Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Joe's title opposition was better than Mike's.

Even if true Mike would have annihilated all of Joe's victims. None would have come close to beating him.

Perhaps

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tyrell Biggs isn't going to fair well with Louis either.

[Counter-puncher]

TOO FAST! TOO POWERFUL! TOO EXPLOSIVE! NOBODY COULD LIVE WITH PEAK/APEX/CUS&TEAM/PRE-GIVENS/PRE-PRISON TYSON!!!!!!!!

[Ambling Alp II]

Nobody could match Prime Tyson, could they? Not with Cus, Rooney and the gang!

There a re a lot of possible scenarios with this one. Louis would win this more often than not. He was an extremely accurate puncher; he would not have trouble hitting Tyson. He also would not panic if things went bad early on; Tyson would.

[Kalan]

Louis would not have beaten the Tyson who fought Spinks and Holmes ...

Louis had no competition... There were no Buster Douglas's or Lennox Lewis's in the Brown Bomber's day... If there were a Gene Tunney around or a Jack Johnson around Louis would not have ruled... Not when you see what 174-pound Billy Conn did to Louis for 12 rounds.. Max Schmeling showed that a prime Louis had major holes in his game.. Buster Douglas showed the same about Tyson.. The only problem is Schmeling went 6'1" X 192.. Douglas ran 6'4" X 232.. Let's not pretend that any big guy Louis fought had boxing skills to even match Frank Bruno -- because none of them did.. None of those clowns would be heard from today.

And Tyson wouldn't have let a little dude like Billy Conn exist in the same ring... Give me a break!

[walshb]

Tyrell Biggs isn't going to fair well with Louis either.

Biggs was 6 feet 5 inches and a SHW OLympic champion. Joe Louis was too small to be a threat in the 80s and 90s. Joe would have been a CW had he competed. Biggs would have jabbed him to death, and at 230 lbs he would have had enough pop to hurt and KO Louis.....

Louis' opposition was nothing special if looked at as HWs today. Nothing. They would be journeymen if boxing today.

[walshb]

Nobody could match Prime Tyson, could they? Not with Cus, Rooney and the gang!

There a re a lot of possible scenarios with this one. Louis would win this more often than not. He was an extremely accurate puncher; he would not have trouble hitting Tyson. He also would not panic if things went bad early on; Tyson would.

Panic? What's to panic about when you're flat out on your back? And he would be as soon as Mike lands clean...

[Tony1244]

My first thought is I don't know who wins but I think they both go down


My second thought is if they both go down, Tyson doesn't get up. Louis on heart and discipline.

[Jaywheel]

In the last page, I've learnt that Tyson had such advanced defensive techniques and prowess and that he lived in the inside game. Thanks.

[Counter-puncher]

In the last page, I've learnt that Tyson had such advanced defensive techniques and prowess and that he lived in the inside game. Thanks.

[Ambling Alp II]

We also learned that Joe Louis would be a cruiserweight today.

[Kalan]

We also learned forget that Joe Louis would be a cruiserweight today.

What would you call Marciano (184)... Charles (184.5)... and Schmeling (192)... They were all too small to be Cruiserweights, but they all beat Louis handily

[Kalan]

In the last page, I've learnt that Tyson had such advanced defensive techniques and prowess and that he lived in the inside game. Thanks.

Tyson had very short arms and was a very short, super tough heavyweight. He was powerfully built like a tank and ran over many medium sized big guys who could box from the outside very well... In fact a couple of them boxed better than Louis if you watch his Conn or Schmeling fights...

Take a second to THINK!!! This stuff isn’t Rocket Science kido

Do you think Tyson's game would be dancing around the parameter of the ring... jabbing and boxing from the outside... and trying to keep you off of HIM??? Or would it be attacking, cutting the ring, getting close where his short, powerful arms gave him a tremendous leverage advantage -- and where he smashed many bigger and taller challengers out cold -- as he did to Michael Spinks... who was the undefeated Lineal Heavyweight Champion... and was 31-0... and was bigger and taller and more skillful than Louis... and had never been beaten or knocked down before... and was knocked stiff in 91 seconds by Tyson... whose strategy wasn't jabbing and moving.

[Ambling Alp II]

We also learned forget that Joe Louis would be a cruiserweight today.

What would you call Marciano (184)... Charles (184.5)... and Schmeling (192)... They were all too small to be Cruiserweights, but they all beat Louis handily

Since you asked: This means that Marciano, Charles, and Schmeling would be eligible to fight as cruiserweights since the early 1980s.
You didn't mention that Louis was well past it when he fought Charles and Marciano.
You also neglected to mention that he won the rematch against Schmeling.

