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KBB wrote:

crusader wrote:1. The cards for Shumenov-Hopkins were too close and the 114-113 card for Shumenov was laughable; in my opinion Shumenov won 3 rounds at best.
2. Giving Hopkins 7 of 12 rounds is compatible with thinking he clearly won the Pascal rematch.
3. I thought the draw in Hopkins-Pascal I was fair, so by all means 'get into' that bout.
4. Hopkins got outlanded significantly by Calzaghe and for the large majority of the bout he went into a shell and was spoiling. Two judges rightfully had Calzaghe winning and the card for Hopkins was very generous to him. People talk of Hopkins' 'effective aggression' but apart from the knockdown and a moment near the end of the 6th Hopkins seemed far more bothered by Joe's aggression than Joe did by his, hence the incessant holding, flopping to the canvas, and all that.
5. I thought the judges were generous to Hopkins against Murat, with the two 11-1 cards being too wide. Murat won at least 3 and up to 4 rounds in my view.

I don't know if the officials will be fair or not, but isn't there usually an effort to avoid having all of them from one boxer's country? Do certain sanctioning bodies put more emphasis on that than others?

I highly disagree with your rant in #4 but I agree with all the rest. Any person who thought that Shumenov vs Hopkins was anywhere near close is not a real fan of the sport of boxing.

ikorolev wrote:Again, you are not reading others' arguments. What crusader was saying that Bernard's win was actually much wider than judges scored.

pound per pound wrote:Hopkins is a known dirty fighter, and one who has faked injures. If he's taking a beating its well within his nature to foul, or find a way out.

I do not expect the referee to be fair if Hopkins cheats a bit. At least not right away. First Hopkins is rather sneaky on his fouls. His famous kidney shots to the other side of where the ref is standing are well documentary. Secondly no one wants to see a DQ in a highly anticipated match.

I think Kovalev is going to break Hopkins down, and take him out. Those who think Hopkins “ will take him to school “ are underestimating Kovelev’s smarts and technical skills . 8. In truth Kovalev has caught up to and timed much faster fighters.

Kovalev via TKO inside of 9 rounds. It could be a Rocky Marciano vs. Joe Louis type of ending if Hopkins goes out on his shield. The more likely outcome is Hopkins gets hurt, floored, and then either fouls out or make up an excuse as his corner saves him.

p4p

ikorolev wrote:What will you say when Hopkins retires in his corner ?

Or when he repeatedly and deliberately does head buts, low blows and stuff like that trying to "disarm" Kovalev ?

diddy wrote:Bernard is an alien but also well versed in the art of PED usage. Then again 90% of the sport is equally as well versed and most fold before age 40 let alone 50. What sets Hopkins apart from is his boxing mind. He is a genius in the ring. As well as his clean living habits. Nothing goes in that body that isn't pure in terms of food and liquids (besides HGH and a few select testosterones of course).

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Referee:

David Fields

Judges:

Lawrence Layton
Carlos Ortiz
Clark Sammartino

All of them are Americans, no Russian officials. The fight is near Hopkins home city.

Freedom, please tell me when the judges gave Hopkins rounds unfairly? It's scary to think you are a regular person somewhere in the world with this level of obvious bias.

In fact, let me make you look stupid with the evidence ...

One judge scored Hopkins/Shumenov a draw. Hopkins needed a KD to win on that one card. The other two judges only gave Hopkins 8 rounds.

I believe the majority of people thought Hopkins CLEARLY beat Pascal in the 2nd fight. However, Hopkins only won 7 rounds on two scorecards. I don't even want to get into the first fight.

If you really want to nitpick, the Hopkins/Calzaghe fight could have been scored much closer, but the judges in AMERICA favored Calzaghe's activity.

I've gone back to 2008. WHERE IS THE PRECEDENCE FOR HOPKINS GETTING BIASED OFFICIATING AND JUDGING?

You are a very very sad racist man.

KBB wrote:

diddy wrote:Bernard is an alien but also well versed in the art of PED usage. Then again 90% of the sport is equally as well versed and most fold before age 40 let alone 50. What sets Hopkins apart from is his boxing mind. He is a genius in the ring. As well as his clean living habits. Nothing goes in that body that isn't pure in terms of food and liquids (besides HGH and a few select testosterones of course).

Where's your proof??

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

licktheballs wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Thanks Freedom for reminding us that the European white man is most persecuted human on the planet.

Damn this filthy American society, always bending over backwards to help old black felons.

More racist trash from Tunney

You understood!!!

