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Posted: **03 Jan 2018, 16:52**

Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:50
MrGuy wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:22
Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 07:09

Bowe would easily have beaten Ruddock, Tua & Morrison if he put his mind to it.

To be fair, he was never really in the reckoning to fight Tua or Morrison as he was done by '96. but he could have fought Ruddock, but preferred the so-called easier option of fighting Pierre Coetzer.
The only heavy he ever looked good against was Holyfield. How was he supposed to beat all those guys?
Holyfield is better than all those guys.

I'm no apologist for Riddick Bowe, but he was better than the one dimensional Razor Ruddock & David Tua.

Morrison was a better skilled than those two, but I don't think he was in Bowe's class.

Bowe had faults; namely being easy to hit, but he was tough & he could fight through adversity.

How was he better than Ruddock or Tua, when he never showed it in the ring? He had more skill, but only used it against one fighter.

Posted: **03 Jan 2018, 20:53**

Bowe never had any skill.... You have to take the 3 Holyfield-Bowe fights in the context of what happened.

Evander admitted he made a big mistake and came in at a super skinny (205) for their FIRST fight.. He had no strength.

For the rematch Holyfield built himself into a fair sized 217-pound Heavyweight and outboxed Bowe....

For the 3rd match Holyfield suffered from a heart condition... He faded like a storm cloud after dropping it's rain.

Posted: **09 Jan 2018, 05:57**

Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:50
MrGuy wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:22
Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 07:09

Bowe would easily have beaten Ruddock, Tua & Morrison if he put his mind to it.

To be fair, he was never really in the reckoning to fight Tua or Morrison as he was done by '96. but he could have fought Ruddock, but preferred the so-called easier option of fighting Pierre Coetzer.
The only heavy he ever looked good against was Holyfield. How was he supposed to beat all those guys?
Holyfield is better than all those guys.

I'm no apologist for Riddick Bowe, but he was better than the one dimensional Razor Ruddock & David Tua.

Morrison was a better skilled than those two, but I don't think he was in Bowe's class.

Bowe had faults; namely being easy to hit, but he was tough & he could fight through adversity.

Excellent post.

Posted: **09 Jan 2018, 18:00**

Ned Merrill wrote: ↑09 Jan 2018, 05:57
Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:50
MrGuy wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:22
The only heavy he ever looked good against was Holyfield. How was he supposed to beat all those guys?
Holyfield is better than all those guys.

I'm no apologist for Riddick Bowe, but he was better than the one dimensional Razor Ruddock & David Tua.

Morrison was a better skilled than those two, but I don't think he was in Bowe's class.

Bowe had faults; namely being easy to hit, but he was tough & he could fight through adversity.
Excellent post.

How'd ya know if Bowe was better than Morrison, Tua, or Ruddock - since he never fought them and Lewis DID???

Bowe never fought any puncher... He was like Joe Frazier.... A puncher would tear his head off and poop down his neck...

Posted: **09 Jan 2018, 18:24**

Kalan.....stop it, you risk embarrassment in front of your teeming throngs of fans.

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 02:37**

You risk embarrassment every time you dress yourself ..... or order spaghetti with extra meat sauce...

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 06:47**

Kalan wrote: ↑09 Jan 2018, 18:00
Ned Merrill wrote: ↑09 Jan 2018, 05:57
Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:50

Holyfield is better than all those guys.

I'm no apologist for Riddick Bowe, but he was better than the one dimensional Razor Ruddock & David Tua.

Morrison was a better skilled than those two, but I don't think he was in Bowe's class.

Bowe had faults; namely being easy to hit, but he was tough & he could fight through adversity.
Excellent post.
How'd ya know if Bowe was better than Morrison, Tua, or Ruddock - since he never fought them and Lewis DID???

excellent question, it brings up another one which is very similar in concept:

how'd ya know if Wilt Chamberlain was better than Ali, considering he never boxed at all?

what a silly inconsistent little hypocrite kalan is.

don't be like kalan, kids.

