ability…Thank you and goodnight

Laughable, utterly laughable. "Boxing doesn’t need to resort to painting X as a bady and Y as goody" has to be the single most misguided comment i've ever read on here.

what is laughable? Get on topic and state your point...

"Boxing is about who has the better skills to compete and ultimately win on their ability…Thank you and goodnight"

oh yes, what a clincher! that showed me, and others!!

FFS


Benn - Eubank


Benn - Eubank

Ill keep pasting that until one of "you people" figures it out why exactly folks still talk about it today.

That "great" 2nd fight at Old Trafford?...

J wrote:

Final round wrote:

J wrote:on a side note anyone know how (Khaosai Galaxy 9th boxer) actually was named after?

theres an internet biscuit in it for first right answer.

A nightclub?

correct.


have a biscuit.

Hook1 wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Hook1 wrote:. Nothing was said about UFC though….

Besides saying "I don't particularly like MMA" ?

Hook1 wrote: Well I think there are a lot of hardworking boxing promoters out there that do their best to ensure their fighter gets the publicity they deserve

yes, but they are failing to get said publicity, working hard doesn't mean you are any good.

I have been working hard trying to become the President of France for the last 15 years, but i have had not managed to achieve it.

Various promoters put on decent cards, granted a few don't, but that doesn't justify your earlier statement saying they are all crap..

Hook1 wrote: Boxing doesn’t need to resort to painting X as a bady and Y as goody, generally because boxing fans understand that the sport is not that simplistic or child like. Boxing is about who has the better skills to compete and ultimately win on their ability…Thank you and goodnight

Laughable, utterly laughable. "Boxing doesn’t need to resort to painting X as a bady and Y as goody" has to be the single most misguided comment i've ever read on here.

what is laughable? Get on topic and state your point...

"Boxing is about who has the better skills to compete and ultimately win on their ability…Thank you and goodnight"

oh yes, what a clincher! that showed me, and others!!

FFS


Benn - Eubank


Benn - Eubank

Ill keep pasting that until one of "you people" figures it out why exactly folks still talk about it today.

That "great" 2nd fight at Old Trafford?...

You keep on saying about this fight, to be honest some boxers are liked more than others and result in good v bad by default. Not every single fight is that way aand they still get talked about regardless.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

J wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:o


You make it sound like are living together.

Which I must say is a lovely image.

perhaps we are, ive never noticed the wife having a dick until now though.

what a shock that was. tape broke.

I can't think of which ladyboy story i was going to post here, there are far too many.

I once wrote an text for a ladyboy that was being sent to her client as she didnt speak great english.

I found out that client in question just happened to be former Holywood star David Carradine.

3 days later he was found dead in his hotel room in Bangkok.

True story.

Deno1986 wrote:

Hook1 wrote:Another ufc thread ZZZZzzzzzz, bore off guys. Go troll a UFC / MMA forum because these attempts to "sell " ufc to boxing fans are just becoming embarrassing....

If you read the opening post properly you would see it is a thread regarding current day promoting in boxing with a slight reference to UFC. A lot of posters skimmed over the post, seen "UFC" being mentioned and their boxing defense mechanism kicked into action without taking into account what the opening poster is trying to state.

The Carl Froch reference is spot on in my opinion. Froch would have been a household name across the British Isles 15-20 years ago but it's only the hardcore and over interested casual fan that know about him. It's a bad state of affairs when his missus draws him more attention than his promoter does.

I don't watch UFC and I don't intend to but they have tapped into a market that boxing authorities and promotors took for granted over the years. In terms of a marketing strategy, they have bloody geniuses working for them to be able to get a viewing public like they have, and all in a relatively short period of time.

Giancarlo wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

J wrote:
perhaps we are, ive never noticed the wife having a dick until now though.

what a shock that was. tape broke.

I can't think of which ladyboy story i was going to post here, there are far too many.

I once wrote an text for a ladyboy that was being sent to her client as she didnt speak great english.

I found out that client in question just happened to be former Holywood star David Carradine.

3 days later he was found dead in his hotel room in Bangkok.

True story.

Not as good as the other 'true story' about you and Greavsie flashing each other in a public toilet.

ALI wrote:

Wales wrote:

ALI wrote:
I dont agree with your theory that before each fight we should get a run down of each fighters character, all that good guy bad guy crap would bore the tits of me. Can you imagine watching Wimbledon with that sort of nonsense in the build up? Its not neccessary, this is not WWF. Though i am a big fan of Showtimes fight camp 360, i really loved the insight that offered to what goes on behind the scenes etc. 24/7 i also enjoy, but its really just the Floyd Mayweather show and i find him to be a bit of a childish brat with some sort of ADHD going on. The guys a tool and that show could offer much more than it curently gives.

