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lefty wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:GGG takes down maidana inside 5 rounds

LOL couldnt have anything to do with the fact that Maidana is a welterweight and Golovkin is a middleweight.

You are arguing with somebody who regularly posts that Wilder is the best heavyweight in the world. You know this right?

clopixolacuphase wrote:

lefty wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:GGG takes down maidana inside 5 rounds

LOL couldnt have anything to do with the fact that Maidana is a welterweight and Golovkin is a middleweight.

You are arguing with somebody who regularly posts that Wilder is the best heavyweight in the world. You know this right?

I hadnt noticed haha.

Who's there for GGG to prove his greatness ?
Cotto is old & fighting out of his natural weight class; Canelo can be seen as a super welter.
Were GGG to destroy them, people would still not give him his dues.

Quillin, Korobov, Lara, maybe Kirkland, would be better scalps.
Chavez Jr, Froch too, but they will never fight him.
Ward would be a huge win.
Maybe in 8 months the money will be enough for the fight to be made.

ikorolev wrote:

NateJR wrote: That's all these GGG fans can base their claims on, their opinions. It's hard to take them that serious when GGG has done nothing as a pro up to this point to prove any of their claims to even been remotely accurate. I think GGG is a wonderful fighter to watch and shows to have the goods, but there's really no substance when it comes to calling him the best fighter in the world considering the weak opposition he's faced up to this point.

Both statements in bold are extremes. GGG may be the best fighter in the world, but he needs to beat Ward to prove that. Based on what he has already done and HOW he has done it, he is definitely in top 10 p4p. I would say that he is somewhere between 3rd and 7th positions.

Then there is no substance to the claim that GGG is the best fighter in the world based on his body of work. I agree GGG could very well be the best fighter in the world, nothing I've seen that has said other wise other than seeing him fight a legitimate opponent that has shown to be a world class fighter on a consistent basis. To me GGG hasn't been tested based on his opposition, the young man just simply has not earned his stripes to be claimed the best fighter in the world when he hasn't come close to fighting one of the best fighters in the world. I'd rank GGG somewhere around 6th - 10th on a P4P list.

sick of Floyd talking about being TBE but GGG still away to go before being P4P number 1, Beating EITHER COTTO,CANELO,then say CHAVES JR or WARD at Super Middle would help, I understand what he landed against GEALE is what mattered at the end of the day BUT HE MISSED WITH PLENTY MORE THEN HE LANDED WITCH IN MY BOOK COULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THE ELITE P4P FIGHTERS WHO WILL MAKE HIM MISS AND PAY.TIME WILL TELL.

ikorolev wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Breaking News ... Over 50% of people who visit Fightnews are idiots.

Or maybe you are ...

So are you going on record to say that GGG should be ranked above Floyd on a p4p list?

I'm sorry man, based on what they've actually done, GGG is not on the same planet as Floyd. I can't believe that some people are trying to make this comparison.

Then again, it's you who would try to defend someone who ranks GGG over Floyd. Knowing you, Kovalev is above Floyd too.

As always, I understand why some people don't like Floyd. But, the average boxing fan has gone way too far with their criticism ... typical of angry boys on the other side of the stupid spectrum from Floyd.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Breaking News ... Over 50% of people who visit Fightnews are idiots.

Or maybe you are ...

No, he isn't an idiot, just a racist!

Sorry buddy, ANY LOGICAL PERSON would not rank GGG higher than Floyd. Since that is an irrational conclusion, one must assume the people coming to such a conclusion must be the ones influenced by other factors, possibly race.

Only among the Boxrec geniuses can the people who are making a completely illogical ranking be called fair, while the people who are thinking logically are accused of some type of bias.

For me, Golovkin beating Cotto or Canelo wouldnt really improve his standing that much. Dont get me wrong, I know to a lot of people it would but I just think that Cotto would be too small and he's seen better days anyway and whilst Canelo is a big light middle I think he wouldnt be much of a challenge either. I still remember him getting badly buzzed early on in his career against Cotto's not so good brother. I think Gennady would take his head off. On top of that Golovkin would force both of them to box on the backfoot and that's neither of their's strengths.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Breaking News ... Over 50% of people who visit Fightnews are idiots.

Or maybe you are ...

So are you going on record to say that GGG should be ranked above Floyd on a p4p list?

It depends on what you are basing your p4p list on. If it is solely past achievements, then Floyd is many positions above. If it is who beats who now if they were the same weight, then GGG and possibly a few more fighters would be above Floyd. Both types of lists are very imperfect, so it is just a matter of opinion which is why calling a bunch of people idiots for disagreeing with you making you an idiot yourself.

ikorolev wrote:It depends on what you are basing your p4p list on. If it is solely past achievements, then Floyd is many positions above. If it is who beats who now if they were the same weight, then GGG and possibly a few more fighters would be above Floyd. Both types of lists are very imperfect, so it is just a matter of opinion which is why calling a bunch of people idiots for disagreeing with you making you an idiot yourself.