Some of the other guys on the forum didn't get it.

crusader wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... edia-picks

Hopkins is the favorite in this media poll. It's interesting that people so often say things like 'I've learned my lesson', 'never bet against him' or 'he'll defy odds yet again' when Hopkins has only won 9 of his last 15 fights; I think there is some selective memory occurring. Hopkins mentions that he sees Kovalev as a Pavlik clone, but I think there are many differences between them.

crusader wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... edia-picks

Hopkins is the favorite in this media poll. It's interesting that people so often say things like 'I've learned my lesson', 'never bet against him' or 'he'll defy odds yet again' when Hopkins has only won 9 of his last 15 fights; I think there is some selective memory occurring. Hopkins mentions that he sees Kovalev as a Pavlik clone, but I think there are many differences between them.

diddy wrote:Logic. Guys 25 yrs younger are cheating their asses off. You think a 50 yr old man isnt? He needs it alot more than the younger guys do. I dont see how he can even compete without HGH or testosterone. He's 50! If he's truly 100% clean its unreal. I think guys get in the ring with him and pretty much assume he's on something. And they're OK with it b/c they are too, and he's twice their age. Hopkins way too smart and too diligent with what/when stuff goes into his body to get caught by today's pathetic piss testing. Not even the guys who are idiots get caught by the piss tests, unless they're really irresponsible.

KBB wrote:

diddy wrote:Logic. Guys 25 yrs younger are cheating their asses off. You think a 50 yr old man isnt? He needs it alot more than the younger guys do. I dont see how he can even compete without HGH or testosterone. He's 50! If he's truly 100% clean its unreal. I think guys get in the ring with him and pretty much assume he's on something. And they're OK with it b/c they are too, and he's twice their age. Hopkins way too smart and too diligent with what/when stuff goes into his body to get caught by today's pathetic piss testing. Not even the guys who are idiots get caught by the piss tests, unless they're really irresponsible.

What fighters at 25 years younger that are cheating their asses off but not getting caught?? Please explain your so called "LOGIC".

I think that until they have some testing done on Hopkins and the results are conclusive then your logic is just your own suspicions. Testing methods are much more sophisticated than some simple "piss test".

If you have something other than your own conjecture that lines up with facts then present it, otherwise you may as well not even bother.

diddy wrote:Bernard is an alien but also well versed in the art of PED usage. Then again 90% of the sport is equally as well versed and most fold before age 40 let alone 50. What sets Hopkins apart from is his boxing mind. He is a genius in the ring. As well as his clean living habits. Nothing goes in that body that isn't pure in terms of food and liquids (besides HGH and a few select testosterones of course).

lefty wrote:

diddy wrote:Bernard is an alien but also well versed in the art of PED usage. Then again 90% of the sport is equally as well versed and most fold before age 40 let alone 50. What sets Hopkins apart from is his boxing mind. He is a genius in the ring. As well as his clean living habits. Nothing goes in that body that isn't pure in terms of food and liquids (besides HGH and a few select testosterones of course).

What makes you say that he's on PED's? Im not saying he isnt but are you basing that purely on the success he's had at the late age he's at?

crusader wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... edia-picks

Hopkins is the favorite in this media poll. It's interesting that people so often say things like 'I've learned my lesson', 'never bet against him' or 'he'll defy odds yet again' when Hopkins has only won 9 of his last 15 fights; I think there is some selective memory occurring. Hopkins mentions that he sees Kovalev as a Pavlik clone, but I think there are many differences between them.

diddy wrote:If you're too stupid to understand how easy it is pass today's standard piss testing you're too stupid to even debate this topic with.

You think its a coincidence guys like Berto and Peterson never failed 60 piss tests but both failed the only VADA blood test they ever took? Not a coincidence. At all. Nor is it a coincidence blood tests are basically never used. They're too expensive. And too effective.

KBB wrote:

diddy wrote:If you're too stupid to understand how easy it is pass today's standard piss testing you're too stupid to even debate this topic with.

You think its a coincidence guys like Berto and Peterson never failed 60 piss tests but both failed the only VADA blood test they ever took? Not a coincidence. At all. Nor is it a coincidence blood tests are basically never used. They're too expensive. And too effective.

You're the one who brought up the "piss test" in the first place, all I said was that there are much better and sophisticated methods to detect substances (banned, that is) to determine if one is using or not. In other words, piss tests are pretty much for the unsophisticated stuff like Marijuana, cocaine and other common substances.

We have designer drugs that are much harder to detect. The bottom line is that you are looking stupid for talking out of your ass with nothing factual to back up your claims.