Clev - this will be a "Calzaghe vs Lacy" repeat happening

[whiskey]

judges announced ?

[gmanji]

Nathan's chin has never been tested???

To be fair he got hit with some very clean shots by Bellew of course it is not the same power but they were unexpected shots as Clev let Bellew get to him and went all out to try and hurt him, forgetting about his defence this is different Clev will box his head off.

Karo Murat landed some thunderous punches also,i think his chins one of his best assets as of yet

Karo Murat was a super-middleweight.....

[whiskey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrjHqHQx_No

Kovalev interview - seems a cool lad.

[lefty]

Genuine pick em fight.

I have changed my mind a few times this week already.

Kovalev for me. At minute anyway.

Yeah im unsure about it aswell to be honest! Ive got a gut feeling Nathan is going to pull it off though.

[Bard of Boxrec]

He so fast, he make medicine sick, he so mean, he fvck up the lights then go to bed, he gonna hit Cleverly so hard it gonna shake his kinfolk in Cefn Forest

WAR KOVALEV

[GlobalBox]

Terry O'Connor referee for this one, thought they might go neutral - Tough fight to pick just not sure how Nathan takes this kids power, if he takes it without any problems I think he wins on points, the challenger does seem to hit very very hard though.

[lefty]

Terry O'Connor referee for this one, thought they might go neutral - Tough fight to pick just not sure how Nathan takes this kids power, if he takes it without any problems I think he wins on points, the challenger does seem to hit very very hard though.

Oh shit, the fight is doomed..........

[handsofstone]

Terry O'Connor referee for this one, thought they might go neutral - Tough fight to pick just not sure how Nathan takes this kids power, if he takes it without any problems I think he wins on points, the challenger does seem to hit very very hard though.

Oh poo, the fight is doomed..........

Just be grateful he,s not judging

[GlobalBox]

El Tel has the main job in the ring and the judges are as follows

M Alfredo Polanco from Mexico, Jose Ignacio Martinez from Spain and Zoltan Enyedi from Hungary.

[whiskey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XkZ8m2bqnE

Interview with Clev

[magnus]

Karo Murat was a super-middleweight.....[/quote]

So? As was Stevenson.

Dawson, Hopkins, Pascal and Cleverly himself haven't spent their entire career at LH.

Anyway, I'm flip flopping slightly about this one. Today, thinking Cleverly does it.

[taffytoon]

He so fast, he make medicine sick, he so mean, he fvck up the lights then go to bed, he gonna hit Cleverly so hard it gonna shake his kinfolk in Cefn Forest

WAR KOVALEV

Tell you what, if Nathan wins you leave the forum, if Kovalev wins I will leave.

[WelshJack]

He so fast, he make medicine sick, he so mean, he fvck up the lights then go to bed, he gonna hit Cleverly so hard it gonna shake his kinfolk in Cefn Forest

WAR KOVALEV

Tell you what, if Nathan wins you leave the forum, if Kovalev wins I will leave.

For someone who doesn't hate Cleverly you go on about him a hell of a lot and guessing you are from the UK? Why would you want Kovalev to win?

[mickey1975]

Terry O'Connor referee for this one, thought they might go neutral - Tough fight to pick just not sure how Nathan takes this kids power, if he takes it without any problems I think he wins on points, the challenger does seem to hit very very hard though.

Go on Terry lad... Terry wont be scared of him. He has a better stoppage record than Wilder, and more dangerous, especially at home. WAR Terry!!!!!

[The Insider]

He so fast, he make medicine sick, he so mean, he fvck up the lights then go to bed, he gonna hit Cleverly so hard it gonna shake his kinfolk in Cefn Forest

WAR KOVALEV

Tell you what, if Nathan wins you leave the forum, if Kovalev wins I will leave.

Ooooooo a mystical "leave and never come back" challenge. I though these were just myth and folk lore. :-)

I still fancy Clev for this. Kovalev is aggressive and can certainly bang but Nathan is a clever lad (no pun) who has the skills, speed and engine to win this. He could make Kovalev look clumsy and lumbering if he utilizes what he's got. I just hope he doesn't switch into Macho mode and got toe to toe. I'm not as confident as taffy or RB on my selection but I expect Nathan to win with the farmers, miners, and daffodil eaters behind him.

