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Posted: **04 Sep 2012, 16:41**

The Dark Destroyer wrote:I'm not criticising Froch. I'm criticising the idea that Hearn is a 'proper promoter' as you put it, and any different than Warren. Hearn's leading two fighters are fighting poor fights next.

If you can be arsed - which you won't be, I'm sure - go and have a look and compare their promotions over the last year or so then.

Posted: **04 Sep 2012, 16:50**

The Dark Destroyer wrote:
dondada wrote:
The Dark Destroyer wrote: What about Kell Brook's next opponent? Hardly a leading light at welterweight is he? Is he even ranked in the top ten of any sanctioning body?
Eh? Brook is trying to get an IBF title shot. He and his next opponent - Saldivia - are the top two rated in their division (two and three).
Ha! He is as well.

There goes my argument. You know, when this fight was ordered I read a small article about it online, I'd never heard of Saldiva so I went to see where he was in the rankings and I genuinely didn't see him, I think he was about 13th in the WBC or something like that, I must have just misread the IBF's rankings completely.

Still, Mack is a poor fight. I have no problem with it because of Froch's last few fights but Hearn is a boxing promoter, he's no different than the rest.

Easily done...I don't follow international boxing that closely any more and certainly don't follow rankings unless there's a purpose. I'm not saying Hearn is the second coming but he's putting on far better shows than FW of late.

Posted: **04 Sep 2012, 22:25**

taffytoon wrote: I have said all along that I would like to see champions fighting champions, yes the opponents are inferior and of course I would love to see Nathan fighting big named fighters, unfortunately as is the case far too often he is fighting unheard of Europeans. That said all the members on here that could do a complete U TURN had Bellew won the title is a joke, I stated right from the start that Bellew v Cleverly should not have been for a world title and that Tony was not at world class, is Nathan? Who knows, I honestly believe that when tested he will come up with the goods, I know the kid has a heart of a lion and would fight absolutely anybody put in front of him without question, yes it is disappointing to see a talent not being tested but until he starts demanding better fights it is what it is. I wish him all the luck in the world and hope he goes on to fulfill his true potential, it is just so boring and annoying reading the same old crap from the same old posters most of which are Bellew supporters.

I hear you mate. I remain a fan of both fighters and just want to see them in defining fights that maximize their potential. My fear is that won't happen while Nathan remains with his current promoter

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 06:09**

taffytoon wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:lol, I love how Hopkins describes Cleverley as 'from England'. I think he did that with Calzaghe too. It's clearly just ignorance but it would be funny if he was doing it deliberately to try and wind him up.

If I was Hopkins, I would seriously consider actually taking this fight. Low risk and decent reward as Warren would promote it well. Cleverly would be Bernard's first stoppage victim since Oscar. He would just toy with the Welshman before stopping him.
Like Bellew was going to destroy him in 2

Firstly, I didn't give a rat's ass about the Cleverly/Bellew fight, so if you're implying I predicted Bellew to stop him you're wrong, and secondly, it looks like you are actually comparing Bellew to Bernard Hopkins, in which case good day to you sir and good luck in your blind fanaticism!

It's also funny that Hopkins would say to Warren don't use my name to promote Cleverly, but then u-turns and says he is willing to fight him after all.

Bernard is going to be shocked how easy this assignment is. He hasn't fought anyone on Cleverly's level since Morrade Hakkar (although, to be fair, he did fight a good few bums at middleweight before that).

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 06:21**

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Bernard is going to be shocked how easy this assignment is. He hasn't fought anyone on Cleverly's level since Morrade Hakkar (although, to be fair, he did fight a good few bums at middleweight before that).

Larry Merchant: 'Bernard, you got paid for doing nothing tonight.'
B-Hope: 'You get paid for doing nothing every night, Larry.'

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 06:56**

smoggy7188 wrote:BERNARD HOPKINS EX ‏@THEREALBHOP
@allegedly_tv stop using my name to promote ur BUM titleholder.. nate clevery.

HAHAHA I'm in stiches!

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 07:01**

BHop never turned the fight down... he said he'll fight Clev, Warren's just namedropping! And Bellew is by far a better opponant

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 07:03**

Just in...

@allegedly_tv after ur guy fight oct 27 we can get deal done!

from BHop

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 07:17**

Taking away the thoughts of whether Cleverly is world championship material or not, this whole situation demonstrates the luncay of having four 'major' world title belts. Clearly there aren't enough credible challengers out there for four champions.

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 08:51**

danconnollyeire wrote:BHop never turned the fight down... he said he'll fight Clev, Warren's just namedropping! And Bellew is by far a better opponant

Just checking, when you say Bellew is 'by far a better opponent' - are you really talking in comparison to Bernard Hopkins or have I overdone the hallucinogens again?

