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Controversial wrote:Surprised no one has mentioned Sugar Ray Leonard

Good call.

Controversial wrote:Surprised no one has mentioned Sugar Ray Leonard

i will only mention leonard when it is in negative light

i am a hater





























































no it was a good call leonard had a hell of a resume
but i am still a hater

MEISINGER wrote:

Controversial wrote:Surprised no one has mentioned Sugar Ray Leonard

i will only mention leonard when it is in negative light

i am a hater





























































no it was a good call leonard had a hell of a resume
but i am still a hater

Leonard deserves hatred, he was a fantastic fighter and a putrid human being.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Leonard deserves hatred, he was a fantastic fighter and a putrid human being.

and he kicks puppies

MEISINGER wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Leonard deserves hatred, he was a fantastic fighter and a putrid human being.

and he kicks puppies

one guy who fought all the best heavyweights of his days
but hardly ever won.

everit bigfoot martin

looking at his record it was a virtual who's who
of the 80's to 2000's

















































and he did not kick puppies

Il Duce wrote:Vito Antuofermo,,,,,,

And he 'ate' puppies......with a side order of Spaghetti.

I didn't know Vito was so mean!

Azumah Nelson from Salvador Sanchez onwards, from 1982 till 1998 when he rematched Leija

and dare I say Naseem Hamed.

Old bones Ian wrote:Azumah Nelson from Salvador Sanchez onwards, from 1982 till 1998 when he rematched Leija

and dare I say Naseem Hamed.

No doubt with Azumah. Had a couple softy tuneups, but who didn't?

It all depends on your skill level, on paper Oscar was matched tough early in his career but in reality he was way above the people he was fighting. I’m not picking on the golden boy it’s just one of those things.

Like the first poster nominated Steve Little and he’s right because Little was a limited fighter (let’s say a 6 out of 10 in terms of talent) who fought a lot of people at and above his level of ability.

Example of a modern warrior Carl Froch (7.5 to 8 out of 10)

He fought Pascal (7.5), Taylor (7.5), Dirrell (8), Kessler (8), Abraham (7.5), Johnson (7.5) and Ward (9) in consecutive fights.

Norris had a couple of DK goons as gimmies during his reign but he was matched fairly hard almost his whole career.

He fought a number of future world champs and title challengers prior to winning the title and also fought a fair few once champ. Of course he also had the misfortune of facing Julian Jackson in his first title tilt.

Alot of the Thai boxers have been matched hard, as they have alot of experience in Thai boxing before turning to western boxing.

Saensak Muangsurin springs to mind

Old bones Ian wrote:Azumah Nelson from Salvador Sanchez onwards, from 1982 till 1998 when he rematched Leija

and dare I say Naseem Hamed.

Neslon yes.
Hamed no way.

The subject matter is matched tough, so I'll give you matched tough. How about a guy who, in his first 20 fights was thrown in with Hurricane Carter, Don Fullmer, Georgie Benton, Rory Calhoun, Henry Hank and Holly Mims (twice). Then moved up to heavy and fought Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier (twice), Floyd Patterson, Oscar Bonavena, Jerry Quarry, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, George Chuvalo, Joe Bugner and Leotis Martin. And he did it in 53 fights. I give you Jimmy Ellis.

Scartissue

scartissue wrote:The subject matter is matched tough, so I'll give you matched tough. How about a guy who, in his first 20 fights was thrown in with Hurricane Carter, Don Fullmer, Georgie Benton, Rory Calhoun, Henry Hank and Holly Mims (twice). Then moved up to heavy and fought Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier (twice), Floyd Patterson, Oscar Bonavena, Jerry Quarry, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, George Chuvalo, Joe Bugner and Leotis Martin. And he did it in 53 fights. I give you Jimmy Ellis.

Scartissue

damn good resume

Jake LaMotta fought a lot of good competition throughout his career. About 40 fights vs fighters in top 10/ or the champion. Also had a lot fights vs fringe contenders.

Not one that comes up often but how about Brian London, some of the names on his record include Henry Cooper (x2), Willie Pastrano (x2), Joe Erskine, Floyd Patterson, Roger Rischer, Jerry Quarry (x2), Eddie Machen, Dick Richardson, Billy Walker, Thad Spencer, Joe Bugner, Muhammad Ali, Amos Johnson, Ingemar Johansson, Nino Valdes, Pete Rademacher, Tom McNeeley, Jack Bodell, Henry Clark and Zora Folley. Not bad at all.

Flump wrote:Not one that comes up often but how about Brian London, some of the names on his record include Henry Cooper (x2), Willie Pastrano (x2), Joe Erskine, Floyd Patterson, Roger Rischer, Jerry Quarry (x2), Eddie Machen, Dick Richardson, Billy Walker, Thad Spencer, Joe Bugner, Muhammad Ali, Amos Johnson, Ingemar Johansson, Nino Valdes, Pete Rademacher, Tom McNeeley, Jack Bodell, Henry Clark and Zora Folley. Not bad at all.

No, not bad indeed.

Jorge Amparo, from his debut to his last fight, almost all against at least decent fighters. Incredible.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=816&cat=boxer

Flump wrote:Jorge Amparo, from his debut to his last fight, almost all against at least decent fighters. Incredible.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=816&cat=boxer

Wow, apparently he wanted every beating he could sign up for.

Flump wrote:Jorge Amparo, from his debut to his last fight, almost all against at least decent fighters. Incredible.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=816&cat=boxer

a resume like that and only knocked out 2 times

may not of won many but he was not afraid of anyone
much respect

BoxBuzz wrote:

Flump wrote:Jorge Amparo, from his debut to his last fight, almost all against at least decent fighters. Incredible.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=816&cat=boxer

Wow, apparently he wanted every beating he could sign up for.

Carl Froch most definitely. Gatti fought Patterson twice, Manfredy, De la Hoya, Mayweather, Ivan Robinson x2, Ruelas and the Ward trilogy of course. Ward's career was also filled with tough fights. I spose in their case, if you're not quite in the elite, you can't choose your pay day so got to get there the hard way and then be the underdog when the biggie arrives!

Ali's also a good argument. When he came back from his exile he jumped straight in with Quarry rather than having any easy tune ups. then again, there weren't many soft touches in the Heavyweight division back in the 60s and 70s so pretty any top heavy can argue tough matchmaking!

Il Duce wrote:Can't argue with Arturo Gatti,,,,,

He even made his easy bouts,,,,,,,,Wars !!!!

Like Sanabria, Rodriguez and Grove. All supposed to have been easy wins for Gatti.