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Giancarlo wrote:

Controversial wrote:If you remember Bruno badly hurt Tyson with a left hook in their first fight

Badly hurt?

Dream on.

If you read my post in full, without taking snippets out of it and taking them out of context, you will notice I was commenting on Bruno's punch power, not Tyson's chin.

The context doesn't really matter, Bruno never had Tyson seriously hurt.

Giancarlo wrote:

Controversial wrote:If you remember Bruno badly hurt Tyson with a left hook in their first fight

Badly hurt?

Dream on.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The context doesn't really matter, Bruno never had Tyson seriously hurt.

Apparently Tyson himself disagrees with both of you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 216875.stm

......the brilliant harold johnson had a good punch and was a great fighter. his only weakness was in not having a good chin. now some yahoo is going to come on here and list the number of fights he had against strong punchers and the few times he was stopped. he knew his chin was a problem and a some dumb-ass sports writers said he was too cautious but he himself said(paraphrased) "they say i'm too cautious and want me to open up and slug it out more, but when i do , that's when i get into trouble."

i've always been unhappy about never seeing tippy larkin fight. that was a great shoutout a few posts back. he must have been a wonder. writers and fight followers named his win over billy graham as the best scientific performance of the year.

Michael Moorer ?

fatcookie wrote:Michael Moorer ?

Tough one to call I would say as he got dropped by two all time greats in Evander Holyfield (five times in their second fight and just the one in their first fight) and once and for the count by George Foreman. PLus he got run over by David Tua who was arguable one of the hardest punchers of the 1990s in one round plus dropped by Bert Cooper twice. So it is a fair shout

IRLangmaid25 wrote:

fatcookie wrote:Michael Moorer ?

Tough one to call I would say as he got dropped by two all time greats in Evander Holyfield (five times in their second fight and just the one in their first fight) and once and for the count by George Foreman. PLus he got run over by David Tua who was arguable one of the hardest punchers of the 1990s in one round plus dropped by Bert Cooper twice. So it is a fair shout

True. I don't think he was ever knocked down as a Light Heavy either. Bigfoot Martin was the only other to knock him down. Maybe Moorer had a better chin than I first gave him credit for.

dr_devious wrote:Tommy Hearns springs to mind, as does Roy Jones later in his career

Never agreed with Hearns on this list. Hagler, Leonard, and Mugabi weren't even average punchers. That's like saying Cotto has a weak chin because everyone with a good punch can hurt him.

Lewis doesn't belong on this list. Since when does being shook by punchers mean you have a weak chin? If he did stand up to the fighters that y'all of referring to, he would have a granite chin. His chin simply isn't great. Doesn't mean he has a glass chin. He took flush bombs from Vitali without going down. Vitali isn't as hard of a punchers as his brother but, he isn't exactly feather fisted.

fatcookie wrote:

IRLangmaid25 wrote:

fatcookie wrote:Michael Moorer ?

Tough one to call I would say as he got dropped by two all time greats in Evander Holyfield (five times in their second fight and just the one in their first fight) and once and for the count by George Foreman. PLus he got run over by David Tua who was arguable one of the hardest punchers of the 1990s in one round plus dropped by Bert Cooper twice. So it is a fair shout

True. I don't think he was ever knocked down as a Light Heavy either. Bigfoot Martin was the only other to knock him down. Maybe Moorer had a better chin than I first gave him credit for.

That is pretty good evidence that he didn't have a good chin. In just about every fight he had against a decent puncher, he got decked. Tua was a hard puncher but the punch he hit Moorer with shouldn't have hurt anyone with a decent chin, let alone knock him out. The shot Foreman hit him with wouldn't have knocked out someone with a decent chin.

Alp, I gotta say, Foreman's punches should probably never be under estimated. Regardless of what it looked like. I mean, it can be reasonalbly argued that George was the single hardest hitting puncher the ring has ever seen. One punch from him, and all bets are off. I'm not sure that someone caving from his punch, can ever be used to make a case for a weak chin.

I'm a bit surprised on this statment.

fatcookie wrote:

IRLangmaid25 wrote:

fatcookie wrote:Michael Moorer ?

Tough one to call I would say as he got dropped by two all time greats in Evander Holyfield (five times in their second fight and just the one in their first fight) and once and for the count by George Foreman. PLus he got run over by David Tua who was arguable one of the hardest punchers of the 1990s in one round plus dropped by Bert Cooper twice. So it is a fair shout

True. I don't think he was ever knocked down as a Light Heavy either. Bigfoot Martin was the only other to knock him down. Maybe Moorer had a better chin than I first gave him credit for.

I don't recall reading anything about Moorer getting dropped down at Light-Heavy either. Might have to do some digging on that.

I've got most of his fights on DVD. Swindell hurt him in their first fight before being stopped but didn't have him over.

orbtastic wrote:I've got most of his fights on DVD. Swindell hurt him in their first fight before being stopped but didn't have him over.

Did Alex Stewart put him down, or just wobble him? My memories fade as the years go by...

Mind you, I'm not sure a negative reaction at being clattered by seventeen stone (or whatever) of Alex Stewart is any indication as to whether or not someone's got a good chin, but I'm curious from a trivia point of view.

i think Stewart just wobbled him.

Ambling Alp wrote:That is pretty good evidence that he didn't have a good chin. In just about every fight he had against a decent puncher, he got decked. Tua was a hard puncher but the punch he hit Moorer with shouldn't have hurt anyone with a decent chin, let alone knock him out. The shot Foreman hit him with wouldn't have knocked out someone with a decent chin.

Moorer was also hurt shortly before the KO by a decent shot, but I have to agree the KO shot hardly looked like even one of Old George's better efforts other than the fact that he was able to deliver it a relatively staright line. Old fat George was a good puncher, but was a mere shadow of the 70's version. He had lots of KOs in his second career but very few against anyone of note.

Yeah, I didn't mean to say that it was nothing punch. It was a nice, clean punch that landed right on the button. However, it was a didn't seem like Foreman put much of his body into it. Even assuming that Moorer never saw it coming, it should not have been enough to knock out a fighter with a decent chin.
It looked like something that might wobble someone with an average chin, but that would be about it.
The Tua punch had less on it and Moorer reacted as if he really got clocked.