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 08:54**

Riddick Blowe wrote:
danconnollyeire wrote:BHop never turned the fight down... he said he'll fight Clev, Warren's just namedropping! And Bellew is by far a better opponant
Just checking, when you say Bellew is 'by far a better opponent' - are you really talking in comparison to Bernard Hopkins or have I overdone the hallucinogens again?

I think the chap means Bellew is better than the bloke he'll actually be fighting...

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 09:09**

dondada wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:
danconnollyeire wrote:BHop never turned the fight down... he said he'll fight Clev, Warren's just namedropping! And Bellew is by far a better opponant
Just checking, when you say Bellew is 'by far a better opponent' - are you really talking in comparison to Bernard Hopkins or have I overdone the hallucinogens again?
I think the chap means Bellew is better than the bloke he'll actually be fighting...

Yea I do lol cheers

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 11:20**

Nice little Twitter war going on between gorgeous Eddie and Fwank regarding the 'offer' for Clev to fight Froch.

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 11:42**

Easy payday or not,Hearns plan is for Froch to have a defense in Nottingham then get get the Bute rematch(should be for good money) over with, then try to get Kessler over for next summer.I dont think fwank ever expected Hearn to take the fight for those reasons and he also knows Clev would get beat and also it would have to be huge money for Hearn to agree for Froch to fight on allegedly considering his relationship with Sky it was never going to happen,It`s a insult to Froch to have Clev mentioned in the same breath as him personaly.Fwank should try to get Clev some credabile fights befofe they even think to fight Froch.

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 12:13**

Frank making Hearn look a bit silly here

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 12:19**

Camcas wrote:Frank making Hearn look a bit silly here

Not really, just himself imo.Is it the fight fans want to see ?No but fwanks getting some publicity for bandana boy

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 12:29**

ashedward wrote:
Camcas wrote:Frank making Hearn look a bit silly here
Not really, just himself imo.Is it the fight fans want to see ?No but fwanks getting some publicity for bandana boy

I'd rather see Froch V Cleverly than Froch v Mack and Cleverly v Uzelkov, and Eddie arguaments don't add up

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 13:02**

Eddie Hearn ‏@EddieHearn
@allegedly_tv @THEREALBHOP @Carl_Froch 'a v good written offer' #allegedly

Good to see Eddie knows the rules regarding old wazza "allegedly"

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 13:16**

Camcas wrote:
ashedward wrote:
Camcas wrote:Frank making Hearn look a bit silly here
Not really, just himself imo.Is it the fight fans want to see ?No but fwanks getting some publicity for bandana boy
I'd rather see Froch V Cleverly than Froch v Mack and Cleverly v Uzelkov, and Eddie arguaments don't add up

They do mate because Froch wants to stay at supermiddle,not move up to lightheavy and fight a wbo beltholder in Cardif on allegedly for a little bit more money then he is going to get fighting Mack on Sky,it`s a pointless debate because the fight will never happen because of tv deals.If Clev beats someone like Cloud then the fight would be more interesting but untill then i would rather him fight Kessler once he has dealt with Bute.Clev is at the level Froch was before he fought Pascal so he has a little work to do imo if he wants a huge purse against someone like Froch( no matter how many welshies fwank could get hyped for this).

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 13:20**

Interesting Mack turned down Clev to fight Froch, guess Eddie was offering more money than allegedly.

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 18:14**

Just goes to show you can still get publicity for your fighter off the back of bigger and better names.

Look at everyone discussing it here. Clev is the most paper of champions in the entire sport right now. His strap is doing him more harm than good right now. If he mixed in real world class he would find himself outclassed and risking his health.

Posted: **05 Sep 2012, 18:28**

I feel sorry forCleverly, everyone taking the piss out of him now

lol Steve Bunce "telling like it is" as usual

Frank is making a laughing stock of Cleverly

Posted: **05 Oct 2012, 17:22**

Fight cancelled and he is now on the undercard of Abner Mares definding his WBC Bantamweight title against Anselmo Moreno at the Staples Centre LA on November 10th. Opponent yet to be named but it is a Golden Boy promoted card with would add to speculation that it is a showcase for a possible clash with Hopkins

Posted: **05 Oct 2012, 17:37**

dve3333 wrote:Fight cancelled and he is now on the undercard of Abner Mares definding his WBC Bantamweight title against Anselmo Moreno at the Staples Centre LA on November 10th. Opponent yet to be named but it is a Golden Boy promoted card with would add to speculation that it is a showcase for a possible clash with Hopkins

Fighting on someone elses card? What an ingrate!

Posted: **06 Oct 2012, 00:10**

why are you changing the title of threads? just make a new one instead

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