Something else you forgot to mention: Louis stopped Simon (255.5).... Buddy Baer (250).... and Primo Carnera (260)...

It's about skill, will, and intelligence, not the needle on the scale.

So yeah, I think Joe Louis would be a heavyweight if he was fighting today.

[Kalan]

We also learned forget that Joe Louis would be a cruiserweight today.

What would you call Marciano (184)... Charles (184.5)... and Schmeling (192)... They were all too small to be Cruiserweights, but they all beat Louis handily

Since you asked: This means that Marciano, Charles, and Schmeling would be eligible to fight as cruiserweights since the early 1980s.
You didn't mention that Louis was well past it when he fought Charles and Marciano.
You also neglected to mention that he won the rematch against Schmeling.

Something else you forgot to mention: Louis stopped Simon (255.5).... Buddy Baer (250).... and Primo Carnera (260)...

It's about skill, will, and intelligence, not the needle on the scale.

So yeah, I think Joe Louis would be a heavyweight if he was fighting today.

What intelligence? Louis wasn't bright. He'd be a cruiserweight today... and get his ass beaten by Oleksandr Usyk... He'd get boxed to death and knocked out.

YOU neglected to say Buddy Baer weighed 237 for their first fight... And put on 13 pounds of flab for their rematch a few months later... You neglected to say Simon, Baer, and Carnera were all terrible athletes who couldn't box worth a crap... You neglected to say Schmeling was denied his shot at Braddock after he knocked out Louis -- and was pretty much blackballed and denied top fights while Louis got any fight he wanted... including the next title shot at Braddock who hadn't seen ring action for over 2 years.

Schmeling was rusted out and not the same boxer after they forced him to wait over 2 years for the rematch... He was completely gone.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tyrell Biggs isn't going to fair well with Louis either.

Biggs was 6 feet 5 inches and a SHW OLympic champion. Joe Louis was too small to be a threat in the 80s and 90s. Joe would have been a CW had he competed. Biggs would have jabbed him to death, and at 230 lbs he would have had enough pop to hurt and KO Louis.....

Louis' opposition was nothing special if looked at as HWs today. Nothing. They would be journeymen if boxing today.

[Kalan]

TRUE!!! ... Louis had no competition.. His challengers were almost laughed off the planet as the "Bum of the Month Club"

[Ambling Alp II]

What would you call Marciano (184)... Charles (184.5)... and Schmeling (192)... They were all too small to be Cruiserweights, but they all beat Louis handily

Since you asked: This means that Marciano, Charles, and Schmeling would be eligible to fight as cruiserweights since the early 1980s.
You didn't mention that Louis was well past it when he fought Charles and Marciano.
You also neglected to mention that he won the rematch against Schmeling.

Something else you forgot to mention: Louis stopped Simon (255.5).... Buddy Baer (250).... and Primo Carnera (260)...

It's about skill, will, and intelligence, not the needle on the scale.

So yeah, I think Joe Louis would be a heavyweight if he was fighting today.

What intelligence? Louis wasn't bright. He'd be a cruiserweight today... and get his ass beaten by Oleksandr Usyk... He'd get boxed to death and knocked out.

YOU neglected to say Buddy Baer weighed 237 for their first fight... And put on 13 pounds of flab for their rematch a few months later... You neglected to say Simon, Baer, and Carnera were all terrible athletes who couldn't box worth a crap... You neglected to say Schmeling was denied his shot at Braddock after he knocked out Louis -- and was pretty much blackballed and denied top fights while Louis got any fight he wanted... including the next title shot at Braddock who hadn't seen ring action for over 2 years.

Schmeling was rusted out and not the same boxer after they forced him to wait over 2 years for the rematch... He was completely gone.

Your act got old a long time ago.

[Kalan]

You're as full of bias and gas as always.

[loli]

joe louis destroyed primo carnera (260 LBS) and max baer (great chin and great) mike tyson,he has not great chin,and is a great puncher,but he did not have good opposition

[Kalan]

Nobody could match Prime Tyson, could they? Not with Cus, Rooney and the gang!

There a re a lot of possible scenarios with this one. Louis would win this more often than not. He was an extremely accurate puncher; he would not have trouble hitting Tyson. He also would not panic if things went bad early on; Tyson would.

Panic? What's to panic about when you're flat out on your back? And he would be as soon as Mike lands clean...

One thing Tyson did do was fight better competition than Louis... Louis certainly never fought anyone as skilled AND big as 6'4" X 232 Buster Douglas.... 6'5" X 250 Lennox Lewis... or 6'2" X 218 Evander Holyfield...

