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493dart wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:

493dart wrote:The ref will allow Clinchko to do whatever....K2 will pay him off handsomely .

Reported.

This is a very serious accusation. You can't say a ref is paid off. Boxers have been suspended for making such allegations.

maybe ill be suspended then ! CALL THE WBC !

i accuse you of .... not wiping your ass this morning. Reported ??

and accuse you of betting 20 quid on Nipples arreola last month ... reported ?

He should be reported just for being a Wlad fan.

I think it is becoming stylish to be a clinchko fan.Several other sites talk like he is better than Ali.

tiny_acres wrote:I think it is becoming stylish to be a clinchko fan.Several other sites talk like he is better than Ali.

Do you think you can find more examples of people suggesting that Wlad is arguably the greatest HW ever, or cases in which people are generally unreceptive of him?

gilgamesh wrote:

chucktaylor wrote:It's good to see Wlad is taking on his top contender- he will prove that he's still the top dog.
This will probably be another snoozefest, but at least Pulev belongs in the ring with Wlad. I just hope it's better than the Povetkin fight.

I think we'd all agree with that.

Unfortunately it will be exactly like the Povetkin fight. As long as the opponent is a live challenge, wlad will spoil... it's what he does.

But for me, it's a good match up.

I'd like to see Wlad retire after the win however (I'm assuming wlad wins this). In Haye, Povetkin & Pulev, He will have faced and beaten the best 3 fighters around in recent years. He can be happy with that and walk away.

I'd be curious if Fury's size or Wilders power could have worried him. But aside from those 2 assets, neither man is in Wlads league and I wont lose any sleep if i never see them fight him

davie wrote:I'd like to see Wlad retire after the win however (I'm assuming wlad wins this). In Haye, Povetkin & Pulev, He will have faced and beaten the best 3 fighters around in recent years. He can be happy with that and walk away.

I think Wlad will carry on for another year or two at least. I'm sure he'd like to add the WBC belt to his collection before retiring.

SteveO wrote:

davie wrote:I'd like to see Wlad retire after the win however (I'm assuming wlad wins this). In Haye, Povetkin & Pulev, He will have faced and beaten the best 3 fighters around in recent years. He can be happy with that and walk away.

I think Wlad will carry on for another year or two at least. I'm sure he'd like to add the WBC belt to his collection before retiring.

Of course it's just talk, but after Leapai he stated he wanted another ten years.

punchoutsb wrote:

SteveO wrote:

davie wrote:I'd like to see Wlad retire after the win however (I'm assuming wlad wins this). In Haye, Povetkin & Pulev, He will have faced and beaten the best 3 fighters around in recent years. He can be happy with that and walk away.

I think Wlad will carry on for another year or two at least. I'm sure he'd like to add the WBC belt to his collection before retiring.

Of course it's just talk, but after Leapai he stated he wanted another ten years.

Like every great fighter he will age.Unless he has some magic youth portion Wlad will be retired in about
3 more years.

tiny_acres wrote:
Like every great fighter he will age.Unless he has some magic youth portion Wlad will be retired in about
3 more years.

Of course he will age...but it's not like he's had many ring wars. He's slowed a tad, but nothing recently to show he's got less than five years left in my opinion.

punchoutsb wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
Like every great fighter he will age.Unless he has some magic youth portion Wlad will be retired in about
3 more years.

Of course he will age...but it's not like he's had many ring wars. He's slowed a tad, but nothing recently to show he's got less than five years left in my opinion.

38 is 38.He is going to lose his reflexes,his speed will be effected.And we already have seen what happens to his chin
when hit hard.Age is Wlad's toughest opponent and he isn't get paid to fight age.

If Wlad beats Pulev, Fury, Jennings, and the winner of Wilder-Stiverne, will he be a top 5 ATG at HW?

VG_Addict wrote:If Wlad beats Pulev, Fury, Jennings, and the winner of Wilder-Stiverne, will he be a top 5 ATG at HW?

No. And even still, those wins will be discredited by Wlads detractors. All those contenders will suddenly become bums after Wlad beat them. Wlad and Floyd in the same boat there.

punchoutsb wrote:

VG_Addict wrote:If Wlad beats Pulev, Fury, Jennings, and the winner of Wilder-Stiverne, will he be a top 5 ATG at HW?

