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Re: After 27 years of boxing, i am throwing in the towel

Posted: 26 Jun 2012, 06:01
by Datsue
King Geedorah wrote:I wish Evander Holyfield had started this thread.
:OhYes:

Unfortunately, if he had started it, it would be called "Why I am rededicating myself to boxing for at least another 27 years".
oliverfennell wrote: Pornsawan Porpramook v Akira Yaegashi and Kompayak Porpramook vs Adrien Hernandez were the two best fights of last year.
Yes. Is that not implicit from our fanwank over the bodyshots thrown during the Porpramook/Hernandez fight, Oliver? If not I assure you that in private we've both ejaculated over that fight, many many times.

I thought the Yaegashi-Porprmook affair, whilst scintillating, suffered a bit from the Japanese basically kicking the living shit out of Porpramook, with the Thai stubbornly refusing to go away & fighting without any regard to his health. Although spectacular on first viewing (first time I'd watched Yaegashi, who is a nutter), on reflection Propramook vs Hernandez was the greater fight, because both seemed able to do the other at any moment. Yaegashi's biggest worry in his Porpramook fight was breaking his hands on the Thai's head, after about five rounds.

Having watched it repeatedly, I assure you that Ioka vs Yaegashi (the specific fight that C-P & I were comparing Porpramook vs Hernandez to) is a better fight than Y vs P, but not quite as good as the Thai/Mexican matchup. For reasons I've already elaborated upon, it's technically up there, but nowhere near as brutal because neither of them are as ridiculously destructive as Kompayak or Hernandez, nor do they fight with such a Macho disregard for their health.

Phew. I can see now why boxing fans don't get into the lighter weight fighters. After years of me thinking they didn't appreciate the skills/were subtly racist/had a thing for fat blokes, I can now see that they just didn't want to type their names out fifty times over.

Re: After 27 years of boxing, i am throwing in the towel

Posted: 26 Jun 2012, 06:36
by Counter-puncher
hahaha. it gets confusing.

Re: After 27 years of boxing, i am throwing in the towel

Posted: 26 Jun 2012, 06:46
by Kilburn
Recently I watched Riddick Bowe v Pierre Coetzer for the first time, and that magnificent tussle only served to further highlight to me how far standards have fallen in the heavyweight division in terms of the ability of fighters to produce a thrilling spectacle. The work rate just isn't there.

I'm a long way from giving up though. I got around to watching Soto v Matthyese last night and was in the zone all the way through. There are quality matches to be made all the time throughout the weight divisions, and unless I'm imagining it, the big showdowns happen much more regularly today than they did say 10 years ago.

Re: After 27 years of boxing, i am throwing in the towel

Posted: 26 Jun 2012, 17:17
by Quixall
BIGMARK wrote:
King Geedorah wrote:I wish Evander Holyfield had started this thread.
i have often been mistaken for Evander and you never know i could really be him
Mark..............Stay off the beers, your drinking your profits :shame:

Re: After 27 years of boxing, i am throwing in the towel

Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 07:48
by Bricks
Quixall wrote:As you have stated Mark, i too have written a similar article a few weeks back. The fact that i still read on these pages occasionally is testament to the fact that i haven't cut my nose off to spite my face and as you put it " am watching from a distance.....". I would say that the only fighters i would tune into watch are Mayweather, Haye, Khan, Froch, Fury, Brook and Galahad. I would also say Rhodes, but after his defeat, a fight i didn't watch incidently, i think he is not far off retirement now. I am not interested in any other fighters, whether they are at international or domestic level, which indicates how low my interest in the sport has dropped. I will certainly not be stopping up late to watch a trans-atlantic fight or any of the undercards, so i will perhaps tune in to watch ten fights per year maximum.

As DamienHucker said, when you have loved the sport, i don't think you can give it up entirely, just go into semi-retirement and i can totally understand where you are coming from, as you highlight, with your four friends who have visited recently. I do not read any boxing magazines and rarely read boxing columns or articles, unless something excites me about a fight or it's a fighter i would follow. The recent story about Larry being banned for four years also highlights what a state boxing is in and as you state, it's a sport that is dying, that is watched by decreasing numbers of people. You will hear a lot of people say " It's always gone on........" and yes it has, but to what degree was it going on before and fans are more likely to turn a blind eye if there are quality fighters around and their own enthusiam is high because of thise quality fighters.

It has to be said that whilst you do have one or two real quality fighters around, they are diminishing year on year and essentially are not being replaced by the new generation of fighters. You can name the real quailty fighters who are coming up on one hand, the likes of Broner, Alverez and Gamboa, but gone are the days of Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Toney, Jones, Mosley, Whitaker, De La Hoya, Camacho etc, they will be replaced to some degree, but not of that quality and not in the same numbers. The Americans aren't producing amateur fighters in anything like the same numbers and they way the amateur system has changed, via the points system, isn't a good way of developing a fighting style that can be progressed into the professional ranks. The old school trainers are fast dissapearing, taking with them a vast expanse of knowledge that can't be replaced easily and now we seem a Mayweather as supreme, when he should be seen more as the norm.

I think the final straw for me, was the bad decisions that have been getting more regular of late, the silly multi-championship titles within the same organisation, not to mention the alphabet titles on offer from the various governing bodies, confusing and diluting the title of "world champion", so that your average guy in the street can't name any. The miss-matches, the doping scandals, top ranked fighters not fighting each other, the tedious promotor wars, the legal actions, the hype and bullshit, not to mention the cost of watching or attending a fight. I think it hits those of us harder that have watched the sport with such intnsity over the years, it's as if bad decisions etc go deeper and whilst not being naive, we are looking for a more pure version of the sport. I will keep my head in from time to time and come on here occasionally and watch the odd fight that appeals and i hope you do the same.

Cheers Buddy,

Quix
Brilliant post and exactly how i have felt and what i have complained of in regards to boxing for the last 5-6 years.....