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The Law wrote:

Freiheit wrote:Not as vocally as the BBBC. But what made this show bad was it was illegal. When the promotor applied the police for a permite, they said it was sanctioned (as an amateur show). A card have to be sanctioned by either the amateur or pro federation, if not the promotor can get fined.

Interesting. Then why have we listed the show?

No idea, I wasnt me who put it up. I made a topic on it here: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 5#p2855035

Freiheit wrote:

The Law wrote:

Freiheit wrote:Not as vocally as the BBBC. But what made this show bad was it was illegal. When the promotor applied the police for a permite, they said it was sanctioned (as an amateur show). A card have to be sanctioned by either the amateur or pro federation, if not the promotor can get fined.

Interesting. Then why have we listed the show?

No idea, I wasnt me who put it up. I made a topic on it here: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 5#p2855035

Cheers. I have just commented on the topic requesting for the card to be removed.

The Law wrote:

Freiheit wrote:

The Law wrote: Interesting. Then why have we listed the show?

No idea, I wasnt me who put it up. I made a topic on it here: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 5#p2855035

Cheers. I have just commented on the topic requesting for the card to be removed.

Its pretty much the same problem with all "Biggers Better" cards, except the one in France

Freiheit wrote:

The Law wrote:

Freiheit wrote: No idea, I wasnt me who put it up. I made a topic on it here: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 5#p2855035

Cheers. I have just commented on the topic requesting for the card to be removed.

Its pretty much the same problem with all "Biggers Better" cards, except the one in France

I think we need to set a precedent and remove all unsanctioned cards from Boxrec, but that's just my opinion. We need to get some sort of consensus from the rest of the editors. I'll leave that in your capable hands

I agree the precedent needs to be set

Freiheit wrote:

The Law wrote:

Freiheit wrote: No idea, I wasnt me who put it up. I made a topic on it here: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 5#p2855035

Cheers. I have just commented on the topic requesting for the card to be removed.

Its pretty much the same problem with all "Biggers Better" cards, except the one in France

This is something that Lee Kellet Argued with someone about thats an editor on here , i remember reading the thread recently and the editor/mod refused to acknowledge his point , ill see if i can find the thread

edit : heres the thread , its of interest and relation to current topic and kind of makes boxrec look a little hypocritical in my view

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... =my+record

Horse wrote:

Coco wrote:His British license has been taken away, and the BBBoC does not recognise his new one.

Who cares what the BBBofC says? Chisora and Haye are licensed. The BBBofC are not the be all and end all of boxing.

100% agree, there's more to boxing in the uk then them.

kingfinn wrote:

The Law wrote:

kingfinn wrote: The argument would hold more weight if the fight hadnt already been put on the boxrec schedule then withdrawn once the BBBofC kicked up a fuss.

The decision to remove it had nothing to do with the BBBofC kicking up a fuss. Numerous fights are put up and removed on Boxrec on a weekly basis. The site has dozens of editors and errors are occasionally made. In this case an unsanctioned fight was listed by one editor and later removed by another editor. There really is no conspiracy

Sounds reasonable, makes little difference at this point anyway although it did come across as boxrec had bottled it after the BBBofC started complaining so thats what sprang to my mind.

What exactly is there to 'bottle'?

Coco wrote:I agree the precedent needs to be set

Further to my previous message, I have confirmed the procedure with John and the precedent is already in place. We only post the 'results' of unsanctioned fights but we don't post them in the 'schedule'. Therefore, the 'result' of Haye v Chisora may be added, as it was done with the Danish show mentioned by Freihet.

The clarification is wrong in my view. If the fight is licensed which it is clearly going to be then it should be scheduled.

Are boxrec going to be impartial on this issue or are they going to take sides. That is not an accusation merely a question.
I only ask this politely as the vast majority of articles are of a negative tone, yet boxrec have rarely explored the positive tones of this fight. One being thousands of people have already purchased tickets so want to see the fight.

Whether people agree with the fight taking place it is huge. Thousands will attend the fight, and many more thousands will watch the fight in pubs, clubs and in their houses, you can guarentee that.

cockneygymrat wrote:The clarification is wrong in my view. If the fight is licensed which it is clearly going to be then it should be scheduled.

Are boxrec going to be impartial on this issue or are they going to take sides. That is not an accusation merely a question.
I only ask this politely as the vast majority of articles are of a negative tone, yet boxrec have rarely explored the positive tones of this fight. One being thousands of people have already purchased tickets so want to see the fight.

Whether people agree with the fight taking place it is huge. Thousands will attend the fight, and many more thousands will watch the fight in pubs, clubs and in their houses, you can guarentee that.