No, I'm calling them idiots for making an irrational/non-evidence based conclusion.

Based on accomplishments, there isn't even an argument. But you're also wrong using your other standard. Even if you are judging who would beat who regardless of weight, you STILL have to factor in opposition. Floyd would probably looked more impressive than GGG against Golovkin's level of opposition. Can we say with confidence that GGG will look as good as Floyd when he begins to fight p4p fighters ... NO!

So, regardless of how to try to look at it, anyone who follows boxing and ranks GGG p4p above Floyd as of November 2014 is an idiot. It's not a personal name calling issue here, just an assessment based on evidence, not because they disagree with me.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

ikorolev wrote:It depends on what you are basing your p4p list on. If it is solely past achievements, then Floyd is many positions above. If it is who beats who now if they were the same weight, then GGG and possibly a few more fighters would be above Floyd. Both types of lists are very imperfect, so it is just a matter of opinion which is why calling a bunch of people idiots for disagreeing with you making you an idiot yourself.

No, I'm calling them idiots for making an irrational/non-evidence based conclusion.

Based on accomplishments, there isn't even an argument. But you're also wrong using your other standard. Even if you are judging who would beat who regardless of weight, you STILL have to factor in opposition. Floyd would probably looked more impressive than GGG against Golovkin's level of opposition. Can we say with confidence that GGG will look as good as Floyd when he begins to fight p4p fighters ... NO!

So, regardless of how to try to look at it, anyone who follows boxing and ranks GGG p4p above Floyd as of November 2014 is an idiot. It's not a personal name calling issue here, just an assessment based on evidence, not because they disagree with me.

Floyd had Golovkin's level of opposition in 3 out of 4 his last fights. Canelo may be overrated, so he may be not far from that level of opposition. After GGG KO's Canelo, people will say that he was the same level as Geale or Rubio.

ikorolev wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

ikorolev wrote:It depends on what you are basing your p4p list on. If it is solely past achievements, then Floyd is many positions above. If it is who beats who now if they were the same weight, then GGG and possibly a few more fighters would be above Floyd. Both types of lists are very imperfect, so it is just a matter of opinion which is why calling a bunch of people idiots for disagreeing with you making you an idiot yourself.

No, I'm calling them idiots for making an irrational/non-evidence based conclusion.

Based on accomplishments, there isn't even an argument. But you're also wrong using your other standard. Even if you are judging who would beat who regardless of weight, you STILL have to factor in opposition. Floyd would probably looked more impressive than GGG against Golovkin's level of opposition. Can we say with confidence that GGG will look as good as Floyd when he begins to fight p4p fighters ... NO!

So, regardless of how to try to look at it, anyone who follows boxing and ranks GGG p4p above Floyd as of November 2014 is an idiot. It's not a personal name calling issue here, just an assessment based on evidence, not because they disagree with me.

Floyd had Golovkin's level of opposition in 3 out of 4 his last fights. Canelo may be overrated, so he may be not far from that level of opposition. After GGG KO's Canelo, people will say that he was the same level as Geale or Rubio.

You are clearly delusional. Canelo would beat Rubio and Geale, at least 8-4 each. Maidana is better than Geale and Rubio.

Just quit while you're behind bro.

lefty wrote:Some of the Golovkin fans seem to be coming to the conclusion that Golovkin is better based on the fact he knocks guys out in quick fashion. Just because you're beating a guy in that kind of fashion versus outboxing him on points doesnt automatically determine that the knockout artist is better...

Stop, you're using too much logic for the Simpletons on this forum, they already have Golovkin in the P4P list beating a bunch of nobodies. Tyson may as well have been in the P4P list back in his day when he had 25 KO and no losses to a bunch of nobodies.

Boxing Fans these days,,,,,,,,,,,,smh

What makes Maidana or Guerrero better than Geale ? They are limited head first brawlers.

ikorolev wrote:What makes Maidana or Guerrero better than Geale ? They are limited head first brawlers.

What makes Gennady belong on the list where Froch (who has fought better competition and beaten better too) doesn't belong??

You are too biased and you are consistently proving it with every post regarding Gennady.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:What makes Maidana or Guerrero better than Geale ? They are limited head first brawlers.

What makes Gennady belong on the list where Froch (who has fought better competition and beaten better too) doesn't belong??

You are too biased and you are consistently proving it with every post regarding Gennady.

Froch belongs to that list. However, beside Ward, he did lose to Kessler who is nothing special and to Dirrell, even though he was gifted a decision against him.

ikorolev wrote:Froch belongs to that list. However, beside Ward, he did lose to Kessler who is nothing special and to Dirrell, even though he was gifted a decision against him.