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 10:57**

Kalan wrote: ↑10 Jan 2018, 02:37 You risk embarrassment every time you dress yourself ..... or order spaghetti with extra meat sauce...

Bowe beat Holyfield.....(fan man fight was an outlier as you are well aware but your bias won't allow you to mention it) Bowe at his best was genuinely formidable....and he was only at his best for several nanoseconds. But anyone without an agenda would make that known. Your bias's trip you up quite often. Holyfield was far more competitive with Lewis than with Bowe....and that has meaning. But it doesn't fit your comedy sketch.

Your expressions of Holy being "Too skinny" the first time and facing "heart failure" the third time....while making no mention of the fan man event is nothing less than golden comedy material.

But I for one appreciate comedy. You make folks laugh.....something the world desperately needs. And that's why I value your input. Nothing more healing than a good laugh. I just hope no one here gets confused between good comedy, and a good work of Non Fiction.

You produce both from time to time.....the problem (as I see it) is that you leave it for the reader to figure out which is which.

You probably should make it your business to publish disclaimers for the reader, as to minimize confusion between your two genres.

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 13:33**

Kalan wrote: ↑09 Jan 2018, 18:00
Ned Merrill wrote: ↑09 Jan 2018, 05:57
Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jan 2018, 14:50

Holyfield is better than all those guys.

I'm no apologist for Riddick Bowe, but he was better than the one dimensional Razor Ruddock & David Tua.

Morrison was a better skilled than those two, but I don't think he was in Bowe's class.

Bowe had faults; namely being easy to hit, but he was tough & he could fight through adversity.
Excellent post.
How'd ya know if Bowe was better than Morrison, Tua, or Ruddock - since he never fought them and Lewis DID???

Bowe never fought any puncher... He was like Joe Frazier.... A puncher would tear his head off and poop down his neck...

It's the same way how you 'know' that Wilt Chamberlain would have beaten Muhammad Ali.

We're all entitled to our beliefs & opinions, however outlandish & crazy some of them might be.

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 14:58**

Or however based on FACTS they might be ..... instead of MYTHS

The FACT is both Ali and Chamberlain hired teams of lawyers who painstakingly negotiated a contract to FIGHT that allowed Chamberlain to be train in Boxing for an entire NBA Basketball off season (six moths).... Chamberlain signed that contract but Ali never would sign the contract out of fear... Ali appeared with Chamberlain on TV shows promoting their coming fight....but refused to sign the contract to fight Chamberlain....

Through all his bluster, Ali was as scared to death of Chamberlain as Floyd Patterson was of Sonny Liston.... Patterson spared with Wilt and jokingly said, "If Wilt quits Basketball to become a boxer, I ain't fighting him... I'll go play basketball."

Rather than sign the contract Ali said mealy mouthed things like this to Chamberlain: "I accept your challenge, after I fight a few more contenders, IF I beat them." and "Don't rush things. Hold you pen." Those statements are made in this video, where a thoroughly frustrated Chamberlain wants to know "How Long" its going to take for Ali to sign the contract.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 15:04**

Silly Kalan doesn't even notice his own glaring inconsistencies

Don't be like Kalan, kids

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 15:57**

WHAT inconsistencies???? .... You're so stupid you refuse to check out FACTS....

I've been very consistent on this... Chamberlain challenged Ali for his Heavyweight Championship Belt... The Boxing Commission ruled the fight could take place... They both hired teams of lawyers to negotiate and draw up a contract that Wilt Chamberlain signed .... but Ali got cold feet and REFUSED to sign.... and started saying things like... "I accept your challenge... AFTER I fight a few more contenders ..... IF I beat them." WTF is that??? .... Ali was scared to death.

Here's positive proof.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 16:44**

Kalan wrote: ↑10 Jan 2018, 15:57 WHAT inconsistencies???? .... You're so stupid you refuse to check out FACTS....

