it pains me to say

[loaded_gloves]

I'm not painting him as a bum. I am simply illustrating quite clearly that he is not a puncher and is highly unlikely to crack the great and good chins of heavyweight history.

[Dixonian]

Wlad 'won' that fight? Are you serious?

I admire Evander Holyfield's honesty, after the first Lewis/Holyfield bore.

"Neither of us deserved to win".

Nobody 'won' Klitschko/Ibragimov or Klitschko/Haye. Also, the only two men who posed a little threat and had some defensive nous and Wladimir was scared into being even more defensive and the result was brutal tedium.

You need a bit of Marciano/Walcott 1 to repair your eyes after watching Wladimir Klitschko.

No. If Holyfield was being honest, he would have said: I didn't deserve to win. And I'm afraid there were winners in the Klitschko-Ibragimov/Haye fights. Blimey, I'm glad you don't compile the BoxRec records!

[Dixonian]

What people are forgetting is that Wlad has an incredible jab, and it is difficult to get inside. Once Haye realised that, his whole camp went out of the window. People also don't see how good Wlad's footwork is. These are the subtleties that most fighters find when they step in the ring after months of 'oh, I will just get round the jab and deck him...easy'

Some on here are talking like Haye lost the fight and Wlad didn't win it. .

I think Wlad deserves a bit more respect than what he is being shown

Correct. It's his footwork which is vastly underrated. Enables him to fight at the distance most suited to him. And that's why, unless you are a similarly sized athletic boxer or shorter faster aggressive fighter with excellent fundamentals, it's going to be a big ask to defeat him.

[loaded_gloves]

Even the fiercely pro-Lennox Lewis Boxing Monthly stated on their cover for Holyfield/Lewis: 'Fit Up? Oh Shut Up. Contrived Controversy Doesn't Disguise That Neither Man Delivered'.

But I suppose you know better, Dixonian.

[Dixonian]

Even the fiercely pro-Lennox Lewis Boxing Monthly stated on their cover for Holyfield/Lewis: 'Fit Up? Oh Shut Up. Contrived Controversy Doesn't Disguise That Neither Man Delivered'.

But I suppose you know better, Dixonian.

Correct.

[mickey1975]

You are clearly using stats to try and prove your point. The truth is, America simply have nobody to even be competitive with either Klits or Haye and have not for the past 10 years. It is embarrasing for a country that size with such a rich history. We will never know who would have won mythical matches, its just as easy for me to say Vitali would have won all in one round, not that i would. Steve Cunningham has relied on a Pole and a Brit to publicise his last fight and his next one, and thats in his own country. Its embarrasing.