Kessler was quite special at the time his record was compatible with the likes of Golovkin's (not saying he was KOing everyone, but he was beating nearly everyone they put in front him) but what happened with Kess is that he stepped up and fought the best.

When Gennady's time comes to face the best then we'll see how well he fares, if he is still undefeated after the top guys then he will have rightfully earned his P4P status, but I, unlike you just doesn't feel that time is now.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Froch belongs to that list. However, beside Ward, he did lose to Kessler who is nothing special and to Dirrell, even though he was gifted a decision against him.

Kessler was quite special at the time his record was compatible with the likes of Golovkin's (not saying he was KOing everyone, but he was beating nearly everyone they put in front him) but what happened with Kess is that he stepped up and fought the best.

When Gennady's time comes to face the best then we'll see how well he fares, if he is still undefeated after the top guys then he will have rightfully earned his P4P status, but I, unlike you just doesn't feel that time is now.

So, being a level above anybody at his weight is not enough for him ? Why is it enough for Ward ? Why is Canelo on the list after Floyd disaster and controversial wins over Trout and Lara ?

ikorolev wrote:So, being a level above anybody at his weight is not enough for him ? Why is it enough for Ward ? Why is Canelo on the list after Floyd disaster and controversial wins over Trout and Lara ?

It should be obvious to you that he hasn't fought or beaten the best in his weight class yet, Ward has, so has Canelo (with the exception of the loss to Floyd). Has Gennady beaten a fighter on the level of Floyd? It doesn't really matter that the wins for Canelo were controversial because they went into the record books as such.

Many people believed that Manny beat Bradley in the first fight but it still counted against Pacquiao and took him down a notch or two on the P4P list, why should Gennady get boosted up it or even on it for not beating or facing his top competition, let alone not beating anyone at or near the P4P list??

At least Lara and Trout were two of the top dogs in the division, Gennady (not fault of his own) has yet to face the top dogs in his division.

Who are top middleweights who Golovkin didn't beat and who are better than fighters he demolished ? Do you by chance mean Peter The Pussy Quillin who looked bad in his last two fights and almost lost to Rosado ? Who else ? If it is still not obvious to you that Golovkin is a level above anybody at MW, then you are blind.

ikorolev wrote:Who are top middleweights who Golovkin didn't beat and who are better than fighters he demolished ? Do you by chance mean Peter The Pussy Quillin who looked bad in his last two fights and almost lost to Rosado ? Who else ? If it is still not obvious to you that Golovkin is a level above anybody at MW, then you are blind.

I never said that Golovkin isn't better than anybody at MW, yes, he is based on the guys he fought but we cannot honestly and unequivocally state without speculation that he deserves to be on the P4P when he still hasn't beaten anyone on that list nor the top guy in his class yet.

I think I'm being as fair as I can be about this, sure Gennady is great at what he does and sure none of the top guys seems to want to mix it up with him (for that is a credit to his bad-assedness<<<new word) but unfortunately he does have to beat down the crappy Quillin (who I think is overrated and a piece of crap) still this is a fact.

He still doesn't deserve a spot on the P4P list yet though. I know eventually as long as he keeps blasting them out of there that he will be deserving of all his accolades.

Chepppaaa wrote:hahahaha.....peops get so confused with records...

maidana had such good moments against chickenweather and ggg has twice as much power and punch variety than maidana. ggg would totaly wreck any human being under 72 kg

first middleweight division and maybe some 154 fights, than it is time to step up for super middleweight

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tiny_acres wrote:GGG does not have the resume to be #1 yet.There is just not the competition at 160
for him.He needs Froch and Ward.Maybe Canelo and Cotto to enter the discussion for #1.

The thread should have been closed after this post.

drunkenpiper36 wrote:
The thread should have been closed after this post.

...p4p threads never make much sense, as there are no agreed upon criteria, no prioritisation or quantification of these criteria...it's sort of like here is my girl friends list, lets see how it compares with yours ...

greg wrote:

drunkenpiper36 wrote:
The thread should have been closed after this post.

...p4p threads never make much sense, as there are no agreed upon criteria, no prioritisation or quantification of these criteria...it's sort of like here is my girl friends list, lets see how it compares with yours ...

Frankly I can't see an argument for GGG being ranked over Floyd yet. Mayweather's resume doesn't even rest on the shoulders of his fights with Maidana, and yet Maidana may well be better than anyone GGG has ever faced on a p4p basis. Couple that with the fact that Floyd has been beating rated men, title holders, and hall of famers for years, is 46-0 and a multiple division champion and its a no brainer.. Golovkin has a huge following right now. He's exciting to watch, appears often and has established a huge fan base nation wide and more specifically the west coast.. Casual boxing fans tend to rate fighters based on their liking for them and without looking at the whole picture...