Duffus91 wrote:
There was a lot more to admire from Stevenson in his victory over Dawson than just as you say a perfect punch.
Stevenson continually countered Dawson's jab by taking his head off line before then landing a right hook.
Stevenson also used that old Mayweather tactic of attacking one target for a period of time, namely in the Dawson fight, the body jab before then shifting the attention to another target. Stevenson feinted low before landing that knockout left cross, setting him up perfectly rather than as you say landing the perfect punch.
So in a fight that lasted 76 seconds , you identified all of that ?
GTFO
Watch the fight and tell me that Adonis Stevenson didn't do any of that then, Gomez.
Your really not going to believe this - but yesterday I had 7 rounds to carry out an appraisal and he is definitely NOT anything like Floyd Mayweather, apart from being black.
His hands were painfully awkward, neither near his chin nor down and relaxed - kind of hovering around his own tits. I don't see the fuss with him at all.[/quote]
The same kind of criticisms could be pointed at Carl but he hasnt had a bad career has he.
True, the commentary made it sound like we were watching Sugar Ray Robinson in there, but all it really was, was a highly competent counter punching display by a very hard puncher against a lacklustre fighter on the slide.
Cloud was brave as hell, great chin, but one paced & never at the races. He never tested the suspect Adonis chin once.
Im a fan of Stevenson's myself but im not naive to think he's unbeatable or that he's the perfect fighter. Id pick Ward to definietly beat him and id strongly favour Hopkins to beat him aswell. Now Stevenson is getting a lot of criticism from some on here over people like myself hyping him up. That's a valid point but I could say the same about Kovalev. Im not 100% sold on him. Beating Cleverly doesnt make you this unstoppable beast like some are making him out to be. The two other best wins on his ledger are Campillo who lost to Cloud *undeserved admittedly* but who also just lost to Fonfara who's nothing spectacular and he beat Cornelius White. The same Cornelius White that the legendary Don George knocked out in a round. Kovalev was also stopped as an amateur and has been down against Boone so he hasnt got a granite chin either. Kovalev can clearly punch but im less sold on his boxing ability than I am Stevenson's.
Very true Boomer. The way to beat a guy like Adonis is to put him under pressure from the off and work him to the body. he is not some super human wrecking ball and can (and has) been done.
Still a tough fight for you and most likely on away soil with a partisan crowd. All the best to you and I hope the fight comes off and you can put a gameplan in place.
Just tell yourself that the bloke is not very kind to nan`s and this will give you the extra bit of spite needed.[/quote]
chiggsy wrote:Out of interest who is the wbc number 2 just in case stevenson decides to drop the belt?
Pascal and then Bute and then Dawson.
Cheers bellew probably has a better chance against a faded dawson in l'pool but if i'm being honest i'd still fancy dawson no offence to tony or followers.
columbo wrote:
Can I ask you an honest question Tony? Watching him this weekend did realise that he was better than you first possibly originally thought he was? The reason I ask is because in the past you didnt seem to think he had any real boxing ability and that he was mainly a very hard puncher. Anyway cheers.
He's basically a counter puncher who IMHO doesn't believe in his own chin.. He boxed exactly how expected against Cloud. People think con he's a knockout puncher he's a brawler but in fact he's the opposite, he only attacks when he hurts people, he has very quick feet but pays no attention to defence as he's always in control of he pace of a bout.. I bring something different to the table and Ill gladly show him that
Ur very wrong bout his defense... He's got a great defense an doesn't get hit clean much he uses his feet great to judge the distance,plus he's very quick with his feet an gets out wen attacked. When he is attacked he uses his shoulder an body/arms to block/slip whatever is throw at him and his head movement is very good!!
Just watching he fight and how fornicating poor is Cloud just clueless from the start or shit scared of Stevenson's power.
Adonis, doesn't seem that great to me apart from that hard southpaw left he's pretty cumbersome but then I watched the French commentary so wasn't informed how fantastic he was
Final round wrote:Just watching he fight and how effing poor is Cloud just clueless from the start or poo scared of Stevenson's power.
