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scallum wrote:

Brut wrote:

scallum wrote:No way José. Resume doesn't stack up compared to other best of the best. Plus making Canelo come down 2 pound was a real turn off.

But clearly avoids the fact that he was 164lbs on fight night

Have you actually seen fighters cut weight before? Sumtimes 1 extra pound is brutal, trust me I have seen guys almost dying trying to cut 1 extra pound

mexicooo wrote:firstly its death defying....secondly mayorga was a 4/1 underdog and that was bcos de la hoya had a layoff.....he presented no risk as he was shot at this point.....and NO ONE said otherwise. Margarito fought a shane on PED's, and if Floyd fought the same shane, round 2 would have been round 1, and that's where it would stop....Floyd was smart, started that usana,vada, etc testing, and made a huge point of it for that fight....he wasn't stupid, he knew what shane was doing that night against tono

Freedom2013 wrote:Floyd isn't enough of a ring warrior to be TBE. He cherry-picks instead of going for greater challenges.

Sam Langford who started at lightweight was shorter and has a shorter reach than Floyd, yet he fought everybody, including heavyweights. Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb were fearless warriors who fought anybody, including bigger opponents. Roberto Duran went up to middleweight and defeated Iran Barkley without demanding a catch weight.

Floyd had Saul Alvarez drain down to 152 instead of fighting him at 154. Perhaps the weight didn't make a difference, but the catch weight showed Floyd lacks the courage of those great boxers. And the glove demand with Maidana further illustrates my point - if he really were the best ever, he wouldn't have needed to do that.

columbo wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Floyd isn't enough of a ring warrior to be TBE. He cherry-picks instead of going for greater challenges.

Sam Langford who started at lightweight was shorter and has a shorter reach than Floyd, yet he fought everybody, including heavyweights. Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb were fearless warriors who fought anybody, including bigger opponents. Roberto Duran went up to middleweight and defeated Iran Barkley without demanding a catch weight.

Floyd had Saul Alvarez drain down to 152 instead of fighting him at 154. Perhaps the weight didn't make a difference, but the catch weight showed Floyd lacks the courage of those great boxers. And the glove demand with Maidana further illustrates my point - if he really were the best ever, he wouldn't have needed to do that.

Ah so basically you created this thread to poo on Floyd again. Fair enough.

zero wrote:I find it staggering 6 people voted yes.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

columbo wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Floyd isn't enough of a ring warrior to be TBE. He cherry-picks instead of going for greater challenges.

Sam Langford who started at lightweight was shorter and has a shorter reach than Floyd, yet he fought everybody, including heavyweights. Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb were fearless warriors who fought anybody, including bigger opponents. Roberto Duran went up to middleweight and defeated Iran Barkley without demanding a catch weight.

Floyd had Saul Alvarez drain down to 152 instead of fighting him at 154. Perhaps the weight didn't make a difference, but the catch weight showed Floyd lacks the courage of those great boxers. And the glove demand with Maidana further illustrates my point - if he really were the best ever, he wouldn't have needed to do that.

Ah so basically you created this thread to poo on Floyd again. Fair enough.

You expected something else?

VG_Addict wrote:If Floyd beats Lara (assuming he beats Canelo), the winner of Thurman-Porter, and Khan, where would you rank him all time?

Where would you rank him in terms of skills? He has a great jab (when he uses it), he has a high ring IQ, excellent defense, can adapt, and great timing.

mexicooo wrote:Oh you must be one of those 'fight fans'....I thought it was common knowledge that shane had been caught previously 'using' for 'however long'....it would certainly explain why he could throw 1000+ ''hard'' punches (and look like he could have thrown more) ''that'' night...but only manage to throw 15 or 16 against Floyd before gassing, and a similar feat in EVERY fight since then (mora, canelo, Mundine, etc).......sometimes you don't need 'proof'...just common sense

stevedoc wrote:

VG_Addict wrote:If Floyd beats Lara (assuming he beats Canelo), the winner of Thurman-Porter, and Khan, where would you rank him all time?