I've been very consistent on this... Chamberlain challenged Ali for his Heavyweight Championship Belt... The Boxing Commission ruled the fight could take place... They both hired teams of lawyers to negotiate and draw up a contract that Wilt Chamberlain signed .... but Ali got cold feet and REFUSED to sign.... and started saying things like... "I accept your challenge... AFTER I fight a few more contenders ..... IF I beat them." WTF is that??? .... Ali was scared to death.

Here's positive proof.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Kholer is the most consistent contributor here.......the kicker is that his stellar consistency IS his inconsistency.

Nevertheless......credit where credit is due.

Posted: **10 Jan 2018, 20:35**

WHAT inconsistency???? I've never changed on this, or on most anything. You can't grasp a damned thing.

I've always said a great athlete beats a great boxer ... and a great big athlete beats a great little athlete... I've always said great form, balance, coordination, speed, strength, vision, flexibility, agility, reflexes, intelligence, ambition, diligence, discipline, toughness, courage etc -- gives you several legs up on the competition... And obviously if you can combine all of that with great height, weight, and reach you're going to beat just about anybody in the world...

Tyson Fury had a few of those qualities and could have made a lot happen - but intelligence, ambition, work ethic, discipline, and courage??? Give me a break dude, he didn't have 'em... That man is an emotional basket-case.

Floyd Patterson had a better career than Sonny Liston... He got an earlier start... He won the Heavyweight Title at 21... He was better matched and managed... But when he met Liston??? .... Get out of my face dude, he got murdered.

Posted: **11 Jan 2018, 11:03**

Well you have consistently insisted that an athlete who never boxed a single pro round in his lifetime was a shoe in to defeat one of the greatest HW's of all time. No if's and's or arses.

So like I say....I'm not arguing that you are not consistent. You are consistently controversial.....and on more than several occasions you have been enlightening.....it just takes a fair bit of sorting to figure out if you are having a brilliant day.....or a rainy day.

Posted: **11 Jan 2018, 15:06**

For you BuzzBox... You'd have to sort all day to make sense of anything... Like Dubya trying to grasp nuclear physics.

That's why I try to make it easy for you... Chamberlain was a very good businessman.. Everyone who wrestled or "play boxed" with him told him he could beat any man alive... At a party Wilt bragged to Jimmy Brown that he could out-sprint anybody in the NBA... Brown said "I'd leave you in the dust." .... Chamberlain said "Let's go outside and see."

According to Brown, they went outside, took off their shoes and socks and took a mark... Brown said "GO" and took off like a rocket... Wilt cruised right past him with little effort... Brown said words to the effect of the following... This is not word for word. "I'm one of the fastest backs in the NFL. You should be a wide receiver with your speed, jumping ability, long arms, and great hands. You'd destroy everybody."

Wilt said, "The NBA and NFL seasons overlap too much... But everybody tells me to try Boxing... With my size, strength, height, speed, arm length and strength, and the size of my hands... You know my fists are much bigger than Sonny Liston's... I met him and he said I'd beat anybody in Boxing... Boxing has no season to it.... I could fight Ali in the off-season and rake in millions."

Brown said, "I know Cus D'Amato. He's the best coach and matchmaker in Boxing. A really interesting guy. I know Patterson too. They don't get along right now, but I want you to meet them." .... Anyway, D'Amato didn't snow anybody... He told Wilt not to worry about warm up fights because they would put Ali on notice... He in effect said, "In Boxing nobody has to fight anybody. We're all independent contractors and decide who we want to fight or not fight. We don't want to scare Ali off. Challenge Ali in the media and and he'll feel compelled to fight you... Have the fight scheduled for the end of an off season so you'll have 6 months to learn everything there is about Boxing. You have about the best natural stance, balance, and foot movement I've ever seen.

