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hbo is "thunderously" happy.

WTF! LIke seriously WTF!

This kid may never lose again !!

The big bully bitching about a tough fight. What a fvcking vulva.

Chavez and his crew wouldn't have been complaining to the ref, if they thought he won.

The Irish Assassin wrote:

bengulnaci1 wrote:Why are people surprised by this? Chavez was never going to be allowed to lose this on points. Never.

Not surprised at all, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable.

Of course its not acceptable but this is the way boxing works, as we all know.

Not the worst robbery but Vera won that.

What's not to love about Vera?

SouthpawStephen wrote:Dayum Son!!! It was Denkin's card that was 98-92..... Maybe he had the names switched.

Or maybe the graphic had the names switched.

I didn't score it live... but after I watched it, it felt like Vera won 6 rounds to me... MAYBE 7, but certainly not some huge blowout.

Upon re-watching and scoring it, honestly, I had it as a draw.

In addition to scoring it, I made a "power" system -- represented by asterisks.. from 3 - definitive round, to 0 - nearly even. It was not surprising, that I had zero rounds as definitive.
Interesting to note that I had nearly even rounds at 1 a piece, but had Chavez taking 2 of the 3 "clear, but competitive" rounds.

JCS wrote:I didn't score it live... but after I watched it, it felt like Vera won 6 rounds to me... MAYBE 7, but certainly not some huge blowout.

Upon re-watching and scoring it, honestly, I had it as a draw.

In addition to scoring it, I made a "power" system -- represented by asterisks.. from 3 - definitive round, to 0 - nearly even. It was not surprising, that I had zero rounds as definitive.

Code: Select all

# Winner
---------
1 Chavez  [*  ]
2 Vera    [   ]
3 Chavez  [** ]
4 Vera    [*  ]
5 Vera    [*  ]
6 Chavez  [** ]
7 Chavez  [*  ]
8 Vera    [*  ]
9 Vera    [** ]
10 Chavez [   ]

[***] - definitive, [** ] - clear, but competitive, [*  ] close round, [   ] nearly even 

Interesting to note that I had nearly even rounds at 1 a piece, but had Chavez taking 2 of the 3 "clear, but competitive" rounds.

I like that system you got there JCS. Pretty nifty.

I try to do something similar these days, but not quite so elaborate. When I score the rounds one way or another, I put an asterix beside the rounds I felt like could've arguably gone either way.

Gives you a better idea of what kind of scorecards you can expect when the final tally comes up.

Of course sometimes they're so off the mark you don't see how they got there at all...like 98-92 Chavez for instance. There's no way to justify that score.

gilgamesh wrote:

JCS wrote:I didn't score it live... but after I watched it, it felt like Vera won 6 rounds to me... MAYBE 7, but certainly not some huge blowout.

Upon re-watching and scoring it, honestly, I had it as a draw.

In addition to scoring it, I made a "power" system -- represented by asterisks.. from 3 - definitive round, to 0 - nearly even. It was not surprising, that I had zero rounds as definitive.

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# Winner
---------
1 Chavez  [*  ]
2 Vera    [   ]
3 Chavez  [** ]
4 Vera    [*  ]
5 Vera    [*  ]
6 Chavez  [** ]
7 Chavez  [*  ]
8 Vera    [*  ]
9 Vera    [** ]
10 Chavez [   ]

[***] - definitive, [** ] - clear, but competitive, [*  ] close round, [   ] nearly even 

Interesting to note that I had nearly even rounds at 1 a piece, but had Chavez taking 2 of the 3 "clear, but competitive" rounds.

I like that system you got there JCS. Pretty nifty.

I try to do something similar these days, but not quite so elaborate. When I score the rounds one way or another, I put an asterix beside the rounds I felt like could've arguably gone either way.

Gives you a better idea of what kind of scorecards you can expect when the final tally comes up.

Of course sometimes they're so off the mark you don't see how they got there at all...like 98-92 Chavez for instance. There's no way to justify that score.

Thanks. I've done something like this before, but not quite to this extent. Seemed to be the best way to display my thoughts without going into uber-detail.

I guess in retrospect, when reviewing my notes... I think you could probably come up with almost any card here without influence of corruption.

When I got around to watching this...I had it a draw..so would be ok going either way.

Being old as dirt I Might have slightly preferred Chavez on sentiment though he's nothing like his dad.

But the judges...what the hell was that?

I feel bad for Vera that he has to explain that to others. He deserved the judges fairness and did not get it all.

IMHO.