Adonis, doesn't seem that great to me apart from that hard southpaw left he's pretty cumbersome but then I watched the French commentary so wasn't informed how fantastic he was
It was more because everytime Cloud let his hands go he got countered.
Final round wrote:Just watching he fight and how effing poor is Cloud just clueless from the start or poo scared of Stevenson's power.
Adonis, doesn't seem that great to me apart from that hard southpaw left he's pretty cumbersome but then I watched the French commentary so wasn't informed how fantastic he was
It was more because everytime Cloud let his hands go he got countered.
No it wasn't . He barely let his hands go, too wary of the leaden footed power of Stevenson. Very poor.
Carl Froch would have turned him over at 168
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Final round wrote:Just watching he fight and how effing poor is Cloud just clueless from the start or poo scared of Stevenson's power.
Adonis, doesn't seem that great to me apart from that hard southpaw left he's pretty cumbersome but then I watched the French commentary so wasn't informed how fantastic he was
It was more because everytime Cloud let his hands go he got countered.
No it wasn't . He barely let his hands go, too wary of the leaden footed Stevenson. Very poor.
Carl Froch would have turned him over at 168
Stevenson is no more leaden footed than Froch is. Let's be honest.
columbo wrote:
Stevenson is no more leaden footed than Froch is. Let's be honest.
True. I just think he'd get to Stevenson who I'm not that dazzled by tbh. Ward would wipe the floor with him.
I don't think Stevenson would be silly enough to do a catchweight bout with Ward; he has lucrative bouts available and anyone that weren't impressed with how he dealt with Cloud are very hard to please; Adonis is a lightheavy and both Ward and Froch career supermiddles - they wouldn't choose to jump a division to face him.
columbo wrote:
Stevenson is no more leaden footed than Froch is. Let's be honest.
True. I just think he'd get to Stevenson who I'm not that dazzled by tbh. Ward would wipe the floor with him.
I don't think Stevenson would be silly enough to do a catchweight bout with Ward; he has lucrative bouts available and anyone that weren't impressed with how he dealt with Cloud are very hard to please; Adonis is a lightheavy and both Ward and Froch career supermiddles - they wouldn't choose to jump a division to face him.
I think that Stevenson is a very good fighter myself. I dont think he'd beat Ward but then I genuinely dont see anyone beating Ward between 168 and 175.
columbo wrote:
Stevenson is no more leaden footed than Froch is. Let's be honest.
True. I just think he'd get to Stevenson who I'm not that dazzled by tbh. Ward would wipe the floor with him.
I don't think Stevenson would be silly enough to do a catchweight bout with Ward; he has lucrative bouts available and anyone that weren't impressed with how he dealt with Cloud are very hard to please; Adonis is a lightheavy and both Ward and Froch career supermiddles - they wouldn't choose to jump a division to face him.
He was a super middle last year Palooka. Cloud was very poor, he's looking finished.
Hopkins would deal with him.
Cloud was always reaching with the jab…which played into Stevenson’s hands. And Cloud would never throw the right until a jab had landed. I was screaming at the TV for him to lead with the right.
Sometimes Tony B has been guilty of being right hand happy. This time it might be a good thing. But save it…Give up the first 3 rounds. Then time him coming in. Keep it straight and tight.
Stevenson is good. Better than I thought. He has to be favourite but Tony is a very live underdog in this fight.
Hagler2002 wrote:It won't even be close, Bellew is geting stopped inside 6 rounds IMO!
Mortgage the house, sell the car, get Wonga'd up and get on, get on indeed! This is like buying money!
As I said on Twitter 3 months ago, if Bellew win this I'll staple my cock to the kitchen table!
Get ready to loose your goldfish then eh mate, you and everyone else is gonna see how to execute a game plan against a highly dangerous fighter.. As for the Bob Ajisafe comments.. It's all part of learning, I basically took him on when nobody would go near him, a tall southpaw Ingle fighter.. Look what he has gone on to do, I've served my apprentiship and I'm ready for a fight of this magnitude, amazing how easily I'm being written off but I'm happy with that as it'll be all the sweeter when I deal with Stevenson..