Ali's the perfect opponent for you because he can't fight inside and has no body attack... He uses his height and range to box everybody from the outside and ties them up in close... That's perfect for you... He can't tie you up--nobody could... With your reach, punching power, and hand speed, you can pink him up with your jab at a distance where he can't possibly reach you... All you have to do is wait for him to try to get to get close and smash his head off with a straight right left uppercut combo... It's be Lights Out and you'll be Heavyweight Champion of the World... At that point you might decide to take a year off Basketball... One Title Defense and you'll make 10 X as much as you do in an entire NBA season."

Ali accepted Wilt's challenge to fight .... i.e. verbally... Their legal teams negotiated and drew up a contract that Chamberlain signed.... Immediately top media professionals started inviting them on TV as viewer bait... Everybody started talking about the fight because they were the 2 best known athletes on Earth... But Ali started getting cold feet when he found out Wilt was aligning himself with D'Amato and other smart Boxing insiders... He refused to sign the contract and started saying things like "I accept your challenge. After I fight a few more contenders .... IF I beat them."

When Wilt and Ali appeared on TV together to promote the fight, Wilt asked Ali if he would sign the contract his team negotiated, and WHEN exactly he intended to sign it.... Ali said... "Don't start popping off.".... Wilt said, "I'm not popping, I just want to know how long." .... Ali said, "Don't rush things... Hold your pen." .... Chamberlain said "But you can't tell me how long can you?" .... Here's the conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

It was becoming increasingly clear that Ali had no intention of signing anything that would obligate him to fight one of the best, most dominant, and most intimidating athletes who ever appeared on the world scene.

Posted: **12 Jan 2018, 09:40**

Kalan wrote: ↑10 Jan 2018, 14:58 Or however based on FACTS they might be ..... instead of MYTHS

The FACT is both Ali and Chamberlain hired teams of lawyers who painstakingly negotiated a contract to FIGHT that allowed Chamberlain to be train in Boxing for an entire NBA Basketball off season (six moths).... Chamberlain signed that contract but Ali never would sign the contract out of fear... Ali appeared with Chamberlain on TV shows promoting their coming fight....but refused to sign the contract to fight Chamberlain....

Through all his bluster, Ali was as scared to death of Chamberlain as Floyd Patterson was of Sonny Liston.... Patterson spared with Wilt and jokingly said, "If Wilt quits Basketball to become a boxer, I ain't fighting him... I'll go play basketball."

Rather than sign the contract Ali said mealy mouthed things like this to Chamberlain: "I accept your challenge, after I fight a few more contenders, IF I beat them." and "Don't rush things. Hold you pen." Those statements are made in this video, where a thoroughly frustrated Chamberlain wants to know "How Long" its going to take for Ali to sign the contract.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

There's no need to repeat chapter & verse about this.

You've told us all about the Ali/Chamberlain situation in great detail many times previously.

This has only been brought up because you were questioning why folk would tip Bowe to beat the likes of Morrison, Tua & Ruddock, having never fought them, yet you yourself must have predicted that Boxer A would be victorious against Boxer B had they ever fought.

You even predicted that a basketball player who had never boxed in his life would defeat one of the greatest HW boxers ever, when that said boxer was close to his prime; an opinion I myself happen to think is crazy, but I would never take away your right to hold that opinion because opinions are not facts, they're just opinions.

Posted: **12 Jan 2018, 12:43**

Syntax Error wrote: ↑12 Jan 2018, 09:40
Kalan wrote: ↑10 Jan 2018, 14:58 Or however based on FACTS they might be ..... instead of MYTHS

The FACT is both Ali and Chamberlain hired teams of lawyers who painstakingly negotiated a contract to FIGHT that allowed Chamberlain to be train in Boxing for an entire NBA Basketball off season (six moths).... Chamberlain signed that contract but Ali never would sign the contract out of fear... Ali appeared with Chamberlain on TV shows promoting their coming fight....but refused to sign the contract to fight Chamberlain....

