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I paid to see Chisora/Fury. Chisora was a disgrace that night, never forgiven him. By the way did Chisora not get to box tonight? I've been flicking channels ffor the show's in England and might have missed Chisora?

I'm not sure if he's boxed. The Warren card doesn't interest me so I haven't been following it.

Shane Cameron has come out and said he's taking a year out of boxing to give his body a rest so it's all hypothetical anyway.

I'm not participating in this silly justify Shane Cameron stuff. He was massively average and has got out if the heavyweight decision because he knew he was going absolutely nowhere in world terms. Knocking out an aged and brittle Monte Barrett does not mean very much, even if a shot to pieces David Tua can no longer manage it.

Chisora was dreadful tonight. Powder punches and unfit as usual. On tonights display Cameron would hammer him.

Craigyid14 wrote:Chisora was dreadful tonight. Powder punches and unfit as usual. On tonights display Cameron would hammer him.

Well the Cameron that got hammered by by David Tua didn't look so crash-hot either. And isn't Cameron taking a year off cos his body is knackered? Why does that fact invoke such confidence in him being able to beat even an out of shape Chisora in a 12 round fight?

because he show's heart in the ring, and he's super fit. That's enough to beat Chisora.

crusader wrote:

Sprott?
Give me 20, because i cant even think of 12 fighters better than Cameron(not just based on record). He deserves to be in a top 20 imo.

Cameron deserves to be in that top 20 division, especially after that great KO of Barrett.

I think everyone in the top 25 of the BoxRec rankings, and several fighters outside the top 25, are arguably better than Cameron. I have no problem with him being in the lowest parts of the top 25, but I don't think he deserves to be close to 12, even if rankings aren't just based on records.

Cameron's best win was over a 40+ Barrett, who has won 1 fight in the last 5 years, and Cameron doesn't have any notable wins apart from that; what do you consider his next best HW win? And in which fights has he shown top 12 ability?

Ok, i might have stretched it a little by saying 12 but Cameron is a top 20 level boxer. I don't even like Cameron and i think he deserves to be in the top 20 based on ability alone. We will just have to wait and see what he does next. Cameron caught Barrett clean, it had nothing to do with his age imo.

If Cameron disappears for a year or more, I would say he is semi-retired. He can come back and beat some Aussie nobodies as he was before Green, and he can fight a proper fighter and get hammered. That's his future! Lol

And Chisora's an opponent. That's all. I'd back John Mcdermott against him (wouldn't want to watch it though) I wouldn't back Big bad John against Cameron though. Anyway Cameron's not top 20 never was and never will be.

Do I really have to do list of 20 heavies who would eat Cameron for breakfast? Lol I mean I'm quite prepared to trim your marginals, Sprott and Chisora off ...that still leaves Price, Haye, Fury, etc in the UK. Harrison probably too. Europe is so rich for pickings - less well known figures like Alexander Ustinov and Alexander Dimitrenko would have an easy time with him. That 20 list would full up in absolutely no time!

I said I don't believe Cameron is or was top 20. The Sprott of today wouldn't beat him either though. Not Fraudley either. Price,Haye and Fury are givens though. Hard to think of an American though and alot of the eastern europeans would simply outjab him and bust up his face, he cuts easily. How much of Cameron have you seen? In world terms he's over-rated but he's a big puncher.

Craigyid14 wrote:I said I don't believe Cameron is or was top 20. The Sprott of today wouldn't beat him either though. Not Fraudley either. Price,Haye and Fury are givens though. Hard to think of an American though and alot of the eastern europeans would simply outjab him and bust up his face, he cuts easily. How much of Cameron have you seen? In world terms he's over-rated but he's a big puncher.

...but not at cruiser hey! I live in Oz. He wouldn't be favoured against Alex Leapai would he. Alex was well beaten by Kevin Johnson, but I'd be prepared to leave Kingpin off after his meek performance against Tyson Fury. In the USA you have your Wilders, Arreolas, Banks, etc. Leave off Seth Michell I guess as he was exposed. Lets not forget the emergence of Malik Scott and Vyacheslav Glazkov. The list blows out pretty quickly, even without going anywhere near the actual champions.

