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Horse wrote:

Finn wrote:Alot of people ith sight problems may have scored the fight to valuev who did land a punch but that doesnt mean he nearly lost the fight; not one judge scored it to valuev.

It's nothing to do with sight problems, it's to do with people favouring Valuev's workrate over Haye's slight advantage in punch accuracy.

Finn wrote:Do you consider fury world class he hasnt faced a dangerous opponent and won convincingly yet.

He beat Chisora, Cunningham and Johnson convincingly.

He said 'dangerous'...

MarkMcBurney wrote:He said 'dangerous'...

Chisora wasn't considered dangerous when Fury signed up to fight him?

Horse wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:He said 'dangerous'...

Chisora wasn't considered dangerous when Fury signed up to fight him?

Not on the world level, no.

Certainly far less dangerous than when David Haye met him ;)

MarkMcBurney wrote:Not on the world level, no.

Certainly far less dangerous than when David Haye met him ;)

Fury can't win. Everyone he fights becomes crap after he has beaten them.

Horse wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:Not on the world level, no.

Certainly far less dangerous than when David Haye met him ;)

Fury can't win. Everyone he fights becomes crap after he has beaten them.

Not at all - Chisora got better. And fitter. And slimmer. Definitely slimmer.

MarkMcBurney wrote:Not at all - Chisora got better. And fitter. And slimmer. Definitely slimmer.

Fury didn't sign up to fight a fat Chisora, he just signed up to fight Chisora.

He can't be blamed for beating a fat Chisora easily.

Horse wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:Not at all - Chisora got better. And fitter. And slimmer. Definitely slimmer.

Fury didn't sign up to fight a fat Chisora, he just signed up to fight Chisora.

He can't be blamed for beating a fat Chisora easily.

I'd never suggest he can.

The fact of the matter is though that using Fury's win over Chisora as some sort of marker is like saying Danny Williams was world class because he knocked out Mike Tyson...

MarkMcBurney wrote:I'd never suggest he can.

The fact of the matter is though that using Fury's win over Chisora as some sort of marker is like saying Danny Williams was world class because he knocked out Mike Tyson...

Tyson didn't go on to get a dodgy decison given against him against a top 10 opponent in his next fight though did he?

Fury beat a top guy and most people are looking to diminish it as a worthless win, it makes me sick.

Horse wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:I'd never suggest he can.

The fact of the matter is though that using Fury's win over Chisora as some sort of marker is like saying Danny Williams was world class because he knocked out Mike Tyson...

Tyson didn't go on to get a dodgy decison given against him against a top 10 opponent in his next fight though did he?

Fury beat a top guy and most people are looking to diminish it as a worthless win, it makes me sick.

You're seriously deluded if you think Haye was gifted a win - IN GERMANY - against Valuev...

MarkMcBurney wrote:You're seriously deluded if you think Haye was gifted a win - IN GERMANY - against Valuev...

No, I'm not.

MarkMcBurney wrote:

Horse wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:I'd never suggest he can.

The fact of the matter is though that using Fury's win over Chisora as some sort of marker is like saying Danny Williams was world class because he knocked out Mike Tyson...

Tyson didn't go on to get a dodgy decison given against him against a top 10 opponent in his next fight though did he?

Fury beat a top guy and most people are looking to diminish it as a worthless win, it makes me sick.

You're seriously deluded if you think Haye was gifted a win - IN GERMANY - against Valuev...

You're even more deluded if you think Haye won clearly. I bet he was the outsider in running when it went to the cards. Holyfield did a better job but didn't get the decision.

If I remember rightly at the final bell of the Haye-Valuev fight Valuev was a clear favourite with the bookies to get the decision.

columbo wrote:

Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:You're so far up Fury's arse you can probably taste his chewing gum!

You don't think Fury is better than Harrison?

No I think he is better than Harrison but that doesnt mean he couldnt be knocked out earlier than Audley was. Audley is ultra defensive whereas Tyson takes more risks and thus is more open to being hit and thus knocked out.

& Haye had a bet on the third round

MarkMcBurney wrote:

Horse wrote:

columbo wrote:He's beaten Chisora by knockout, beat Valuev, beat ruiz

He almost lost to Valuev. He beat a haggard, washed up version of Ruiz and beat Fury's leftovers in Chisora.

How does that suggest he will beat Fury at all, let alone easily?

People are in for a rude awakening when Fury gets his hands on Haye.

Stop talking crap Horse!!!

x2

Horse wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:I'd never suggest he can.

The fact of the matter is though that using Fury's win over Chisora as some sort of marker is like saying Danny Williams was world class because he knocked out Mike Tyson...

Tyson didn't go on to get a dodgy decison given against him against a top 10 opponent in his next fight though did he?

Fury beat a top guy and most people are looking to diminish it as a worthless win, it makes me sick.

If that makes you sick, you really need to get out more

Chisora didn't train for Fury and threw 2 punches a round and Fury still couldn't stop him.

He really went for it vs Haye, was fitter, faster and stronger and Haye destroyed him

Horse wrote:

Teddy's Toupee wrote:How do you you manage to type, Horse, whilst simultaneously licking Fury's arse?

When Fury beats Haye with ease, the whole of BoxRec will be forced to bow before the superior boxing knowledge of Horse.

I will be the King of BoxRec and I will rule with an iron fist.

And a shit-covered tongue.

Hagler2002 wrote:If I remember rightly at the final bell of the Haye-Valuev fight Valuev was a clear favourite with the bookies to get the decision.

But haye celebrated and valuev didnt, people thought valuev would get a decision in germany like they usually do not that he had won the fight. Valuev knew he had lost.