Isnt 24/7 and 360FC a run down of each fighters character?

Yes, that is a part of the shows and i personally like it, if it is kept real. The general idea of 24/7 and 360 is to give a behind the scenes look at what goes on in the fighters camps (and lifes) in the build up to a big fight. Its not WWF, where they are trying to create or shape a persons character:

"X is a bad guy so we see him generally acting like a pudendum, Y is a good guy, so we see him making with the nice nice."

Yeah, right D

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Hook1 wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Besides saying "I don't particularly like MMA" ?
yes, but they are failing to get said publicity, working hard doesn't mean you are any good.

I have been working hard trying to become the President of France for the last 15 years, but i have had not managed to achieve it.

Various promoters put on decent cards, granted a few don't, but that doesn't justify your earlier statement saying they are all crap..
Laughable, utterly laughable. "Boxing doesn’t need to resort to painting X as a bady and Y as goody" has to be the single most misguided comment i've ever read on here.

what is laughable? Get on topic and state your point...

"Boxing is about who has the better skills to compete and ultimately win on their ability…Thank you and goodnight"

oh yes, what a clincher! that showed me, and others!!

FFS


Benn - Eubank


Benn - Eubank

Ill keep pasting that until one of "you people" figures it out why exactly folks still talk about it today.

That "great" 2nd fight at Old Trafford?...

You keep on saying about this fight, to be honest some boxers are liked more than others and result in good v bad by default. Not every single fight is that way aand they still get talked about regardless.

Go and name me 1 genuinely big fight in history that wasn't essentially marketed as "Good Vs Evil" The oldest story in the world.

You will never get it, will you?

Its hard to argue with someone like you, who cannot grasp basic concepts.

Go and find out what "Promotion" "Context" "Successful" "Docking" and "Fisting" mean.


Then get back to me.

Final round wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Hook1 wrote: You keep on saying about this fight, to be honest some boxers are liked more than others and result in good v bad by default. Not every single fight is that way aand they still get talked about regardless.

Go and name me 1 genuinely big fight in history that wasn't essentially marketed as "Good Vs Evil" The oldest story in the world.

You will never get it, will you?

Its hard to argue with someone like you, who cannot grasp basic concepts.

Go and find out what "Promotion" "Context" "Successful" "Docking" and "Fisting" mean.


Then get back to me.

Ok we get it you're disenchanted with the sport and want everyone to see the light and join you in your condemnation...

In fact you've inspired me to join a porn forum ( if such things exist *ahem ) and bemoan at the lack of plot and personality in the skin flicks of today

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Hook1 wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Besides saying "I don't particularly like MMA" ?
yes, but they are failing to get said publicity, working hard doesn't mean you are any good.

I have been working hard trying to become the President of France for the last 15 years, but i have had not managed to achieve it.

Various promoters put on decent cards, granted a few don't, but that doesn't justify your earlier statement saying they are all crap..
Laughable, utterly laughable. "Boxing doesn’t need to resort to painting X as a bady and Y as goody" has to be the single most misguided comment i've ever read on here.

what is laughable? Get on topic and state your point...

"Boxing is about who has the better skills to compete and ultimately win on their ability…Thank you and goodnight"

oh yes, what a clincher! that showed me, and others!!

FFS


Benn - Eubank


Benn - Eubank

Ill keep pasting that until one of "you people" figures it out why exactly folks still talk about it today.

That "great" 2nd fight at Old Trafford?...

You keep on saying about this fight, to be honest some boxers are liked more than others and result in good v bad by default. Not every single fight is that way aand they still get talked about regardless.

Go and name me 1 genuinely big fight in history that wasn't essentially marketed as "Good Vs Evil" The oldest story in the world.

You will never get it, will you?

Its hard to argue with someone like you, who cannot grasp basic concepts.

Go and find out what "Promotion" "Context" "Successful" "Docking" and "Fisting" mean.


Then get back to me.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Watching UFC a bit recently I was struck at the "clarity" of the whole product, stories and characters are established quickly and clearly. X is a bad guy so we see him generally acting like a pudendum, Y is a good guy, so we see him making with the nice nice. They then make sure the audience knows both guys history, giving a story as to how we got to this point where these 2 guys are fighting (Boxing promoters are horrible at doing this, its like they have to keep it a secret) show them knocking some people out and its done.

The audience knows who, why, where, when.