Through all his bluster, Ali was as scared to death of Chamberlain as Floyd Patterson was of Sonny Liston.... Patterson spared with Wilt and jokingly said, "If Wilt quits Basketball to become a boxer, I ain't fighting him... I'll go play basketball."

Rather than sign the contract Ali said mealy mouthed things like this to Chamberlain: "I accept your challenge, after I fight a few more contenders, IF I beat them." and "Don't rush things. Hold you pen." Those statements are made in this video, where a thoroughly frustrated Chamberlain wants to know "How Long" its going to take for Ali to sign the contract.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s
There's no need to repeat chapter & verse about this.

You've told us all about the Ali/Chamberlain situation in great detail many times previously.

This has only been brought up because you were questioning why folk would tip Bowe to beat the likes of Morrison, Tua & Ruddock, having never fought them, yet you yourself must have predicted that Boxer A would be victorious against Boxer B had they ever fought.

You even predicted that a basketball player who had never boxed in his life would defeat one of the greatest HW boxers ever, when that said boxer was close to his prime; an opinion I myself happen to think is crazy, but I would never take away your right to hold that opinion because opinions are not facts, they're just opinions.

The fact that Wilt would have smashed Ali's lights out is not an opinion I hold without justification... Wilt challenged Ali and signed the contract... Ali wouldn't even give anybody a clue as to WHEN he would sign the contract.... Ali was scared to death of Wilt. You SAW what happens to boxers who are scared out of their wits in the Liston-Patterson.... Tyson-Spinks.... and Foreman-Frazier fights... I don't see any possible way Ali could win that fight against such a superior athlete... and that's the reason Ali kept making excuses for not signing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

And Riddick Bowe's chicken ass never signed to fight ANY big puncher.... His chicken behind was scared of anybody who could hit -- mainly: Lewis, Mercer, McCall, Ruddock, Tyson, and Tua... Morrison wasn't that good a hitter in my view, but that fight never happened either... However Morrison might not have even beaten Golota. That would be an even fight.

At least Morrison fought Lewis, Mercer, and Ruddock... He wasn't very good but he wasn't a coward.

Anybody who dumps their belt in a garbage can rather than fight is a coward.

Posted: **12 Jan 2018, 13:17**

whereas Wilt fought many, many, many, many punchers.

don't be like kalan, kids.

Posted: **12 Jan 2018, 17:14**

Boxers have to want to fight each other to fight... If one doesn't want to fight no fight happens... Boxers are independent contractors... In many pro sports you CAN’T pick and chose who you want to compete with... In Boxing you can.

In Boxing you can trash your Title Belt in a garbage can - like cowardly Bowe did....

Or you can do Dog & Pony shows with Wilt Chamberlain on TV, pretending that you're going to fight him... But when Wilt asks you point blank "How Long" it will take you to sign the contract??? Ali knew he was squeezed into a corner…

So all Ali did was obfuscate or clam up when Wilt asked him a straight forward question: “Exactly when are you going to sign to fight me?” Needless to say that was the last promotional appearance Wilt and Ali did together because Wilt wanted a straightforward answer to a basic question. “Are you ever going to sign to fight me or are we just bullshitting the public here???” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Posted: **12 Jan 2018, 22:31**

Kalan wrote: ↑11 Jan 2018, 15:06 For you BuzzBox... You'd have to sort all day to make sense of anything... Like Dubya trying to grasp nuclear physics.

That's why I try to make it easy for you... Chamberlain was a very good businessman.. Everyone who wrestled or "play boxed" with him told him he could beat any man alive... At a party Wilt bragged to Jimmy Brown that he could out-sprint anybody in the NBA... Brown said "I'd leave you in the dust." .... Chamberlain said "Let's go outside and see."

According to Brown, they went outside, took off their shoes and socks and took a mark... Brown said "GO" and took off like a rocket... Wilt cruised right past him with little effort... Brown said words to the effect of the following... This is not word for word. "I'm one of the fastest backs in the NFL. You should be a wide receiver with your speed, jumping ability, long arms, and great hands. You'd destroy everybody."