[Bard of Boxrec]

He so fast, he make medicine sick, he so mean, he fvck up the lights then go to bed, he gonna hit Cleverly so hard it gonna shake his kinfolk in Cefn Forest

WAR KOVALEV

Tell you what, if Nathan wins you leave the forum, if Kovalev wins I will leave.

For someone who doesn't hate Cleverly you go on about him a hell of a lot and guessing you are from the UK? Why would you want Kovalev to win?

Tell you what, you army of angry Welsh fans are incredibly nationalistic and defensive.

Does it occur to any of you that I might want Kovalev to win because I like him as a fighter and I think he has more potential in the sport than Cleverly?

I am indeed from the UK. That doesn't mean I have to support Cleverly just because he is British.

Another reason I am rooting for Kovalev: the allegedly machine. I simply don't like the way this man goes about promoting boxing. In my opinion it is a very cynical way indeed. I think Eddie Hearn's approach is better for the fans and in the main I will support his fighters. Not going into details because I can't be bothered, but the upshot is that I don't believe Cleverly is this big ticket fighter that Frank wants him to be. I don't know just how popular he is in Wales, I don't really care, all I know is I believe he is limited and it's only right that he gets beaten by a true world-class fighter to expose the chicanery of him being represented as a 'world champion' when he, in my opinion, is nothing of the sort.

Is that a good enough explanation? Why do I feel like I have to defend myself at all? Who knows. What I will say is that if Nathan wins in a fair manner (that doesn't include EL TEL anxiously stepping in prematurely after some pitty pat flurries from Nate) then I will gladly come in here and give him credit, while you drones will no doubt be hurling vitriolic, self-satisfied abuse at me.

If Kovalev wins I will say NOTHING (apart from in my betting thread).

[SNG]

Not supporting certain fighters because of who their promoter is? That's ridiculous, but I don't find it all surprising with some of the stuff you read on here, you'd almost think Warren had shagged your mam and never phoned her.

Also, it's hilarious reading you trying to take the moral high ground with some of the comments you've made.

[Counter-puncher]

Terry O'Connor referee for this one, thought they might go neutral - Tough fight to pick just not sure how Nathan takes this kids power, if he takes it without any problems I think he wins on points, the challenger does seem to hit very very hard though.

Go on Terry lad... Terry wont be scared of him. He has a better stoppage record than Wilder, and more dangerous, especially at home. WAR Terry!!!!!

genuine at that one mickey, good form

WAR TOC!!!!

[Bard of Boxrec]

Not supporting certain fighters because of who their promoter is? That's ridiculous, but I don't find it all surprising with some of the stuff you read on here, you'd almost think Warren had shagged your mam and never phoned her.

Also, it's hilarious reading you trying to take the moral high ground with some of the comments you've made.

How is justifying supporting Kovalev because I prefer him as a fighter taking the moral high ground? I'm sure Cleverly is a nice guy but I think he represents a lot of what's wrong with boxing, and FW is a part of that. And why do I have to justify it anyway? Because there is an unwritten assumption that you have to support your own nationality in sport no matter what?

Maybe this is why some of the good American posters on the current scene (I said good ones) are so bemused by some of the postings on this forum. When at its best, that forum assesses fighters on their merits, not their nationality.

[SNG]

Not supporting certain fighters because of who their promoter is? That's ridiculous, but I don't find it all surprising with some of the stuff you read on here, you'd almost think Warren had shagged your mam and never phoned her.

Also, it's hilarious reading you trying to take the moral high ground with some of the comments you've made.

How is justifying supporting Kovalev because I prefer him as a fighter taking the moral high ground? I'm sure Cleverly is a nice guy but I think he represents a lot of what's wrong with boxing, and FW is a part of that. And why do I have to justify it anyway? Because there is an unwritten assumption that you have to support your own nationality in sport no matter what?