Horse wrote:

Finn wrote:Alot of people ith sight problems may have scored the fight to valuev who did land a punch but that doesnt mean he nearly lost the fight; not one judge scored it to valuev.

It's nothing to do with sight problems, it's to do with people favouring Valuev's workrate over Haye's slight advantage in punch accuracy.

Finn wrote:Do you consider fury world class he hasnt faced a dangerous opponent and won convincingly yet.

He beat Chisora, Cunningham and Johnson convincingly.

Landed V Thrown
David Haye: 98 143 68.5%

Nikolai Valuev: 64 390 16%

52.5% difference in punch accuracy isnt slight and 68.5% punch accuracy is way above average Haye also outlanded Valuev by 34 punches thats over 50% more punches than valuev landed. You dont score work rate unless its effective, i think your just trying to put a positive spin on furys accomplishments and a negative spin on Hayes.

Saying haye nearly lost in a fight he won, or most had cunningham beating adamek when he lost is grasping at straws.


I think the version of chisora that fury fought was a poor one however fury has improved since as well. Regardless chisora was a dangerous opponent as he proved by being robbed against helenius 2 fights later, however Fury struggled with chisora on the occasions he threw volumes of punches, and was hurt by his punches. I think we can both agree that Haye demolishes an in shape chisora and has one punch ko power in either hand, the evidence so far is he's going to be got to and he is going to be on queer street pretty easily against a fast powerful accurate puncher.

The fight will be decent while it lasts but i predict and absolute carbon copy of the harrison ko. Haye jumping and unloading and fury being all over the place and stopped after climbing off the canvas.

Is Haye really that devastating a puncher at heavyweight?

I can't remember much about the Tomasz Bonin fight... but I'm fairly certain he hasn't taken out any of the other 6 heavyweights he's fought with a single punch.

Lots of knockdowns, yes... but every time his opponents have got up by the count of 10.

I'm not saying he's not a puncher at heavyweight, but I don't think he's comparitively as big a puncher as he was at cruiserweight.... and I would bank on Fury not being taken out by the first big clean punch.

Benelio wrote:Is Haye really that devastating a puncher at heavyweight?

I can't remember much about the Tomasz Bonin fight... but I'm fairly certain he hasn't taken out any of the other 6 heavyweights he's fought with a single punch.

Lots of knockdowns, yes... but every time his opponents have got up by the count of 10.

I'm not saying he's not a puncher at heavyweight, but I don't think he's comparitively as big a puncher as he was at cruiserweight.... and I would bank on Fury not being taken out by the first big clean punch.

That's like saying Cunningham hits harder than Haye though.

Benelio wrote:Is Haye really that devastating a puncher at heavyweight?

I can't remember much about the Tomasz Bonin fight... but I'm fairly certain he hasn't taken out any of the other 6 heavyweights he's fought with a single punch.

Lots of knockdowns, yes... but every time his opponents have got up by the count of 10.

I'm not saying he's not a puncher at heavyweight, but I don't think he's comparitively as big a puncher as he was at cruiserweight.... and I would bank on Fury not being taken out by the first big clean punch.

He may not be as harder hitter as say samuel peter or have the same ko power within one shot as wlad has in his right hand but he can drop a fighter or have them completely out of it with one punch from either hand and he has dropped or hurt every fighter he has faced at at HW. Wlad was holding on in the 12th against him as was valuev, all the others were on the floor everytime he hit them or managed to beat the count only to have no legs and be smashed within seconds. His accuracy is a main factor and even his jabs clearly hurt or stun.

Teddy's Toupee wrote:How do you you manage to type, Horse, whilst simultaneously licking Fury's arse?

because he doesn't type with his tongue?

Finn wrote:Landed V Thrown
David Haye: 98 143 68.5%

Nikolai Valuev: 64 390 16%

52.5% difference in punch accuracy isnt slight and 68.5% punch accuracy is way above average Haye also outlanded Valuev by 34 punches thats over 50% more punches than valuev landed. You dont score work rate unless its effective, i think your just trying to put a positive spin on furys accomplishments and a negative spin on Hayes.

Saying haye nearly lost in a fight he won, or most had cunningham beating adamek when he lost is grasping at straws.


I think the version of chisora that fury fought was a poor one however fury has improved since as well. Regardless chisora was a dangerous opponent as he proved by being robbed against helenius 2 fights later, however Fury struggled with chisora on the occasions he threw volumes of punches, and was hurt by his punches. I think we can both agree that Haye demolishes an in shape chisora and has one punch ko power in either hand, the evidence so far is he's going to be got to and he is going to be on queer street pretty easily against a fast powerful accurate puncher.

The fight will be decent while it lasts but i predict and absolute carbon copy of the harrison ko. Haye jumping and unloading and fury being all over the place and stopped after climbing off the canvas.

Most had Haye vs Valuev close and Haye only throwing 12 punches a round was pathetic. Almost everyone had Cunningham beating Adamek, who cares how the judges scored it?

Counter-puncher wrote:

Teddy's Toupee wrote:How do you you manage to type, Horse, whilst simultaneously licking Fury's arse?

because he doesn't type with his tongue?

Siri.

Hence the 'typos'...

Counter-puncher wrote:

Teddy's Toupee wrote:How do you you manage to type, Horse, whilst simultaneously licking Fury's arse?

because he doesn't type with his tongue?

How would he be able to see his keyboard with his face buried in Fury's, presumably, hairy arse? Maybe Horse is blind and has a braille keyboard? Possibly, but unlikely, as he watches boxing. Maybe his eyesight is really poor (is this why he rates Fury so highly?) so for all intents and purposes he is considered blind and does in fact use a braille keyboard? What do you think Counter-Puncher?