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Horse wrote:

dondada wrote:Not very often. Because referees tend to stop them at the right time.

This fight wasn't stopped at the right time though, was it?

I'd say that's a matter of opinion, split about 50-50 on this forum. I thought the timing was fine, the execution was poor.

magnus wrote:I'd say that's a matter of opinion, split about 50-50 on this forum. I thought the timing was fine, the execution was poor.

They are grown men who are trained fighters, not little kids who need excessive protection.

The corners can throw in the towel or pull the fighter out in between rounds if they are taking serious damage. It is not the referee's job to make sure that there is no possibility that someone gets hurt.

Should a fight stop every time a fighter gets hurt by a big shot?

Horse wrote:

dondada wrote:Not very often. Because referees tend to stop them at the right time.

This fight wasn't stopped at the right time though, was it?

That's your opinion. Some others don't share it.

dondada wrote:That's your opinion. Some others don't share it.

What about you?

There's noway we are all going to agree on this one. If IJL didn't stop the fight and Corley landed with a haymaker and knocked McCloskey out there would be guys on here going bush saying he should have stopped the fight. I think IJL just panicked when he saw Paul do the funny dance and I think he relized 2secs after he jumped in that he may have made a mistake, I am on the fence on this one because its easy for us to judge from the comfort of our sofa, but when your in there you probs only get a split second to react and decide. Its a thankless task.

Horse wrote:

magnus wrote:I'd say that's a matter of opinion, split about 50-50 on this forum. I thought the timing was fine, the execution was poor.

They are grown men who are trained fighters, not little kids who need excessive protection.

The corners can throw in the towel or pull the fighter out in between rounds if they are taking serious damage. It is not the referee's job to make sure that there is no possibility that someone gets hurt.

Should a fight stop every time a fighter gets hurt by a big shot?

That's a facile question. Each fight is different, in these circumstances I believe the ref made the right call. You clearly didn't, I can appreciate that view, but don't share it.

magnus wrote:That's a facile question. Each fight is different, in these circumstances I believe the ref made the right call. You clearly didn't, I can appreciate that view, but don't share it.

McCloskey was hurt by a good shot and reacted to it, but was ready to keep fighting. Do you really think he should have been stopped?

You should share my view, because it is the correct view to hold.

I think he was losing the fight, he was hurt, but could be recovered. If the fight go to the distance, no doubt McCloskey would have won, like in the fight with Prescott. One thing is clear, McCloske is a fighter for euro-brit level, i think he couldn't win Shafikov actually.

Horse wrote:

magnus wrote:That's a facile question. Each fight is different, in these circumstances I believe the ref made the right call. You clearly didn't, I can appreciate that view, but don't share it.

McCloskey was hurt by a good shot and reacted to it, but was ready to keep fighting. Do you really think he should have been stopped?

You should share my view, because it is the correct view to hold.

Great line.

I know it's a cliche but I'm always for the safety of an earlier stoppage rather than the regret of a second too late.

'Humbled not scrambled'

dondada wrote:

Horse wrote:

magnus wrote:That's a facile question. Each fight is different, in these circumstances I believe the ref made the right call. You clearly didn't, I can appreciate that view, but don't share it.

McCloskey was hurt by a good shot and reacted to it, but was ready to keep fighting. Do you really think he should have been stopped?

You should share my view, because it is the correct view to hold.

Great line.

I know it's a cliche but I'm always for the safety of an earlier stoppage rather than the regret of a second too late.

'Humbled not scrambled'

Horse say's he's right, so he must be right.

Case closed your honour.

Thats me finally got round to watching the fight, had seen this thread make 4 pages and knew something worth watching had happened.

I think the referee has probably done the right thing here, people are saying "careers are on the line" etc but lets be honest, lives are on the line if the ref doesn't react. There is the possibility that McCloskey could have recovered and won on points but there is also the possibility that he could have been seriously hurt in the next exchange as his legs were gone!

In McCloskeys shoes I would be gutted at the stoppage. Gotta give a lot of respect for how he conducted himself in the post fight interview.

BUT In the ref's shoes I would rather be the guy who stopped a fight early than be the guy who stopped a fight too late!

I thought he was right to stop the fight but he took too long to do so, had he jumped in and held McCloskey at the same time waving it off In my opinion it would have been a perfect stoppage but he hesitated and by the time he did eventually say "no more" McCloskey had recovered.

jonny wrote:I thought he was right to stop the fight but he took too long to do so, had he jumped in and held McCloskey at the same time waving it off In my opinion it would have been a perfect stoppage but he hesitated and by the time he did eventually say "no more" McCloskey had recovered.