Wilt said, "The NBA and NFL seasons overlap too much... But everybody tells me to try Boxing... With my size, strength, height, speed, arm length and strength, and the size of my hands... You know my fists are much bigger than Sonny Liston's... I met him and he said I'd beat anybody in Boxing... Boxing has no season to it.... I could fight Ali in the off-season and rake in millions."

Brown said, "I know Cus D'Amato. He's the best coach and matchmaker in Boxing. A really interesting guy. I know Patterson too. They don't get along right now, but I want you to meet them." .... Anyway, D'Amato didn't snow anybody... He told Wilt not to worry about warm up fights because they would put Ali on notice... He in effect said, "In Boxing nobody has to fight anybody. We're all independent contractors and decide who we want to fight or not fight. We don't want to scare Ali off. Challenge Ali in the media and and he'll feel compelled to fight you... Have the fight scheduled for the end of an off season so you'll have 6 months to learn everything there is about Boxing. You have about the best natural stance, balance, and foot movement I've ever seen.

Ali's the perfect opponent for you because he can't fight inside and has no body attack... He uses his height and range to box everybody from the outside and ties them up in close... That's perfect for you... He can't tie you up--nobody could... With your reach, punching power, and hand speed, you can pink him up with your jab at a distance where he can't possibly reach you... All you have to do is wait for him to try to get to get close and smash his head off with a straight right left uppercut combo... It's be Lights Out and you'll be Heavyweight Champion of the World... At that point you might decide to take a year off Basketball... One Title Defense and you'll make 10 X as much as you do in an entire NBA season."

Ali accepted Wilt's challenge to fight .... i.e. verbally... Their legal teams negotiated and drew up a contract that Chamberlain signed.... Immediately top media professionals started inviting them on TV as viewer bait... Everybody started talking about the fight because they were the 2 best known athletes on Earth... But Ali started getting cold feet when he found out Wilt was aligning himself with D'Amato and other smart Boxing insiders... He refused to sign the contract and started saying things like "I accept your challenge. After I fight a few more contenders .... IF I beat them."

When Wilt and Ali appeared on TV together to promote the fight, Wilt asked Ali if he would sign the contract his team negotiated, and WHEN exactly he intended to sign it.... Ali said... "Don't start popping off.".... Wilt said, "I'm not popping, I just want to know how long." .... Ali said, "Don't rush things... Hold your pen." .... Chamberlain said "But you can't tell me how long can you?" .... Here's the conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

It was becoming increasingly clear that Ali had no intention of signing anything that would obligate him to fight one of the best, most dominant, and most intimidating athletes who ever appeared on the world scene.

Your story on this grows with every telling. This is chock full of "late breaking details" of the negotiations, and you are generously sharing with us "insider information". Luckily this is not the stock market, and there is no "overseeing authority" to impose a punishment...........as Al Gore would have put it.

The actual fact is far more simple.....Wilt listened to his daddy, who suggested he not really go through with such a risky endeavor. And that's the final chapter....and the reason WHY it never happened. But if you keep embellishing this story long enough, it won't be long before you'll be telling us that the fight DID happen......and you will proceed in happily reporting to us just what the results were.

I wait in anticipation to know the results of this "alternative dimensional encounter" that actually transpired, but was quashed from any reporting because it was placed on "double secret info lockdown" by Trump/Obama/Bush and all their various Cronies.

Fortunately we have you to make sense of it all, and give us an accurate accounting.

Posted: **13 Jan 2018, 15:19**

There are no late breaking details... That video has been on the Internet for years to put the LIE to people who said Ali wanted the fight and Chamberlain is the man who didn't want the fight.... Chamberlain challenged Ali, no vice versa.