I do wish you luck but unlike the sh1t sniffers who are telling you you're going to beat Stevenson I think he's going to smash your mask in.
We will soon find out won't we.. Be assured I'll come with a plan, stick to it and walk out that ring the new world champion..
chiggsy wrote:Out of interest who is the wbc number 2 just in case stevenson decides to drop the belt?
Pascal and then Bute and then Dawson.
Cheers bellew probably has a better chance against a faded dawson in l'pool but if i'm being honest i'd still fancy dawson no offence to tony or followers.
No offence taken, I rate him as a great fighter and a very difficult match up..
columbo wrote:
Can I ask you an honest question Tony? Watching him this weekend did realise that he was better than you first possibly originally thought he was? The reason I ask is because in the past you didnt seem to think he had any real boxing ability and that he was mainly a very hard puncher. Anyway cheers.
He's basically a counter puncher who IMHO doesn't believe in his own chin.. He boxed exactly how expected against Cloud. People think con he's a knockout puncher he's a brawler but in fact he's the opposite, he only attacks when he hurts people, he has very quick feet but pays no attention to defence as he's always in control of he pace of a bout.. I bring something different to the table and Ill gladly show him that
Ur very wrong bout his defense... He's got a great defense an doesn't get hit clean much he uses his feet great to judge the distance,plus he's very quick with his feet an gets out wen attacked. When he is attacked he uses his shoulder an body/arms to block/slip whatever is throw at him and his head movement is very good!!
You watching a different fighter? His defence is a mess, he's everywhere when throwing shots and no regard for defence, he's been getting away with this due to his power, when he hits people then tend to either go into a shell or stay hit, he slips nothing! As for his footwork, yes it's very explosive but for the actual technical ability of him it's all wrong! He has no balance when throwing punches and is square on 90% of the time.. Like I said though he gets away with this cos he is such a big puncher.. I'll try to exploit these things like many before me, I believe I can but time will tell..
columbo wrote:
Can I ask you an honest question Tony? Watching him this weekend did realise that he was better than you first possibly originally thought he was? The reason I ask is because in the past you didnt seem to think he had any real boxing ability and that he was mainly a very hard puncher. Anyway cheers.
He's basically a counter puncher who IMHO doesn't believe in his own chin.. He boxed exactly how expected against Cloud. People think con he's a knockout puncher he's a brawler but in fact he's the opposite, he only attacks when he hurts people, he has very quick feet but pays no attention to defence as he's always in control of he pace of a bout.. I bring something different to the table and Ill gladly show him that
Ur very wrong bout his defense... He's got a great defense an doesn't get hit clean much he uses his feet great to judge the distance,plus he's very quick with his feet an gets out wen attacked. When he is attacked he uses his shoulder an body/arms to block/slip whatever is throw at him and his head movement is very good!!
You watching a different fighter? His defence is a mess, he's everywhere when throwing shots and no regard for defence, he's been getting away with this due to his power, when he hits people then tend to either go into a shell or stay hit, he slips nothing! As for his footwork, yes it's very explosive but for the actual technical ability of him it's all wrong! He has no balance when throwing punches and is square on 90% of the time.. Like I said though he gets away with this cos he is such a big puncher.. I'll try to exploit these things like many before me, I believe I can but time will tell..[/quote]
I dunno mate. I agree about his legs being slightly all over the place but he seemed to be slipping the jab quite nicely and then countering with the straight left. I can see you adopting the left hook and then right hand combo. That seems to be one of your favourite combitations. That could work quite well against Stevenson.
I thought it was batman because you can't go out without robbing ha!!
I take it you are under no illusions this guy is going to be alot quicker then you or anybody else you've ever thought & hit harder.
Does your game plan change as you may spot other areas & pick up advice from people on the circuit or do you just stick with the plan you've set & is it from dela hoyas vault ?
Now I have no idea how this fight is going on but being honest I thought Cleverly would beat Tony EASY and I won't be the only poster to think that. Tony proved me wrong that night with his performance and has improved a lot since.
