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Lot of subjectivity....and lot's of passion......always a volatile mix.

I'll throw in my two cents......I think I'd bet on Hagler in a Hears rematch, and I'm no big Hagler fan at all.

And though he did complain a bit about his last fight, I still think of him overall as a stand up guy.

How do you knock this guy Hagler out? You probably don't. The only guy I think could beat him 3 out of 4 times is Monzon....and Monzon does not KO Hagler. But he does KO Hearns.

Just another opinion...please be civil with your response to my thoughts, I just don't want my feelers hurt. I'm the sensitive sort.

Sound Judgement wrote:He had a wonderful career. But a true sign of a champion with character is how you respond to failure. Not the best course of action. He lost the fight. Just accept it and move on...this whole I got jobbed is very weak..... SRL had clout too and proved a lot that night... Pretty impressive actually... He should have tipped his cap and asked for the rematch.....

He retired. Big deal.

I dont think anyone knocks out hagler.....The only slim chance would be hearns as a boxer landing 1 clean shot that hurts hagler then a few more to end it similar to hearns duran.

We never saw the two box at all.... Cheers to hagler for a great fight plan....

Rover we are done....

BoxBuzz wrote:Lot of subjectivity....and lot's of passion......always a volatile mix.

I'll throw in my two cents......I think I'd bet on Hagler in a Hears rematch, and I'm no big Hagler fan at all.

And though he did complain a bit about his last fight, I still think of him overall as a stand up guy.

How do you knock this guy Hagler out? You probably don't. The only guy I think could beat him 3 out of 4 times is Monzon....and Monzon does not KO Hagler. But he does KO Hearns.

Just another opinion...please be civil with your response to my thoughts, I just don't want my feelers hurt. I'm the sensitive sort.

Already responded R

I do think that the shot that hurt Hagler, was the same shot that broke Hearns hand......If he could have kept clubbing like that would it be different? Possibly. But in this case the irresistable force was overcome by the immovable object.

When a man's head breaks your fist, it's hard to get the "W".

BoxBuzz wrote:I do think that the shot that hurt Hagler, was the same shot that broke Hearns hand......If he could have kept clubbing like that would it be different? Possibly. But in this case the irresistable force was overcome by the immovable object.

When a man's head breaks your fist, it's hard to get the "W".

I never thought of it that way, but sound, logical analysis there.

Guys don't digress we are talking boxing not another street fight

If your point is that at his best Hearns was a better boxer...I would agree, but between those two on that night, it was indeed a street fight. Would either be able to chill out and "work a plan" between those two? I don't think so, when in each other's presence, it appeared that they both became hot heads. Plans be damned, let me at the MF'r seemed to be their attitude. And that would likely always favor Hagler.

Anyone going toe to toe with hagler after the hearns fight is crazy. It really was never tried until hearns tried it. I always said I just wanted to see a rematch.... Who didn't want that???

Gotcha...good point. But it would have to be a let down. How in the world could you top that? and I could see either of them saying to themselves "why even try"?

It was the Sistine Chapel of street fights. Nothing could follow it.

lol

The one comment that made me feel hagler was cautious of hearns after their fight was when hagler said hearns was never the same fighter after their fight?? Total deflection of the fact hagler really was not the same and hearns went on to win multiple world titles and beat SRL...!?

IF...and it's a big if....Tommy could stay as stone cold focused as Monzon could, then you've got a different scenario. Monzon was an emotionless fighter. But Tommy once he felt he was on a roll could not contain himself. And it was always his weakness and fouled him up in the clutch. He was the most fearless fighter...not even psyched by Duran....but he was not the smartest fighter.

Tommy's faults were all in his mind. He had the best chops in boxing, but he couldn't always tame his own primal nature.

100 percent agree!!

As do I.
Good...agreement to end this...

I think Hearns stands a great chance. The Hagler who fought Leonard...over 12 rounds...

I think Tommy might just win. But not over 15.

The rematch should have happened. Leonard jumping the queue was wrong. Hearns' KO over Shuler made the rematch.

Tommy was cheated out of his chance.