Both the BBBofC and LBF have the same legal claim to sanctioning a fight, or not. If Luxenbourg denounced Pac vs Bradley would it be taken of the schedule? DD

cockneygymrat wrote:The clarification is wrong in my view. If the fight is licensed which it is clearly going to be then it should be scheduled.

Have a read of the thread - I think this has been addressed.

cockneygymrat wrote: I only ask this politely as the vast majority of articles are of a negative tone, yet boxrec have rarely explored the positive tones of this fight.

PM me an article outlining the positives and I'll have a look.

dondada wrote:

cockneygymrat wrote: I only ask this politely as the vast majority of articles are of a negative tone, yet boxrec have rarely explored the positive tones of this fight.

PM me an article outlining the positives and I'll have a look.

Its attracting new members to come to forums and talk about boxing, thats surely a good thing!

stujones wrote:

dondada wrote:

cockneygymrat wrote: I only ask this politely as the vast majority of articles are of a negative tone, yet boxrec have rarely explored the positive tones of this fight.

PM me an article outlining the positives and I'll have a look.

Its attracting new members to come to forums and talk about boxing, thats surely a good thing!

8)

dondada wrote:

stujones wrote:

dondada wrote: PM me an article outlining the positives and I'll have a look.

Its attracting new members to come to forums and talk about boxing, thats surely a good thing!

8)

I doubt they new members!

We live by EU rules now and the Haye vs Chisora has been legitimately sanctioned by one of the oldest boxing sanctioning bodies in Europe and the proper medical and saftey measures have been put in place. The British boxing board are not needed to make this legitimate, infact every single professional boxing card could be put on in Britain as long as there is sanctioning by a EU regulated body.

Both boxers are young, fit and able to fight and are probably the 2 best current British Heavyweights and maybe even Top 10 Ring too.

For boxrec to not to list this fight is the most hypocrital, stupid and actually illegal move they've yet made and i demand to know who within Boxrec actually made the decision!

and whilst you're at it too you may as well go back and delete about 100 fights off the Boxrec Jimmy Wilde record and countless other records too.

exittored wrote:For boxrec to not to list this fight is the most hypocrital, stupid and actually illegal move they've yet made and i demand to know who within Boxrec actually made the decision!

dondada wrote:

exittored wrote:For boxrec to not to list this fight is the most hypocrital, stupid and actually illegal move they've yet made and i demand to know who within Boxrec actually made the decision!

Well i was exaggerating there a bit :)

exittored wrote:

dondada wrote:

exittored wrote:For boxrec to not to list this fight is the most hypocrital, stupid and actually illegal move they've yet made and i demand to know who within Boxrec actually made the decision!

Well i was exaggerating there a bit :)

Boxrec's position, as far as I understand it, is to consider all non-BBBofC shows in Britain as 'unlicensed'. The term unlicensed is a complete misnomer, but the point is that they have taken that stance and are sticking by it with this fight.

I said in an earlier forum post that if Boxrec put this fight up, they'll have all the other bodies staging shows in Britain on their back for not putting their fights up. It's a can of worms/nightmare. Boxrec should be applauded for sticking to their original stance.

Wake up call wrote:Boxrec's position, as far as I understand it, is to consider all non-BBBofC shows in Britain as 'unlicensed'. The term unlicensed is a complete misnomer, but the point is that they have taken that stance and are sticking by it with this fight.

I said in an earlier forum post that if Boxrec put this fight up, they'll have all the other bodies staging shows in Britain on their back for not putting their fights up. It's a can of worms/nightmare. Boxrec should be applauded for sticking to their original stance.

I read your previous post in the other thread and you made some good points but it was inherently wrong as Haye vs Chisora has a legitimate licence from a EU regulated sporting body wheras 'unlicensed' shows don't or would not be sanctioned by the Luxembourg Boxing Federation.

Lets be honest the BBBofC are a two bob organisation who without the said promoter they're now turning against would have gone bankrupt many many times, hell even the creator of this site used to work/liaise with said promoter.

The BBBofC are to blame in the first place for withdrawing Chisoras license indefinately....i'm pretty sure under EU rules they were actually breaking some type of law by withholding a humans right to work in their chosen field, they should have just slapped a 3 or 6 month ban on him and let every one move on.

BBBofC have just got their knickers in a twist because they're getting no sanctioning fees or backhanders for the fight, didn't stop them when they were more then happy to let Mike Tyson fight in this country.

exittored wrote:

Wake up call wrote:Boxrec's position, as far as I understand it, is to consider all non-BBBofC shows in Britain as 'unlicensed'. The term unlicensed is a complete misnomer, but the point is that they have taken that stance and are sticking by it with this fight.

