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jujigatame wrote:Being the "fastest moving American cruiserweight prospect" is damning with faint praise, and I'm not even 100% convinced that it's true. I'd point out:

1) Stivens Bujaj fought multiple Galen Brown-level opponents in his first 12 fights, and in his 13th fight he fought undefeated (10-0) Junior Wright who was coming off a KO of Galen Brown himself.

2) Alex Guerrero beat Galen Brown in his 11th pro fight, and KO'd another semi-decent journeyman (Harvey Jolly) two fights before that.

So I don't really see that Shimmell has been moved particularly faster than those guys. Also neither of those guys fought anyone as bad as Jon Corn after their first handful of fights.

Alex has been a pro for 60 months while Stivens has been a pro for 47 months. At the end of June, Jordan will have been a pro for 24 months. Clearly Jordan has climbed the ranks quicker.

Lennox wrote:Too often I see fighters go 15, 16, 17 18 and 0 and they have not met anyone in the top 100 and yet they are talking like they are top 20...You (Dennis) six months ago said he was top 4 in the USA. Just want to see him fight someone in the 100. So often their first fighter in the top 100 is a number 15 chap and they get beat. Jordan will learn more from rated (better fighters), equally it is more expensive but; Harvey Jolley should be cheap, crap record but he is a lot better than Jordans opps so far. Joel Godfrey, Marcos Oliviera wont cost the world.

Well said

Dennis wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Being the "fastest moving American cruiserweight prospect" is damning with faint praise, and I'm not even 100% convinced that it's true. I'd point out:

1) Stivens Bujaj fought multiple Galen Brown-level opponents in his first 12 fights, and in his 13th fight he fought undefeated (10-0) Junior Wright who was coming off a KO of Galen Brown himself.

2) Alex Guerrero beat Galen Brown in his 11th pro fight, and KO'd another semi-decent journeyman (Harvey Jolly) two fights before that.

So I don't really see that Shimmell has been moved particularly faster than those guys. Also neither of those guys fought anyone as bad as Jon Corn after their first handful of fights.

Alex has been a pro for 60 months while Stivens has been a pro for 47 months. At the end of June, Jordan will have been a pro for 24 months. Clearly Jordan has climbed the ranks quicker.

"Climbed the ranks" or walked over a bunch of handpicked opponents? How many fights has Jordan had where your team has covered the entire cost of the bout on another promoter's card? Nobody is saying your kid hasn't been busy, and you should get credit for that, but to describe any of his opponents as even "mildly dangerous" to him is a gross overstatement.

Jordan is currently ranked 84 in the independent world boxing rankings, he has 13 USA cruiserweights above him and there are 18 in the top 100. Isai Thomas is back in since the last one published.

Boxrec have him number 25 LOL! With only Roy Jones Junior the better American. Please don't tell me Boxrec ratings are better!

jujigatame wrote:Being the "fastest moving American cruiserweight prospect" is damning with faint praise, and I'm not even 100% convinced that it's true. I'd point out:

1) Stivens Bujaj fought multiple Galen Brown-level opponents in his first 12 fights, and in his 13th fight he fought undefeated (10-0) Junior Wright who was coming off a KO of Galen Brown himself.

2) Alex Guerrero beat Galen Brown in his 11th pro fight, and KO'd another semi-decent journeyman (Harvey Jolly) two fights before that.

So I don't really see that Shimmell has been moved particularly faster than those guys. Also neither of those guys fought anyone as bad as Jon Corn after their first handful of fights.

Guerrero was a pro for 3 years and 4 years before he beat Jolly and Brown respectively, while Shimmell beat Brown after under a year and a half as a pro. Bujaj was a pro for 4 years before he faced Wright, and in his first two pro years his best opponents were Josh Harris and Livin Castillo. So some of the Guerrero and Bujaj fights you mention occurred after they had been pros for 2 years longer than Shimmell has.

I don't see why you focus on fights rather than time as a pro, because focusing just on fights punishes guys who stay busy. Going by your logic, you should rank Jordan more favorably if instead of staying busy he had sat around and fit comparable level of opposition into just 6-7 fights over the same time.

Josh Harris is a decent fighter he spent over two years in the top 100 and so is Livin Castillo 11 losses but 7 of them to top 50 opponents, they are in a different league to what Jordan has faced. Galen Brown is his best.

crusader wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Being the "fastest moving American cruiserweight prospect" is damning with faint praise, and I'm not even 100% convinced that it's true. I'd point out:

1) Stivens Bujaj fought multiple Galen Brown-level opponents in his first 12 fights, and in his 13th fight he fought undefeated (10-0) Junior Wright who was coming off a KO of Galen Brown himself.

2) Alex Guerrero beat Galen Brown in his 11th pro fight, and KO'd another semi-decent journeyman (Harvey Jolly) two fights before that.

So I don't really see that Shimmell has been moved particularly faster than those guys. Also neither of those guys fought anyone as bad as Jon Corn after their first handful of fights.

Guerrero was a pro for 3 years and 4 years before he beat Jolly and Brown respectively, while Shimmell beat Brown after under a year and a half as a pro. Bujaj was a pro for 4 years before he faced Wright, and in his first two pro years his best opponents were Josh Harris and Livin Castillo. So some of the Guerrero and Bujaj fights you mention occurred after they had been pros for 2 years longer than Shimmell has.

I don't see why you focus on fights rather than time as a pro, because focusing just on fights punishes guys who stay busy. Going by your logic, you should rank Jordan more favorably if instead of staying busy he had sat around and fit comparable level of opposition into just 6-7 fights over the same time.

