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Il Duce wrote:I just noticed something,,,,,,

Everytime Mr. Klompton posts something,,,,,,, That One is closely behind........

That One,,,,,,,,are you sure you're giving your new 'buttie'......... a 'common-courtesy' Reach-Around.......

Mr. Klompton get to $110,000 with 11,400 in attendance,,,,,,,,,,,

Just post a general example...........

Here is the seat configuration,,,,,,,,Mr. Windmill

* 900 Temporary Floor Seats..................=
A} 500 {Gold Select}
A} 400 {Outer Ringside}

* 10,500 {Fixed Seating}
A} 3500 {Lower Box}
B} 4000 {Mid-Level}
C} 3000 {Upper Deck/Balcony}

And please don't try to factor in 3000 'Premium Seats' for $20.00 as 'Ringside',,,,,,
Because according to your configuration, the Last Row of the Premium Seats
would be situated in the Denver Coliseum 'Parking Lot'............

TYPO,,,,,,,,,,,,,They released the incorrect information,,,,,,

First: Post your source for this. Second: post your source for all the other bullshit youve been spewing. Third: I fail to see how this refutes what Ive been saying, or more importantly what Milt Wilner said which was:



So either me and Milt are correct. Or you know more than the promoter of the event.

As I said before: You are arguing in circles. You say that the seating was 11200, then 11400, then 14000, now its back to 11400. You said that the "gross net" (no such thing) was 90,000, then you said it was 91,000. You admit that the arena wasnt sold out but have tried to argue that a full house would have done 91,000 (the same figure you argue a 4/5 house would have done). So how does an arena that 4/5 full gross the same as a sellout? Thats the math that doesnt add up. Your math.

Two points that prove you are wrong just by looking at the above: 1. You dont know how many blocks of each ticket price were sold. Thats a fact. and You dont know how many blocks of each ticket price were available. Thats a fact as well. So you cant reach ANY conclusions based on the information that we do know. Point 2. you have argued long and hard that you have a super secret classified for your eyes only double not rated source that stated the gross gate was a very specific: $91,075. So lets dive in to your numbers and see what they say:

* 900 Temporary Floor Seats..................=
A} 500 {Gold Select}
A} 400 {Outer Ringside}

* 10,500 {Fixed Seating}
A} 3500 {Lower Box}
B} 4000 {Mid-Level}
C} 3000 {Upper Deck/Balcony}

500 x $20 = $10,000
400 x $15 = $6,000
3500 x $10 = $35,000
4000 x $7 = $28,000
3000 x $3.50 $10,500

That would bring a gross gate of $89,500 FOR A SOLDOUT HOUSE and we both know it wasnt sold out. You admit that.

So even if you believe your fiction above and the your other fiction that the Denver City Council bought Wilner's empty premium seats, there is no way to reach the number you lied about when you quoted: $91,075. EVEN IF IT WERE SOLD OUT, WHICH IT WASNT...

You are over $1500 short (and before you try to pretend that this accounted for by tax you should be reminded that ticket prices included both the sales tax and stadium tax) which illustrates you dont know the seating configuration or the blocks of tickets. Once again, busted in a lie.

Sources please and I'll stop making you look stupid.

This statement appears lucid.

However, you often appear to be lost in thought.

Perhaps a consequence of being in unfamiliar territory?

I am becoming aware that you use much of your info as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."

All the good humor is already written, it's just a matter of appropriate application.

I'm readin' always readin.....I've never said you don't entertain. And you on occasion educate.

Maybe I should just ask, do you consider yourself a journalist or an editorialist?

Pick the right one, and I will likely have little more to say in regards to your contributions.

I would steal phrases, but I haven't got that kind of time.

Il Duce wrote:
And again, it would have been impossible to bring in $110,000........with a full house of 11,400.

If you do the Math,,,,,,,,,,,in a conventional manner.

Il Duce wrote:April 7, 1959

The Coliseum - Denver, Colorado

Zora Folley - Willi Besmanoff

In the only other large bout held at the Coliseum within the last 2 years.

Attendance.........3975
Live Gate............$15,884

Now, one would agree that the Sonny Liston vs. Zora Folley was a much bigger bout, but
it only drew in 9252............

And again, it would have been impossible to bring in $110,000........with a full house of 11,400.

If you do the Math,,,,,,,,,,,in a conventional manner.