An aging Max Schmeling, 6'1" X 192, was still a terrific counter puncher and probably the best fighter Louis fought... He knocked out a prime Louis... He managed to waste the undersized Schmeling, but Max Baer was a wide open swinger you couldn't miss. Same thing with Carnera.... Baer and Sharkey hit The Alp with big loaded shots but couldn't nail Louis..

The only real good boxers Louis fought were the 174lb Billy Conn and Ezzard Charles... Walcott was easy to hit, suffered many losses, and got knocked out a lot too... A prime Louis or Charles wouldn't have had any trouble with him... Charles was suffering the early inroads of ALS after beating Walcott twice - and later he lost to an aging Walcott.

Tyson was fast and a very compact puncher... Louis did get hit a lot by Billy Conn... Louis had a great jab and great weapons... Both Louis and Tyson chased a lot of tail and often stayed out at night... They both were very disciplined for their first 2 years in the pro business, and possibly weren't at their best for too much longer than that...

But at their best -- I do see Louis landing a lot of jabs on Tyson, but still getting run over within 3 rounds.

[bedfordjamie]

if joe Louis could knockout canera at 260 lbs abe simon at 255 lbs buddy baer at 250 lbs then he could obviously beat much bigger men than tyson

[Kalan]

Anyone got any film of Joe Louis completely missing with a punch and falling over like tyson does at 1.18 of this clip?

Louis fell down 12 times -- assisted by punches to the head.... Louis went down more often and easier than Tyson.

Tyson had smoke coming out of his ears when he faced soft Alex Stewart... He wanted to obliterate him instantly and wasn't worried about the incoming or missing any punches... A 1-round job for Mike, cuz Alex Stewart wasn't real big, tall, or strong was he?? .... Kind of like the 6'2" X 212 Michael Spinks - who just happened to be the UNDEFEATED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD, 31-0 -- who beat ATG Larry Holmes twice.... Iron Mike blitzed Michael Spinks even faster than he blew out tyro Stewart.... A year later Stewart beat the living shitt out of George Foreman---a great big, slow Heavyweight like Carnea and Simon -- only much tougher and a much better boxer and puncher than either stumbling oaf.

Question -- Did Joe Louis ever beat anyone as skilled as Michael Spinks or Larry Holmes??? ... 174-pound Billy Conn???

Hmmmm........ How'd that go for 12 rounds????

[Kalan]

if joe Louis could knockout canera at 260 lbs abe simon at 255 lbs buddy baer at 250 lbs then he could obviously beat much bigger men than tyson

And Mike Tyson easily beat much more skilled big men such as: Heavyweight Champion BoneCrusher Smith.... Heavyweight Champion Frank Bruno.... and top contender Razor Ruddock... Those 3 would decimate Carnera and Simon.

Was light hitting Eddie Chambers an ATG??? .... He was a Cruiserweight in size... He easily beat 6'8" X 257 Alexander Dimitrenko, who had a strong amateur background -- and was a much better boxer and puncher than either Simon or Baer.... Didn't a lot of guys knock out David Price??? ... Didn't Sam Peter take out huge Julius Long in the 1st round???

Size has to be combined with speed, agility, and great athletic attributes to be effective in the Heavyweight Division.

[Kalan]

According to you Lewis was " in his prime " at 38, yet Schmelling was " ageing " at 31 .... He managed to waste the undersized Schmeling ..... In both of their fights Louis outweighed Schmelling by 6 lbs, and JL was 1" taller, with both having 76" reaches .....In Joe's first 2 years he didn't let a plum like Bonecrusher Smith make him look like a clueless idiot by spoiling the way Tyson did ...... Never mind 14 lbs, some of the guys Louis found a way to batter into submission in his first 2 years had a bigger weight advantages than Smith had over Tyson, and they were as equally skilled

Schmeling was aged in ring wars.... He'd been beaten a lot and knocked out 4 times already....

I was refering to Max Baer wasting Schmeling.... You have to learn how to read....

Bonecrusher Smith was a decent Heavyweight... He knocked out 3 Heavyweight Champions: Tim Witherspoon..... MIke Weaver..... and Frank Bruno.... He was a huge, fairly skilled, and very tough man -- and also a devastating puncher.... He tried to frustrate Tyson and line him up for one big shot.... It was a HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP UNIFICATION FIGHT so it was a big deal.... Mike boxed fairly skillfully.... He won a lopsided decision over his massive and powerful opponent making big bucks -- and that's something clueless idiots like you can't do....

The big guys Louis fought were nowhere close to the punching power, skill, athletic, or toughness levelsof Smith or Bruno.... Ruddock wasn't that hard to tag---but he had a great chin and a savage punch.... He beat Heavyweight Champions: Michael Dokes, Greg Page, and BoneCrusher Smith.... He could bring the heat.