He's not and never was a cruiser. I for one assumed that he'd take his power down to cruiser, why not? Seems obvious I thought he'd clean up, but he's naturally 210 at lowest probably walks around at 230. Thats got to be a strain to get below 200 (especially to Danny weight). Leapai/Cameron would be a cracker while it lasted.

I wouldn't put Browne on there as certain to beat him, because again he's untested. I can't see any logical reason Cameron was ever in the top 20 heavyweights in the world. In international terms he was simply another wannabe that failed in good journeyman class - in Cameron's case his true heavyweight ambitions were stopped dead by Friday Ahunanya back in 2007, when he was stopped in 12. Granted Cameron is well thought of in Australia, but the harsh reality that in boxing terms that is a very small pond indeed!

polecateddy wrote:I wouldn't put Browne on there as certain to beat him, because again he's untested. I can't see any logical reason Cameron was ever in the top 20 heavyweights in the world. In international terms he was simply another wannabe that failed in good journeyman class - in Cameron's case his true heavyweight ambitions were stopped dead by Friday Ahunanya back in 2007, when he was stopped in 12. Granted Cameron is well thought of in Australia, but the harsh reality that in boxing terms that is a very small pond indeed!

I was at that fight when he fought friday, he ran out of gas, all be it by about the 10th but 2007 mate, it's like saying Carl Thompson beat David Haye! On a side note Carl Thompson/Ezra Sellers!!! Nothing beats that.

Interesting thread.
So I notice people touting the IBO belt and saying "the champ makes the belt" and asking why the other belts are better.
The champ making the belt would imply that he established himself as THE champion of his division.
I must have missed that............when did Green ever establish himself as THE cruiserweight champion?

What makes other belts better than the IBO?
How about actually being recognized by the Hall of Fame. The IBO is not one of the belts recognized by the HOF it is a fringe belt, one of many that claim to be "world titles". The HOF only recognizes the WBO, WBA, WBC and IBF. I'm not positive but I believe they only recognize the highest belt of each sanctioning body as well.
There a numerous sports websites out there that have boxing rankings and list champs of the various sanctioning bodies............most of them do not list the IBO. I checked a bunch of them before typing this and the only one that listed the IBO was BS. If most of the sites that track such things don't bother with the IBO that seems like a pretty good indicator that it is a fringe belt.

With that out of the way.........
I also see that Green seems to be a polarizing character on this forum, people either love him or hate him.

My assessment of Green:
He's a solid fighter that has made the biggest domestic fights he could and was never afraid to hop on a plane for opportunities elsewhere. He made the fights he could get and to my knowledge never sidestepped a fight that made sense. Yes, he cherry-picked some fights but it's not like he's the first boxer that ever pulled that stuff. Danny usually lost his biggest fights but there is no shame in that. He has never won a fight via bullshit decision, is usually competitive in defeat and never gave up on a fight, if he could still stand he was still trying to win.

His best work imo:
1.) Stipe Drews UD 12.....wins his only recognized title
2.) Eric Lucas TKO 6.....defeats a legit world class boxer on the road
3.) BJ Flores UD 12.........Flores unbeaten, naturally bigger, significantly younger.......this kind of win looks good on the resume of any veteran boxer
4.) Shane Cameron UD 12...........another naturally bigger man
5.) Roy Jones jr KO1..............name recognition....would easily be #1 if Roy not already proven to be a shot fighter

Overall, a solid, respectable career, no chance at HOF induction.
Even though he has hit the big 40 I saw nothing in his last fight that said he should stop fighting.

Craigyid14 wrote:

polecateddy wrote:I wouldn't put Browne on there as certain to beat him, because again he's untested. I can't see any logical reason Cameron was ever in the top 20 heavyweights in the world. In international terms he was simply another wannabe that failed in good journeyman class - in Cameron's case his true heavyweight ambitions were stopped dead by Friday Ahunanya back in 2007, when he was stopped in 12. Granted Cameron is well thought of in Australia, but the harsh reality that in boxing terms that is a very small pond indeed!

