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elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote: You must be out of your mind. It takes more than an all out attack to overwhelm and beat Duran. Guys like Armstrong were perfect for him. Guys that came forward to really fight. It would be an interesting scrap, but Armstrong would not cope with a complete and intelligent fighter like Duran.

As a matter of fact, I don't see Armstrong beating these guys:
Alexis Arguello, Eusebio Pedroza nor Salvador Sanchez at featherweight
Sugar Ray Leonard nor Kid Gavilan at welterweight
Thomas Hearns nor Mike McCallum nor Julian Jackson at super welter
Marvin Hagler, Gene Fullmer nor Carlos Monzon at middleweight.

Now we're talking about lightweights, Armstrong loses to:
Joe Brown
Carlos Ortiz
Ismael Laguna
Nicolino Locche
Roberto Duran

I love your crazy list of fighters who could 'beat' the great Henry Armstong.

One thing that puzzles me is that you missed Benny Leonard off your list.

I don't go to the 1920s... I pick modern fighters from 1940s and on. and these guys are great candidates to beat the great Henry Armstrong. His achievements were out of this world, no doubt about it, but can you imagine Armstrong fighting in the 1970s for example?

Okay, he challenges the great Alexis Arguello for the World Featherweight Title...You think that Armstrong wins this one?

then, he jumps 20 pounds to fight Pipino Cuevas? this might be the easier one. And then drops weight to fight the great Roberto Duran?
You really think Armstrong, with that style beats a complete fighter like the Hands of Stone?

Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran's style. Someone that can fight inside as well as he, but better, using angles and making his opponents miss. Duran's overall all around skills eclipses Armstrong's bumrushing style...Armstrong has NO class, just going forward and throwing punches in bunches...this ain't the 1930s...Boxing has evolved immensely since Armstrong's days. He would receive some wicked shots by Duran. And by the time the fight is over, I could picture both of his eyes shut. I could picture Armstrong saying after the fight: " I gave all I got, but this guy Duran was superior in all departments...This guy can fight!"

Let's give Duran some credit in his boxing skills, folks...He would be too much for Henry.

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote: You must be out of your mind. It takes more than an all out attack to overwhelm and beat Duran. Guys like Armstrong were perfect for him. Guys that came forward to really fight. It would be an interesting scrap, but Armstrong would not cope with a complete and intelligent fighter like Duran.

As a matter of fact, I don't see Armstrong beating these guys:
Alexis Arguello, Eusebio Pedroza nor Salvador Sanchez at featherweight
Sugar Ray Leonard nor Kid Gavilan at welterweight
Thomas Hearns nor Mike McCallum nor Julian Jackson at super welter
Marvin Hagler, Gene Fullmer nor Carlos Monzon at middleweight.

Now we're talking about lightweights, Armstrong loses to:
Joe Brown
Carlos Ortiz
Ismael Laguna
Nicolino Locche
Roberto Duran

I love your crazy list of fighters who could 'beat' the great Henry Armstong.

One thing that puzzles me is that you missed Benny Leonard off your list.

I don't go to the 1920s... I pick modern fighters from 1940s and on. and these guys are great candidates to beat the great Henry Armstrong. His achievements were out of this world, no doubt about it, but can you imagine Armstrong fighting in the 1970s for example?

Okay, he challenges the great Alexis Arguello for the World Featherweight Title...You think that Armstrong wins this one?

then, he jumps 20 pounds to fight Pipino Cuevas? this might be the easier one. And then drops weight to fight the great Roberto Duran?
You really think Armstrong, with that style beats a complete fighter like the Hands of Stone?

Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran's style. Someone that can fight inside as well as he, but better, using angles and making his opponents miss. Duran's overall all around skills eclipses Armstrong's bumrushing style...Armstrong has NO class, just going forward and throwing punches in bunches...this ain't the 1930s...Boxing has evolved immensely since Armstrong's days. He would receive some wicked shots by Duran. And by the time the fight is over, I could picture both of his eyes shut. I could picture Armstrong saying after the fight: " I gave all I got, but this guy Duran was superior in all departments...This guy can fight!"

Let's give Duran some credit in his boxing skills, folks...He would be too much for Henry.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:And then Duran was pictured to say...

"Henry has no style, no class. He is a bum-rusher. This aint the 1930's."

It was pictured that Armstrong never fought again, while Duran went on to invade Poland and swallow Tokyo.

scotto wrote:ELMER you did not answer me , did you add jerry mcgee to that beat armstrong list? that list is so absurd you might as well, by the way mcgee was a new york prelim boxer in the forties who had a record of 5 win 81 loses, i dont think he ever said no mas though

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Armstrong saw duran's style every time he shadowboxed. Duran wasn't near the defender and counter-puncher he later became as a Lightweight. He was a bull coming forward and flailing bombs, juts like Armstrong. You're not even funny anymore on this one. It's pathetic trolling.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: I love your crazy list of fighters who could 'beat' the great Henry Armstong.

One thing that puzzles me is that you missed Benny Leonard off your list.