SHOW me a video of Wilt’s father telling him fighting Ali would be risky – when Wilt was flagged by police aircraft for driving 150 miles an hour and played many 82-game Basketball seasons battling frustrated 250-pound forwards and centers who would gang up on him and blast him in the head to try to slow him down... To the point where Chamberlain set the all-time record for MAKING foul shots in a game which was 28... That record might still be standing.

The daddy thing is a story you pulled out of your ass. You have no proof of that or that Wilt wouldn’t fight anyone for millions of dollars regardless... The video of one of Chamberlain and Ali’s promotional appearances to hype the fight is there for 7 Billion people to view if they have access to the Internet... Chamberlain CLEARLY asks Ali how long it might take him to sign the contract to fight when Ali says “don’t rush things. Hold your pen.” Are you deaf that you couldn’t hear that???

WTF were they doing promoting a fight that Ali didn’t want to rush into and wanted to fight a “few more contenders” first???

Who was bullshitting the public and putting off the fight there???

BE HONEST DAMN YOU!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Posted: **13 Jan 2018, 15:59**

Wilt did not want the fight. Ali was fine with it.

Wilt didn't pursue the actual champion when it changed hands.......

Why? Was it because he was a bit more worried about the standing champion?

Cmon...he either wanted it or didn't want it......he had no personal vendettal with Ali....

he just "Wilted" when push came to shove. And that is a fact.....since there was no fight that ultimately transpired between Wilt and any HW champion.......or top 10 contender......or top 100 contender......or any of there mommy's or daddy's.

Just how do you think that term was coined?

Posted: **13 Jan 2018, 16:35**

You're making dumb, cheap shot comments as usual .... but that's your speed...

Wilt challenged Ali... Ali didn't challenge Wilt... Wilt wanted the fight... Ali had to accept or reject the challenge... Reporters immediately asked Ali if he would fight Chamberlain... Someone like Patterson would be honest… He might say “Are you trying to get me killed?” but Ali wasn’t the type to be modest or honest about his abilities, or lack of them... Ali said he would accept Wilt’s challenge knowing full well he wouldn’t... But he only did verbally he refused to obligate himself contractually.

You refuse to answer the questions I posed in the last post...

Which are ‘Why was Ali on TV promoting a fight if he wanted to fight “a few more contenders” first??? "IF I beat them.” You have NO answer for that. And why are you on TV promoting a fight where you haven’t signed the contract and won’t tell ANYONE WHEN you intend to sign a contract and don't want to "rush things" .... Wilt wasn’t trying to embarrass Ali, he just wanted to fight and wanted to know WHEN Ali would sign.

IF Ali wanted to fight would he tell Wilt WHEN he’d sign to fight him???

Don’t obfuscate further like Ali did… ANSWER those questions before you go on.

Posted: **16 Jan 2018, 02:01**

Old-N-Moldie, you like to talk about killing people don't you? .... You're so mentally ill you must wear your ass for a hat....

Now you're saying Wilt Chamberlain was a "fukkin idiot basketball player" although he was the best paid player of his day and held more individual records than any other athlete in sports... To you everybody is a fukkin idiot... Your thing is not to debate boxing with common sense, but to hate on anybody who disagrees with you and be a keyboad tough guy....

Why don't you jump into a giant vat of cow manure? .... It would improve your appearance and hopefully drowned you.

Chamberlain challenged Ali and the fight would have broken all records... It was an "Event" everyone would watch.

Ali accepted the challenge verbally.... He knew the fight would be a sensational draw.... They both hired legal teams to negotiate and draw up an contract which Chamberlain signed... They appeared on TV in joint appearances promoting the fight - but there was a snag... Ali got cold feet and wouldn't sign the contact when he found out Wilt was aligning himself with some very smart Boxing people... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Ali started obfuscating... Such as "I accept your challenge, AFTER I fight a few more contenders, IF I BEAT THEM."

Since it takes 2 to fight Chamberlain asked Ali "How Long" it would take for him to sign the contract to fight.

From his demeanor, that was obviously NOT a question Ali wanted to hear... He had no intention of signing.

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