Here's an interesting idea that just occurred to me. Hearns hit Hagler HARD, perhaps harder than anyone else, and whilst Hagler won that fight, perhaps he felt he had had to come through the fire to survive it. Maybe he looked at Leonard, and saw someone who had survived Hearns at his natural weight, and come on strong to stop him late. Maybe THAT'S why he didn't go after him; not because he underestimated him, but because he overestimated him

(I am absolutely not saying this is what I think happened, just that it's an alternate explanation of Hagler's approach in that fight which only just occurred to me)

SamWise72 wrote:Here's an interesting idea that just occurred to me. Hearns hit Hagler HARD, perhaps harder than anyone else, and whilst Hagler won that fight, perhaps he felt he had had to come through the fire to survive it. Maybe he looked at Leonard, and saw someone who had survived Hearns at his natural weight, and come on strong to stop him late. Maybe THAT'S why he didn't go after him; not because he underestimated him, but because he overestimated him

(I am absolutely not saying this is what I think happened, just that it's an alternate explanation of Hagler's approach in that fight which only just occurred to me)

I think people had this impression of Hagler as the monster man…based on his demeanour… Leonard was smaller and had been on a lay off. Hagler didn’t want to walk in their swinging the sword… he wanted to prove a point about his boxing ability.

I also think that Leonard’s clowning in the Duran fight played on his mind. I think Marvin dreaded being made to look a fool.

I also believe that Hagler’s stock had grown on a number of fights against aggressive punchers…and aggressive, come forward fighters… Hagler forced Hearns’ hand to do likewise…and he gobbled him up.

The last time Hagler fought a guy who looked to counter him was Roberto Duran… That was the fight Leonard was looking at. That’s why he came back against Howard.

Duran picked Leonard to win.

For all the mud-slinging that goes on here between Leonard and Duran fans…they’d sort of made their peace. Duran told Leonard straight after the final bell against Hagler that he could beat him.

Hagler didn’t like counter punchers.

Reading the various books and reports "of the time" I got the distinct impression Marvin wanted SRL because it represented the biggest money out there. I seem to recall that he announced a press conference with Marvin there and he obviously thought "this is it" only to announce his retirement, which really annoyed Hagler.

I think from that point on it just annoyed him so when he announced his comeback he acceded to all his requests in order to get him in the ring.

Of course, some say that SRL picked his time wisely, he had seen some signs of decline but he always felt his style could beat Hagler's. Others will say that Hagler felt he could always beat a guy who had eye problems, never fought at 160, had only fought above welter twice and in his last fight had been knocked down and not exactly looked great.

There's probably a fair amount of both in the truth.

To quote the greatest minds to have ever have lived, Socrates, Homer et al, 'This is complete bollocks'.

Hearns wouldn't knock Hagler out in a rematch, if Hearns decided to box he would tyre eventually with Hagler coming on as he tended to do. Marvin stops Herans again, it doesn't matter what Thomas's gameplan was.

orbtastic wrote:Reading the various books and reports "of the time" I got the distinct impression Marvin wanted SRL because it represented the biggest money out there. I seem to recall that he announced a press conference with Marvin there and he obviously thought "this is it" only to announce his retirement, which really annoyed Hagler.

I think from that point on it just annoyed him so when he announced his comeback he acceded to all his requests in order to get him in the ring.

Of course, some say that SRL picked his time wisely, he had seen some signs of decline but he always felt his style could beat Hagler's. Others will say that Hagler felt he could always beat a guy who had eye problems, never fought at 160, had only fought above welter twice and in his last fight had been knocked down and not exactly looked great.

There's probably a fair amount of both in the truth.

Yeah, Baltimore in Nov 82 if I remember right.

Roars like me.... Everyone thought the same thing would happen in the Hearms SRL rematch..... It didmt.... In fact the opposite happened!! Don't be so certain about MM in a Hearns rematch.... Hearns perfomed very well after the fight with MM. While MM started a slow decline....

If they fought again if Marvin decided not tuck his chin in and sit on Tommy's chest from the outset. Tommy stands a better chance. But lets be honest would Hagler do that? And could Tommy put him away? In the real fight he hit him with stuff that would drop an elephant and Hagler walked though it (god knows how).

If he doesn't drop him in this rematch then he would surely out box him but would he get through the later rounds where Hagler was notorious for piling on the pressure. I loved Hearns, he had pretty much everything you would want in a fighter but durability and stamina would let him down I reckon.

IMO same result in the rematch

How much of that would you put down to SRL's relative decline and the fight being over 12, not 15?