I don't go to the 1920s... I pick modern fighters from 1940s and on. and these guys are great candidates to beat the great Henry Armstrong. His achievements were out of this world, no doubt about it, but can you imagine Armstrong fighting in the 1970s for example?

Okay, he challenges the great Alexis Arguello for the World Featherweight Title...You think that Armstrong wins this one?

then, he jumps 20 pounds to fight Pipino Cuevas? this might be the easier one. And then drops weight to fight the great Roberto Duran?
You really think Armstrong, with that style beats a complete fighter like the Hands of Stone?

Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran's style. Someone that can fight inside as well as he, but better, using angles and making his opponents miss. Duran's overall all around skills eclipses Armstrong's bumrushing style...Armstrong has NO class, just going forward and throwing punches in bunches...this ain't the 1930s...Boxing has evolved immensely since Armstrong's days. He would receive some wicked shots by Duran. And by the time the fight is over, I could picture both of his eyes shut. I could picture Armstrong saying after the fight: " I gave all I got, but this guy Duran was superior in all departments...This guy can fight!"

Let's give Duran some credit in his boxing skills, folks...He would be too much for Henry.

Armstong had 181 pro fights and you're saying he never fought anyone with Duran's "overall all around skills."

When Henry was well past his best, he fought and lost on points to a guy in his prime called Walker Smith Junior. I'm not sure what happened to Mr Smith, but I'm pretty sure that he had more "overall all around skills" than Duran.

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote: I don't go to the 1920s... I pick modern fighters from 1940s and on. and these guys are great candidates to beat the great Henry Armstrong. His achievements were out of this world, no doubt about it, but can you imagine Armstrong fighting in the 1970s for example?

Okay, he challenges the great Alexis Arguello for the World Featherweight Title...You think that Armstrong wins this one?

then, he jumps 20 pounds to fight Pipino Cuevas? this might be the easier one. And then drops weight to fight the great Roberto Duran?
You really think Armstrong, with that style beats a complete fighter like the Hands of Stone?

Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran's style. Someone that can fight inside as well as he, but better, using angles and making his opponents miss. Duran's overall all around skills eclipses Armstrong's bumrushing style...Armstrong has NO class, just going forward and throwing punches in bunches...this ain't the 1930s...Boxing has evolved immensely since Armstrong's days. He would receive some wicked shots by Duran. And by the time the fight is over, I could picture both of his eyes shut. I could picture Armstrong saying after the fight: " I gave all I got, but this guy Duran was superior in all departments...This guy can fight!"

Let's give Duran some credit in his boxing skills, folks...He would be too much for Henry.

Armstong had 181 pro fights and you're saying he never fought anyone with Duran's "overall all around skills."

When Henry was well past his best, he fought and lost on points to a guy in his prime called Walker Smith Junior. I'm not sure what happened to Mr Smith, but I'm pretty sure that he had more "overall all around skills" than Duran.

Sugar Ray Robinson does not has more all around skills than Roberto Duran... That is an illusion of the media...I could name better fighters that had better technique than the great SRR.

Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran.

scotto wrote:ELMER i wont debate with you anymore because you do not have any knowledge of boxing history if it happened before 1975.the statement that duran had better skills then robinson was the knockout blow for me. my friend and historian jack kincaid almost fell off my couch when he read that statement.

elmersalsa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Armstrong saw duran's style every time he shadowboxed. Duran wasn't near the defender and counter-puncher he later became as a Lightweight. He was a bull coming forward and flailing bombs, juts like Armstrong. You're not even funny anymore on this one. It's pathetic trolling.

It is a waste of time talking to you. You don't even know the style of Roberto Duran. At his very best, Duran was a magnificent techncian and counterpuncher underrated by his on rushing style of the majority of his fights.

Look at his fights again...You don't even know what are you talking about. Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran. A ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER CANNOT BEAT A ROBERTO DURAN...YOU HEAR!

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote: I don't go to the 1920s... I pick modern fighters from 1940s and on. and these guys are great candidates to beat the great Henry Armstrong. His achievements were out of this world, no doubt about it, but can you imagine Armstrong fighting in the 1970s for example?

Okay, he challenges the great Alexis Arguello for the World Featherweight Title...You think that Armstrong wins this one?

then, he jumps 20 pounds to fight Pipino Cuevas? this might be the easier one. And then drops weight to fight the great Roberto Duran?
You really think Armstrong, with that style beats a complete fighter like the Hands of Stone?

Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran's style. Someone that can fight inside as well as he, but better, using angles and making his opponents miss. Duran's overall all around skills eclipses Armstrong's bumrushing style...Armstrong has NO class, just going forward and throwing punches in bunches...this ain't the 1930s...Boxing has evolved immensely since Armstrong's days. He would receive some wicked shots by Duran. And by the time the fight is over, I could picture both of his eyes shut. I could picture Armstrong saying after the fight: " I gave all I got, but this guy Duran was superior in all departments...This guy can fight!"

Let's give Duran some credit in his boxing skills, folks...He would be too much for Henry.

Armstong had 181 pro fights and you're saying he never fought anyone with Duran's "overall all around skills."