Yeah, it was as if he wanted to administer a standing 8 count and then thought "shit I am in the Uk".

he gets between them very quickly and then does nothing. He even stops to talk to McCloskey before waving it off.

Anyone know what the scores were at the time of stoppage

stujones wrote:

jonny wrote:I thought he was right to stop the fight but he took too long to do so, had he jumped in and held McCloskey at the same time waving it off In my opinion it would have been a perfect stoppage but he hesitated and by the time he did eventually say "no more" McCloskey had recovered.

Yeah, it was as if he wanted to administer a standing 8 count and then thought "shit I am in the Uk".

he gets between them very quickly and then does nothing. He even stops to talk to McCloskey before waving it off.

Yeah it was a messy stoppage

If mcCloskey didn't do all the kidology crap it might have been different. When a fighter does that its a sure sign that he's hurt but I'd think it could confuse the ref at the same time. There wasnt too much protesting from dudeys corner either.

what was the big deal with mccloskey, someone asked?

he's irish, which supposedly makes him cool.

he's promoted by matchroom, right place right time, etc.

a fighter of his style should be leaner and sharper and should move more. always looked a bit soft to me. was he supposed to have been a top amateur?

Bad stoppage imo, maybe I'm old school, but for me boxing is a men's sport, people are gona get hurt in fights and the whole idea of boxing should be to see if they can get through that wobble. It's all 'ifs, buts and maybe's', people saying that Corley would have stopped him with the next punch and he would have been KO'd badly, who can really say that with any certainty?

It is quite rare to see a stoppage of a guy on his feet who has never been down once in the fight. Whether he'd been wobbled previously or not, whether he was winning or losing the fight, I certainly felt he should have been given the chance to carry on, as I did Crolla in his fight.

The fact it was Ian John lewis really doesn't help matters either, as he has been involved in some shocking decisions previously and in my view isn't fit to be refereeing at any sort of high level.

I do agree about some of the things people are saying about McCloskey, he's nowt special and nothing above Euro level, but it's not really the point in the case of the stoppage.

It's all a matter of personal opinion, but at that time Corley landed the last shot my instinctive reaction was "McCloskey is gone", so I think the stoppage was correct. That was also based around his performance throughout the whole fight - he never seemed at the races, and his nose was badly busted up.

In comparison Ola Afolabi seemed just as hurt on several occasions, but I felt that he was still in the fight, and still had a good chance of getting to Huck.

IJL has dropped the ball many, many times in recent memory, but I think he got this one right. Hearn and co haven't had much to say in protest, which says something.

magnus wrote:It's all a matter of personal opinion, but at that time Corley landed the last shot my instinctive reaction was "McCloskey is gone", so I think the stoppage was correct. That was also based around his performance throughout the whole fight - he never seemed at the races, and his nose was badly busted up.

In comparison Ola Afolabi seemed just as hurt on several occasions, but I felt that he was still in the fight, and still had a good chance of getting to Huck.

IJL has dropped the ball many, many times in recent memory, but I think he got this one right. Hearn and co haven't had much to say in protest, which says something.

Although McCloskey wasn't boxing well, I still had him well in the fight, if it had gone to the judges it surely would have been really tight. Anyone know what the scorecards were at the time of the stoppage out of interest?

mcClosky got exposed for what he is a decent british level fighter (i knwo he isnt brtish lets not get onthat one again please you knwo what i mean). nothing wrong with that either I hasten to add.

I've just read that Corley was behind on all 3 of the judges scorecards.

i still think McCloskey losted against presscot

i still think McCloskey losted against presscot

I cannot believe the judges had McCloskey ahead. It was bad enough listening to Jim Watt and co try and tell us that McCloskey was in the fight. That is shocking. Shame because Paul seems a sound fella, but Corley, who is long since spent at world contention absolutely outclassed and outpunched him practically every step of the way.

I thought Chop Chop boxed a great fight, and credit him with keeping in tip-top condition.

The timing of the stoppage was spot on IMO, but the way it was handled reeked of giving the home boxer another opportunity to clear his head and carry on. John-Lewis knew the time was right, he should have stood by his gut feeling and been clear when he waved the fight off.