Mr. Box Buzz, you can disagree, but it appears that you only come out from under your Rock when you want
to throw out a 'witty' phrase,,,,,,,,,,,,, that you stole from somebody else......

It takes you all day to come up with......Four Lines and '43' words.....And then you run and 'jump' Off-Line'


Second-Rate Hack.......

Make that Third-Rate.........

Buzz's posts are always short and to the point. That is the sine qua non of a good writer. He should be encouraged and not discouraged.

Il Duce wrote:Read the excerpt,,,,,,

Milt Wilner.......... "Has the Coliseum scaled for 11,400 and $110,000"


Not the City of Denver, who ran the place..........

It was a 'Pre-Fight Press Release' you 'IMBECILE'..............not a result.

Every Promoter 'over exaggerates' the 'Gate' for the Press................

Tell me 'Mr. Carbondale'............what Promoter posts an 'under-estimate'........

So once again your stance is that everyone else is wrong and you are right, even though you have no proof to back up your claims...

Your word is meaningless here. You are a proven liar. Why would anyone listen to you over the facts?

klompton wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Read the excerpt,,,,,,

Milt Wilner.......... "Has the Coliseum scaled for 11,400 and $110,000"


Not the City of Denver, who ran the place..........

It was a 'Pre-Fight Press Release' you 'IMBECILE'..............not a result.

Every Promoter 'over exaggerates' the 'Gate' for the Press................

Tell me 'Mr. Carbondale'............what Promoter posts an 'under-estimate'........

So once again your stance is that everyone else is wrong and you are right, even though you have no proof to back up your claims...

Your word is meaningless here. You are a proven liar. Why would anyone listen to you over the facts?

That's a bit harsh to Il Liberace. I think The Great Prevaricator is more appropriate.

Il Duce wrote:April 7, 1959

The Coliseum - Denver, Colorado

Zora Folley - Willi Besmanoff

In the only other large bout held at the Coliseum within the last 2 years.

Attendance.........3975
Live Gate............$15,884

Now, one would agree that the Sonny Liston vs. Zora Folley was a much bigger bout, but
it only drew in 9252............

And again, it would have been impossible to bring in $110,000........with a full house of 11,400.

If you do the Math,,,,,,,,,,,in a conventional manner.

Once again, the problem with your math here is the ticket prices, which you dont include. Ticket prices for Folley-Besmanoff were far less than what they were for Liston-Folley, hence the far smaller gross gate.

Il Duce wrote:Steve,,,,,,,,,

I may be a 'Third-Rate' Liar, as you again use my phrases {ie; Second-Rate and Third-Rate}.

But you,,,,,,,,,are a Hack Writer who stole most of your information from Bill Paxton..........

Even if you were a third rate liar you still would be a first class polemicist.

Il Duce wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Steve,,,,,,,,,

I may be a 'Proven-Liar', as you again 'doctor' the phrases.

But you,,,,,,,,,are a 'proven' Hack Writer who stole most of your information from Bill Paxton..........

That One,,,since you're sitting next to your new 'buttie', please get the Coffee.

I was complimenting you. Why so angry?

Given the timing of your post I'll attribute it to a lack of fiber in your diet.

Il Duce wrote:That One,,,,,,,

Not angry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I had a very good day.

Made $$$ on the National Bank Of Greece in the Stock Market {NASDAQ}.

Well, congratulations.

Il Duce wrote:Steve,,,,,,,,,

I may be a 'Proven-Liar', as you again 'doctor' the phrases.

But you,,,,,,,,,are a 'proven' Hack Writer who stole most of your information from Bill Paxton..........

You keep that talk up and my lawyer will have a nice time with you and Boxrec. You are treading on thin ice there buddy. Its one thing to talk shit about these fighters who dont pay any attention but when you slander my work, which took over 10 yrs to produce and had nothing to do with Paxton I will not play. Mods I am not joking about this. That shit keeps up and you will find out very fast. You dont want to ban Douche here for his constant lies fine, but he keeps talk like that up and the owners of this site will regret it as much as he will.

Im not playing here. You can attack ME all you like but when you say I stole my work from someone else you have crossed a professional and legal line that I will back up. Try me. Fair warning, Ive already contacted the mods and if it continues I will pursue it.

This is all in fun , even , Giancarlo's barbs. We should know what crosses the line.

Il Dunce while dressed in Liberace suit wrote:
Giancarlo is a 'Dwarf' version of Bundini Brown

Mumble, young man, mumble!