When Henry was well past his best, he fought and lost on points to a guy in his prime called Walker Smith Junior. I'm not sure what happened to Mr Smith, but I'm pretty sure that he had more "overall all around skills" than Duran.

Sugar Ray Robinson does not has more all around skills than Roberto Duran... That is an illusion of the media...I could name better fighters that had better technique than the great SRR.

Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran.

elmersalsa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Armstrong saw duran's style every time he shadowboxed. Duran wasn't near the defender and counter-puncher he later became as a Lightweight. He was a bull coming forward and flailing bombs, juts like Armstrong. You're not even funny anymore on this one. It's pathetic trolling.

It is a waste of time talking to you. You don't even know the style of Roberto Duran. At his very best, Duran was a magnificent techncian and counterpuncher underrated by his on rushing style of the majority of his fights.

Look at his fights again...You don't even know what are you talking about. Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran. A ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER CANNOT BEAT A ROBERTO DURAN...YOU HEAR!

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Armstrong saw duran's style every time he shadowboxed. Duran wasn't near the defender and counter-puncher he later became as a Lightweight. He was a bull coming forward and flailing bombs, juts like Armstrong. You're not even funny anymore on this one. It's pathetic trolling.

It is a waste of time talking to you. You don't even know the style of Roberto Duran. At his very best, Duran was a magnificent techncian and counterpuncher underrated by his on rushing style of the majority of his fights.

Look at his fights again...You don't even know what are you talking about. Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran. A ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER CANNOT BEAT A ROBERTO DURAN...YOU HEAR!

Then stop talking to me, nobody is going to eat the shit you're shoveling. You're nothing more than a clown for our amusement and nobody takes a single word you say seriously. You're definitely in my Top 100 morons.

DaveBoyMorrison wrote:I get it. The media made observers 'picture' SRR being better all round than Duran but in reality he couldn't hit a bull on the arse with a banjo, due to the primitive era he was born in.

elmersalsa wrote:And to me, Ismael Laguna was more complete than Robinson, too. That is my view.

elmersalsa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

elmersalsa wrote: It is a waste of time talking to you. You don't even know the style of Roberto Duran. At his very best, Duran was a magnificent techncian and counterpuncher underrated by his on rushing style of the majority of his fights.

Look at his fights again...You don't even know what are you talking about. Armstrong has never seen nothing like Duran. A ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER CANNOT BEAT A ROBERTO DURAN...YOU HEAR!

Then stop talking to me, nobody is going to eat the shit you're shoveling. You're nothing more than a clown for our amusement and nobody takes a single word you say seriously. You're definitely in my Top 100 morons.

I don't eat your shit, you SOB! If you don't like what I am saying, then don't read my posts. You don't know more boxing than I do. I can tell. You are a retarded scumbag. That is what you are. If you cannot understand boxing styles that is your problem not mine, MF. Only you believe that a ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER WOULD BEAT ROBERTO DURAN.

If you think you got the truth, you are sadly mistaken, sir. The truth is not absolute. To me, you are also a moron and a self arrogant bum. And if you don't like me, Fuuuuckkkk yooooouuu!!!!

elmersalsa wrote:

DaveBoyMorrison wrote:I get it. The media made observers 'picture' SRR being better all round than Duran but in reality he couldn't hit a bull on the arse with a banjo, due to the primitive era he was born in.

SRR was looked as the best at that time, the 1940s. Boxing has evolved very much since then. If Sugar Ray Leonard or Roberto Duran fights in the 40s, they would say he (duran or leonard) is the greatest boxer with the greatest technique. He was fighting some guys that were slow to begin with. No class, just pure brute power and stamina. I did not see in his opponents no jabbing, no uppercuts, no ring cutting, nothing.

In my view, I could name at least 7 fighters that were more technically sound and had were more complete than Robinson:
Ezzard Charles
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Eder Jofre
Salvador Sanchez
Eusebio Pedroza
Marvin Hagler

That is my view.....It is the truth for me...For you it might be another truth.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Then stop talking to me, nobody is going to eat the shit you're shoveling. You're nothing more than a clown for our amusement and nobody takes a single word you say seriously. You're definitely in my Top 100 morons.

I don't eat your shit, you SOB! If you don't like what I am saying, then don't read my posts. You don't know more boxing than I do. I can tell. You are a retarded scumbag. That is what you are. If you cannot understand boxing styles that is your problem not mine, MF. Only you believe that a ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER WOULD BEAT ROBERTO DURAN.

If you think you got the truth, you are sadly mistaken, sir. The truth is not absolute. To me, you are also a moron and a self arrogant bum. And if you don't like me, Fuuuuckkkk yooooouuu!!!!

Your posts are hilarious, I read them because they make me laugh. You're the one saying it's a waste of time, so stop wasting it. But if you're going to insist on quoting me, try your best to understand my words. Show me where I picked Armstrong? Are you able to read?

I like it that you're angry now, it makes you even funnier. Poor little Elmer, fists balled up in rage while he struggles to spit out the words to convey his fury. Keep it coming tough guy, and keep eating my shit.