Where would you rank him in terms of skills? He has a great jab (when he uses it), he has a high ring IQ, excellent defense, can adapt, and great timing.

winning those fights would mean nothing at all to floyd's standing , floyd would be a massive favourite over all of them .
skill wise floyd is up there with any fighter i have seen with maybe only roy jones and ray leonard ahead of him , i think floyd is a better p4p boxer than Ali but i'm not a massive Ali fan myself

mexicooo wrote:Lol come on now, speculation?....so you must hate lb for lb rankings too then?....so you couldn't possible speculate as to whether mike Tyson would beat audley Harrison per se, because theres no factual evidence......personally I hate clowns like you that pretty much defy the point of a boxing forum....after all isn't all just speculation?

rjj less complete than Floyd or bhop.....please kill yourself or follow football. Rjj went 40 something n o ( I don't count the dq)....he went from middleweight to heavyweight.....beat a prime toney and a good as he ever was Hopkins. He barely dropped a round. He was quicker than Floyd carried more power, had a better brain, was more athletic, etc. The reason why he is not on top is because he got old....and a style based on athletiscm means its all over...he fought past the time he was great. Now say Floyd does that....even if he continues to cherry pick and pick the gloves, ringcard girls, and the make of the bottles of water between rounds....he will eventually lose. The reason he hasn't so far is bcos he has controlled, manipulated, and hyped every fight hes been in. For you to completely dismiss rjj against Floyd means u are a very arrogant misinformed individual....sorta like a naploniac version of forrest gump aka George w bush :)

fanman wrote:well hes one of the best ever. but can you imagine ali avoiding his biggest rival in the sport? no, george foreman is on steroids i wont fight him ?

warriorpoet wrote:He's one of the best businessman of all time.He's an excellent fighter but his level of competition is not great,he does cherry pick his opponents.The best ones ever took on all comers!

mexicooo wrote:inexperienced Hopkins? man was sitting on 20 something fights.....and was about 28 years old (physical peak d!ckhead)....poor toney only had 4 weeks?....isn't that what a regular training camp was, expecially at that time!...duran prepared for leonard 1 on 4 weeks!

now to the list of extensive Floyd opponents you mentioned; im going to go through this slowly floymo :)

DLH - split decision and was old n past it (need proof, flash forward less than a year, and he gets destroyed and stopped by an ex featherweight)

Mosley - well the 23 year old super strong super quick undefeated shane mosley, I cant quite find a flaw with.....oh hold up Floyd beat the 40 year old washed up non juicing one....say no more

corrales you say..this is why you shouldn't boxrec lol....chico was serving assault and battery charges, and had 2 or so weeks to prepare, his training camp was also cut short. Add into the fact that he struggled to make the weight, and fought poorly, and you get the picture. And honestly diego is my favourite fighter of all time, I really loved him....but don't insult anyones intelligence ...he was a world class fighter nothing more.....theres a hundreds of fighters that would have beaten him...literally

gatti...lots of respect for, but comeon now he was never a great fighter....and how much wear and tear did he have

canelo - he fought him at a catchweight....same way I would whoop on david haye (im 150lbs), if he came down to 147 :) )

hernadez - decent world champ nothing more

Hatton - a ticket seller, and on the elite world scene, a super easy payday for anyone ( see pacquiao fighting the 'undefeated at 140' hatton, in pac's first fight at 140

Hope you got that...keep going though 'brut', in 5 or maybe 10 years, with hardwork (and dedication)....I know you love that phrase.....you may post a comment I, and many other true knowledgable fans will go 'not bad' too :)

mexicooo wrote: DLH - split decision and was old n past it (need proof, flash forward less than a year, and he gets destroyed and stopped by an ex featherweight)

Bobbyptsd wrote:How about you both shut the fvck up? Is that a good enough compromise to end the bad puns and angry: "I win the internet because..." posts?

fanman wrote:to reply to brut, im not saying floyd avoided pac per say, but he didnt make it happen, which is even now the most interesting and legacy boosting fight. whereas leonard fought hearns, duran, hagler, etc. so to claim to be tbe you have to take the biggest scalps!