I was at that fight when he fought friday, he ran out of gas, all be it by about the 10th but 2007 mate, it's like saying Carl Thompson beat David Haye! On a side note Carl Thompson/Ezra Sellers!!! Nothing beats that.

It's not really like Carl Thompson v David Haye is it. Cameron ran out of gas against a journeyman, and then basically departed the international heavy weight scene bar losing badly to David Tua, and beating one of the most vulnerable heavies going, Monte Barrett.

thecrab wrote:Danny should retire.
After listening to his 'partner' it seems he's only in it for the buck
He went 'glove shy' in the last few rounds with the Polish fighter
and now is scrounging for fights to his advantage eg..Cameron had to lose a heap to fight him.
Dont be silly danny cause if u end up punchy...she gets ALL
and u end up bitter, friendless and fundless

What a load of drivel! Lol

Perseus wrote:With that out of the way.........
I also see that Green seems to be a polarizing character on this forum, people either love him or hate him.

My assessment of Green:
He's a solid fighter that has made the biggest domestic fights he could and was never afraid to hop on a plane for opportunities elsewhere. He made the fights he could get and to my knowledge never sidestepped a fight that made sense. Yes, he cherry-picked some fights but it's not like he's the first boxer that ever pulled that stuff. Danny usually lost his biggest fights but there is no shame in that. He has never won a fight via bullshit decision, is usually competitive in defeat and never gave up on a fight, if he could still stand he was still trying to win.

His best work imo:
1.) Stipe Drews UD 12.....wins his only recognized title
2.) Eric Lucas TKO 6.....defeats a legit world class boxer on the road
3.) BJ Flores UD 12.........Flores unbeaten, naturally bigger, significantly younger.......this kind of win looks good on the resume of any veteran boxer
4.) Shane Cameron UD 12...........another naturally bigger man
5.) Roy Jones jr KO1..............name recognition....would easily be #1 if Roy not already proven to be a shot fighter

Overall, a solid, respectable career, no chance at HOF induction.
Even though he has hit the big 40 I saw nothing in his last fight that said he should stop fighting.

Well said. His wins against fringe world class fighters could be factored as well, in order to make his case stronger for not being a hack.

Green was never a hack although his career has a giant * next to it

Hounddawg wrote:

Perseus wrote:With that out of the way.........
I also see that Green seems to be a polarizing character on this forum, people either love him or hate him.

My assessment of Green:
He's a solid fighter that has made the biggest domestic fights he could and was never afraid to hop on a plane for opportunities elsewhere. He made the fights he could get and to my knowledge never sidestepped a fight that made sense. Yes, he cherry-picked some fights but it's not like he's the first boxer that ever pulled that stuff. Danny usually lost his biggest fights but there is no shame in that. He has never won a fight via bullshit decision, is usually competitive in defeat and never gave up on a fight, if he could still stand he was still trying to win.

His best work imo:
1.) Stipe Drews UD 12.....wins his only recognized title
2.) Eric Lucas TKO 6.....defeats a legit world class boxer on the road
3.) BJ Flores UD 12.........Flores unbeaten, naturally bigger, significantly younger.......this kind of win looks good on the resume of any veteran boxer
4.) Shane Cameron UD 12...........another naturally bigger man
5.) Roy Jones jr KO1..............name recognition....would easily be #1 if Roy not already proven to be a shot fighter

Overall, a solid, respectable career, no chance at HOF induction.
Even though he has hit the big 40 I saw nothing in his last fight that said he should stop fighting.

Well said. His wins against fringe world class fighters could be factored as well, in order to make his case stronger for not being a hack.

Outside of those guys he dosent really have any other "fringe" world level victories. Dominguez, Siaca, Briggs, Griffin, Delise ect were either shot to not that good to begin with

Green get owned by mundine then claims he wasn't ay good weight but still fought for world titles at that weight ,what a tosser,c'mon lets gee up another Paul Briggs fight pfftt

go away troll.