Maybe this is why some of the good American posters on the current scene (I said good ones) are so bemused by some of the postings on this forum. When at its best, that forum assesses fighters on their merits, not their nationality.

Don't talk that shite at me, I'm not a fan of either fighter, and I certainly don't support people because of where they're from. I never said you had to justify anything, I'm merely responding to what you already wrote, so nice try.

Is that a good enough explanation? Why do I feel like I have to defend myself at all? Who knows. What I will say is that if Nathan wins in a fair manner (that doesn't include EL TEL anxiously stepping in prematurely after some pitty pat flurries from Nate) then I will gladly come in here and give him credit, while you drones will no doubt be hurling vitriolic, self-satisfied abuse at me.

If Kovalev wins I will say NOTHING (apart from in my betting thread).

This is you trying to take the moral high ground, which is laughable.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Not supporting certain fighters because of who their promoter is? That's ridiculous, but I don't find it all surprising with some of the stuff you read on here, you'd almost think Warren had shagged your mam and never phoned her.

Also, it's hilarious reading you trying to take the moral high ground with some of the comments you've made.

How is justifying supporting Kovalev because I prefer him as a fighter taking the moral high ground? I'm sure Cleverly is a nice guy but I think he represents a lot of what's wrong with boxing, and FW is a part of that. And why do I have to justify it anyway? Because there is an unwritten assumption that you have to support your own nationality in sport no matter what?

Maybe this is why some of the good American posters on the current scene (I said good ones) are so bemused by some of the postings on this forum. When at its best, that forum assesses fighters on their merits, not their nationality.

Don't talk that shite at me, I'm not a fan of either fighter, and I certainly don't support people because of where they're from. I never said you had to justify anything, I'm merely responding to what you already wrote, so nice try.

Is that a good enough explanation? Why do I feel like I have to defend myself at all? Who knows. What I will say is that if Nathan wins in a fair manner (that doesn't include EL TEL anxiously stepping in prematurely after some pitty pat flurries from Nate) then I will gladly come in here and give him credit, while you drones will no doubt be hurling vitriolic, self-satisfied abuse at me.

If Kovalev wins I will say NOTHING (apart from in my betting thread).

This is you trying to take the moral high ground, which is laughable.

Umm, why is it taking the moral high ground to be gracious in defeat? I was making a point that if Cleverly wins in a legit manner I would give him the respect he would deserve, IE he will have proved himself. I'd like to think Cleverly's fans would do the same post-fight should Kovalev win.

And why are you so offended anyway?

[banjo]

Does this mean - assuming Kovalev is Lacy - he comes complete with a screaming bint?

[SNG]

Umm, why is it taking the moral high ground to be gracious in defeat? I was making a point that if Cleverly wins in a legit manner I would give him the respect he would deserve, IE he will have proved himself. I'd like to think Cleverly's fans would do the same post-fight should Kovalev win.

And why are you so offended anyway?

It's taking the moral high ground because of the comments you've already made, and the assumption that that they will drone on hurling vitriolic, self satisfied abuse as you put it whilst you will 'say NOTHING'. Go back and read your comments in this thread and the other, you've hardly been gracious in your predictions.

I'm not offended in the slightest, why would I be?

[Bard of Boxrec]

Umm, why is it taking the moral high ground to be gracious in defeat? I was making a point that if Cleverly wins in a legit manner I would give him the respect he would deserve, IE he will have proved himself. I'd like to think Cleverly's fans would do the same post-fight should Kovalev win.

And why are you so offended anyway?

It's taking the moral high ground because of the comments you've already made, and the assumption that that they will drone on hurling vitriolic, self satisfied abuse as you put it whilst you will 'say NOTHING'. Go back and read your comments in this thread and the other, you've hardly been gracious in your predictions.

I'm not offended in the slightest, why would I be?

There is plenty of evidence to suggest they would do that. Read some of the comments from the Welsh people. It's not assuming.

Why have I not been gracious in my prediction? I put forward an argument for why I think Kovalev will win early. What else did I do that wasn't gracious?

[Counter-puncher]

oh, you boys