I don't mean to punish a guy for staying busy, but at the same time I'm not gonna give him extra credit for saying busy against bums.

Lennox wrote:Jordan is currently ranked 84 in the independent world boxing rankings, he has 13 USA cruiserweights above him and there are 18 in the top 100. Isai Thomas is back in since the last one published.

Boxrec have him number 25 LOL! With only Roy Jones Junior the better American. Please don't tell me Boxrec ratings are better!

Actually you have Jordan #83 in your IWBR. Soon enough Jordan will be much higher in both rankings.

He is 84 today though as Isai Thomas has gone past him.

So, is Sam Hill next?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

I fought Jordan in top shape 100% hands down he was better then me IMO he beats Alex pretty easy one sided fight junior would be a tougher fight but Jordan would win also again this is just my thoughts from being in the ring with the 3 out of the 3 fighters junior hits the hardest but also gets hit pretty easy Jordan is really hard to catch with clean punches

Galen you should be the best judge of Jordan's ability v others. We are not really questioning his ability though, more a case of trying to learn more in the next five or six fights.

Knocking people over is great for building up confidence but against top 200/300 types it can work against you when you hit a number 66 ranked fighter flush and he does not go over, so in that respect Jordan needs a tough ten rounder that tests him more, but still wins.

Lennox wrote:Galen you should be the best judge of Jordan's ability v others. We are not really questioning his ability though, more a case of trying to learn more in the next five or six fights.

Knocking people over is great for building up confidence but against top 200/300 types it can work against you when you hit a number 66 ranked fighter flush and he does not go over, so in that respect Jordan needs a tough ten rounder that tests him more, but still wins. I

agree with you for sure

Regardless, I'm glad that Shimmell is the new "boxrec forum fighter" now that we're basically done dissecting the careers of Chauncey Welliver and Rob Calloway!

Jordan is a good boxer and can go the distance if he doesn't knock out his opponent.

Two of the cruiserweights who have been mentioned are both boxing tomorrow night but not against each other. Durodola is fighting a journeyman for the WBC Continental Americas title and Al Sands is fighting a guy he previously beat for the MN title. On the Durodola undercard Galen Brown is fighting. Brown would be a better opponent for either guy.

I think Sands vs. Brown makes too much sense to happen. They'd probably rather fly someone in from West Virginia (again) that Sands can KO.

Durodola vs Brown would make sense too.

I told them I would fight duradola they didn't want to make it happen we have sparred a few times he is big and strong chin is very suspect for sure in the future I am sure it will happen but have to get through my fight Friday first can't find anything on the guy I am fighting not even a picture but were gonna get it on for sure I am in good shape and it's only 4 rounds so I have to get busy fast no time to feel him out lol

GalenBadBoyBrown wrote:I told them I would fight duradola they didn't want to make it happen we have sparred a few times he is big and strong chin is very suspect for sure in the future I am sure it will happen but have to get through my fight Friday first can't find anything on the guy I am fighting not even a picture but were gonna get it on for sure I am in good shape and it's only 4 rounds so I have to get busy fast no time to feel him out lol

I saw him fight in New Buffalo, MI last year. He won the fight but I wasn't impressed. The photo is Danny Kelly on the left and Rayshawn Myers on the right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=485Xa3kclmg
Rayshawn Myers on left, Andres Taylor on the right.
Myers on the right.

Thanks

Lennox wrote:Jordan is currently ranked 84 in the independent world boxing rankings, he has 13 USA cruiserweights above him and there are 18 in the top 100. Isai Thomas is back in since the last one published.

Boxrec have him number 25 LOL! With only Roy Jones Junior the better American. Please don't tell me Boxrec ratings are better!

Tell me how your rankings make more sense. You have Al Sands ranked 71 with a peak of 57. He lost by TKO to an 0-1 guy. You have Stivens Bujaj at 64 while Junior Wright is 100. They had a draw in Bujaj's hometown in the last bout for each guy. Shouldn't they be ranked at the same level. Venroy July at 75 when he lost to Elvin Sanchez by TKO last year.

Dennis -
Al Sands has just beaten a few better fighters than Jordan (in the 125-160) range 2 of them. His loss was a long time ago (more than 12 months) so no longer applies. Jordans best was Galen Brown #185. (no other fighter in the 200)

Stivens Bujaj, has beaten a #103 and a #106 fighter and a #120 fighter (INCLUDING #120 ELVIN SANCHEZ)

Junior Wright drew with Bujaj but has only really beaten Galen Brown. The result was a draw v Bujaj not a win so did not carry as many points but he did get credited for it.

Venroy July, beat Joel Godfrey who then beat the #36 ranked Marcos Oliviera. His Loss to Sanchez was outside of a year, but it was factored in Elvin Sanchez points until he got beat by Bujaj.

Hope that explains.

I think Polley, Greer, Reed and McCreary are better than his opponents. Plus Sands has lost and Jordan has not. In regard to Elvin Sanchez, he would not fight Jordan. We tried.

Dennis wrote:I think Polley, Greer, Reed and McCreary are better than his opponents. Plus Sands has lost and Jordan has not. In regard to Elvin Sanchez, he would not fight Jordan. We tried.

Dennis if you think Jordan's opponents are better than Al Sands then your not wired up right. Just look at Al Sands record, he has done what most on this thread are saying Jordan needs to do, he has stepped it up, look at the sort of fighters Bobby Thomas has beaten, Sands beat him. Henry Naamau also has fought a lot of fighters around the top 100, he has been as high as 82. You are getting yourself confused about a zero on his record, it does not matter so much early. You know Jordan's potential, but he has not fought anyone yet better than Galen Brown.