No. And even still, those wins will be discredited by Wlads detractors. All those contenders will suddenly become bums after Wlad beat them. Wlad and Floyd in the same boat there.

And yes I agree that Wlad and Floyd are both in the same boat.Both fighters no matter who they beat
are discredited.It is not their fault that they are that good that they make others look pathetic.
They are in a no win situation.It will be future generations that look back and admire their greatness.
Both of their stock will be so much higher years past retirement.

tiny_acres wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

VG_Addict wrote:If Wlad beats Pulev, Fury, Jennings, and the winner of Wilder-Stiverne, will he be a top 5 ATG at HW?

No. And even still, those wins will be discredited by Wlads detractors. All those contenders will suddenly become bums after Wlad beat them. Wlad and Floyd in the same boat there.

And yes I agree that Wlad and Floyd are both in the same boat.Both fighters no matter who they beat
are discredited.It is not their fault that they are that good that they make others look pathetic.
They are in a no win situation.It will be future generations that look back and admire their greatness.
Both of their stock will be so much higher years past retirement.

I agree with you about Floyd. People accuse him of cherry-picking, when almost all of his opponents have been champions or contenders. It's not his fault they just weren't on his level.

He made Marquez, Canelo, G. Hernandez, Corrales, and Guerrero look like bums.

wlad vs wach.....oh wach is a bum
wlad vs pianeta....oh hes a bum too

pianeta vs wach....oh good fight, good match up.

When it's not 'so and so a bum' it's 'oh they didn't even try'. Then it's 'that was the most boring fight I've ever seen' (I even saw this after the quick blowout of Mormeck) and various 'clinchko' comments.

He's dominated the division for years, is very disciplined, avoids no one, hardly loses rounds to his top challengers and knocks out most of his opponents, but virtually every time he wins a large proportion of responses about him, his performance, the opponent, and the outcome are negative. Not to say he doesn't have a lot of fan boys, but they're more than balanced by his critics, many who will rate other fighters more positively for doing far less.

crusader wrote:When it's not 'so and so a bum' it's 'oh they didn't even try'. Then it's 'that was the most boring fight I've ever seen' (I even saw this after the quick blowout of Mormeck) and various 'clinchko' comments.

He's dominated the division for years, is very disciplined, avoids no one, hardly loses rounds to his top challengers and knocks out most of his opponents, but virtually every time he wins a large proportion of responses about him, his performance, the opponent, and the outcome are negative. Not to say he doesn't have a lot of fan boys, but they're more than balanced by his critics, many who will rate other fighters more positively for doing far less.

i just cant wait to see what people say after he feasts on fury, jennings/wilder/stiverne

people were saying he was avoiding pulev, but now fight is on, its like "who is pulev" no one heard of him etc.

cold187 wrote:

crusader wrote:When it's not 'so and so a bum' it's 'oh they didn't even try'. Then it's 'that was the most boring fight I've ever seen' (I even saw this after the quick blowout of Mormeck) and various 'clinchko' comments.

He's dominated the division for years, is very disciplined, avoids no one, hardly loses rounds to his top challengers and knocks out most of his opponents, but virtually every time he wins a large proportion of responses about him, his performance, the opponent, and the outcome are negative. Not to say he doesn't have a lot of fan boys, but they're more than balanced by his critics, many who will rate other fighters more positively for doing far less.

i just cant wait to see what people say after he feasts on fury, jennings/wilder/stiverne

people were saying he was avoiding pulev, but now fight is on, its like "who is pulev" no one heard of him etc.

I used to post on a different boxing site (that is completely garbage now) during Lennox Lewis' reign. They did the exact same thing to him, and now everyone realizes just how good he was. The exact same posters that lambasted him are now on that legendary bandwagon. Wlad will be no different.

What will the division be like when Wlad retires?

Does Pulev have a chance of winning?

I think this fight will be more competitive than any Klitschko fight in years.

The only way Pulev will have a chance to win ( or any challenger for that matter ), is if he lands a few shots early in the fight to give Wlad a little scare. Then once Wlad starts to hug and hold, the fight referee will have to have the balls to warn him not to do so, then take points away if he still decides to hug and hold more. Then, ultimately DQ him for keeping it up.

I truly believe that if Wlad is not allowed to hug and hold his opponent, the % factor goes way up that he will eventually get knocked out.