I said in an earlier forum post that if Boxrec put this fight up, they'll have all the other bodies staging shows in Britain on their back for not putting their fights up. It's a can of worms/nightmare. Boxrec should be applauded for sticking to their original stance.

I read your previous post in the other thread and you made some good points but it was inherently wrong as Haye vs Chisora has a legitimate licence from a EU regulated sporting body wheras 'unlicensed' shows don't or would not be sanctioned by the Luxembourg Boxing Federation.

Lets be honest the BBBofC are a two bob organisation who without the said promoter they're now turning against would have gone bankrupt many many times, hell even the creator of this site used to work/liaise with said promoter.

The BBBofC are to blame in the first place for withdrawing Chisoras license indefinately....i'm pretty sure under EU rules they were actually breaking some type of law by withholding a humans right to work in their chosen field, they should have just slapped a 3 or 6 month ban on him and let every one move on.

BBBofC have just got their knickers in a twist because they're getting no sanctioning fees or backhanders for the fight, didn't stop them when they were more then happy to let Mike Tyson fight in this country.

What has Tyson got to do with it? He served his time both for in ring and out of ring activities and was licenced to fight by the NASC. The UK border agency are the ones that could be blamed here for allowing him in the Country.

exittored wrote:

Wake up call wrote:Boxrec's position, as far as I understand it, is to consider all non-BBBofC shows in Britain as 'unlicensed'. The term unlicensed is a complete misnomer, but the point is that they have taken that stance and are sticking by it with this fight.

I said in an earlier forum post that if Boxrec put this fight up, they'll have all the other bodies staging shows in Britain on their back for not putting their fights up. It's a can of worms/nightmare. Boxrec should be applauded for sticking to their original stance.

I read your previous post in the other thread and you made some good points but it was inherently wrong as Haye vs Chisora has a legitimate licence from a EU regulated sporting body wheras 'unlicensed' shows don't or would not be sanctioned by the Luxembourg Boxing Federation.

Lets be honest the BBBofC are a two bob organisation who without the said promoter they're now turning against would have gone bankrupt many many times, hell even the creator of this site used to work/liaise with said promoter.

The BBBofC are to blame in the first place for withdrawing Chisoras license indefinately....i'm pretty sure under EU rules they were actually breaking some type of law by withholding a humans right to work in their chosen field, they should have just slapped a 3 or 6 month ban on him and let every one move on.

BBBofC have just got their knickers in a twist because they're getting no sanctioning fees or backhanders for the fight, didn't stop them when they were more then happy to let Mike Tyson fight in this country.

This is where you are wrong. EU regulated? The EBF etc are governed by exactly the same EU laws as the EBU, Lux Box etc. None are EU regulated, there is no such thing, otherwise the so-called 'unlicensed' wouldn't be 'unlicensed' they would be illegal. Under EU laws, the unlicensed bodies are on the same ground as the so called licensed bodies. This fight is being licensed by a self appointed affliated to another self appointed body and being fought against by another self appointed body.

Think you need to go an learn about statutory organisations, the European Union and how boxing is set up before you say anything is wrong.

stujones wrote:

exittored wrote:

Wake up call wrote:Boxrec's position, as far as I understand it, is to consider all non-BBBofC shows in Britain as 'unlicensed'. The term unlicensed is a complete misnomer, but the point is that they have taken that stance and are sticking by it with this fight.

I said in an earlier forum post that if Boxrec put this fight up, they'll have all the other bodies staging shows in Britain on their back for not putting their fights up. It's a can of worms/nightmare. Boxrec should be applauded for sticking to their original stance.

I read your previous post in the other thread and you made some good points but it was inherently wrong as Haye vs Chisora has a legitimate licence from a EU regulated sporting body wheras 'unlicensed' shows don't or would not be sanctioned by the Luxembourg Boxing Federation.

Lets be honest the BBBofC are a two bob organisation who without the said promoter they're now turning against would have gone bankrupt many many times, hell even the creator of this site used to work/liaise with said promoter.

The BBBofC are to blame in the first place for withdrawing Chisoras license indefinately....i'm pretty sure under EU rules they were actually breaking some type of law by withholding a humans right to work in their chosen field, they should have just slapped a 3 or 6 month ban on him and let every one move on.

BBBofC have just got their knickers in a twist because they're getting no sanctioning fees or backhanders for the fight, didn't stop them when they were more then happy to let Mike Tyson fight in this country.

What has Tyson got to do with it? He served his time both for in ring and out of ring activities and was licenced to fight by the NASC. The UK border agency are the ones that could be blamed here for allowing him in the Country.

Spot on