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Fat Git wrote:

TheCobra wrote:You also have to think about the law and what they'd even get sentenced with if caught (for the original burglary). No doubt they'd get a slap on the wrists or at worse a few months inside, which is nothing to the scrotes that do this sort of thing.

Risk vs reward still says don't take on 2 guys when there's only one of you, unless you are a heavyweight with one punch KO power and can flatten people.

Does anyone remember a tough heavyweight from Bristol who was part of Sanigar's gym - Karl Andrews - and he was stabbed to death in a fight in Spain (his murderers are still at large) and Dean Francis was thinking aloud in an interview how someone so big and tough could lose his life in such a way but when there are weapons - it doesn't matter big or tough you are - there isn't much defence against a knife or a paving stove - even if they land against crossed arms - it is going to do a lot of damage.

The real villains in all this are GMP who have let a burgarly epidemic develop in Manchester, you call them out and there is that bored irritantance as they give you the number for crimestoppers - the scrotes (and there are hundreds) know this and know they can run free robbing houses. Some of the estates in that city are rife with these horrible pudenda and they think they are above the law, and they are at this moment in time. It is absolutely disgusting and it is the fault of the police. They are a disgrace when it comes to burgulary and every Mancunian knows it.

Get well soon Anthony. My condolences to his family.

forcefraser wrote:

Fat Git wrote:

TheCobra wrote:You also have to think about the law and what they'd even get sentenced with if caught (for the original burglary). No doubt they'd get a slap on the wrists or at worse a few months inside, which is nothing to the scrotes that do this sort of thing.

Risk vs reward still says don't take on 2 guys when there's only one of you, unless you are a heavyweight with one punch KO power and can flatten people.

Does anyone remember a tough heavyweight from Bristol who was part of Sanigar's gym - Karl Andrews - and he was stabbed to death in a fight in Spain (his murderers are still at large) and Dean Francis was thinking aloud in an interview how someone so big and tough could lose his life in such a way but when there are weapons - it doesn't matter big or tough you are - there isn't much defence against a knife or a paving stove - even if they land against crossed arms - it is going to do a lot of damage.

The real villains in all this are GMP who have let a burgarly epidemic develop in Manchester, you call them out and there is that bored irritantance as they give you the number for crimestoppers - the scrotes (and there are hundreds) know this and know they can run free robbing houses. Some of the estates in that city are rife with these horrible pudenda and they think they are above the law, and they are at this moment in time. It is absolutely disgusting and it is the fault of the police. They are a disgrace when it comes to burgulary and every Mancunian knows it.

Get well soon Anthony. My condolences to his family.

Thatcher's utopia for the North. A subservient wasteland.

I would`nt say it`s the fault of the police. I would say that the police could do far more to limit it, but they are not the cause of the problem.

The cause of the problem is a system that has continually marginalized large numbers of people for far too long. In doing so the moral fibre of many communities has fallen to bits. Children grow up never having seen their parents work for a living. A number of these parents do not instill proper values in their kids as they themselves have no idea what proper values are. Thus the spiral continues and you end up with an element of society that think it is fine to rob from other people who actually graft for a living.

That is not the fault of the police.

forcefraser wrote: That is not the fault of the police.

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we are now told that it was a burglary. What if the 'burglars' were leaving the scene having raped or killed the neighbour. 'Oh yes officer, I saw them, could gave stopped them but have a title fight coming up so didn't bother!'
Look up integrity in the dictionary whilst reflecting that had you seen Crolla being done you'd all have run away like pussies.

Fat Git wrote:

forcefraser wrote: That is not the fault of the police.

It is in Manchester.

You get burgled and you know it is going to be a waste of time phoning them, never mind having the hope of getting any of it back.

First time I phoned the police when my house got robbed, didn't even get out of their van and they said 'what do you want us to do about it'?

I should have called the effing milkman.

danconnollyeire wrote:

Fat Git wrote:

forcefraser wrote: That is not the fault of the police.

It is in Manchester.

You get burgled and you know it is going to be a waste of time phoning them, never mind having the hope of getting any of it back.

First time I phoned the police when my house got robbed, didn't even get out of their van and they said 'what do you want us to do about it'?

I should have called the effing milkman.

It's not just Manchester, it's UK wide. Doesn't rank highly on the police list of priorities (the money making/tax issues do). My house was burgled and they called off an investigation in LESS THAN AN HOUR due to lack of evidence. Like they'd even tried to gather evidence in an hour

chad wrote:

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we are now told that it was a burglary. What if the 'burglars' were leaving the scene having raped or killed the neighbour. 'Oh yes officer, I saw them, could gave stopped them but have a title fight coming up so didn't bother!'
Look up integrity in the dictionary whilst reflecting that had you seen Crolla being done you'd all have run away like pussies.

And what if these 'burglars' where carrying a knife or a gun and where not afraid to use them? I have a young family to look after and I'm the main bread winner. My family, my health and personal safety will always come first. I would not risk any of these by putting myself in a high risk situation to help a stranger. Is that selfish? Yeah possibly however if I'm badly hurt, or worse, who is going to look after my family, pay the mortage and put food on the table?

Sklar wrote:The police aren't perfect and should be held to account when they don't perform to standard BUT burglaries are usually conducted by addicts. So blame the addicts. Blame the people who sell to the addicts (many of whom are lionised locally and beyond), and blame the legislators who make a heavily cut bag of smack cost a tenner.

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:

chad wrote:

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we are now told that it was a burglary. What if the 'burglars' were leaving the scene having raped or killed the neighbour. 'Oh yes officer, I saw them, could gave stopped them but have a title fight coming up so didn't bother!'
Look up integrity in the dictionary whilst reflecting that had you seen Crolla being done you'd all have run away like pussies.

And what if these 'burglars' where carrying a knife or a gun and where not afraid to use them? I have a young family to look after and I'm the main bread winner. My family, my health and personal safety will always come first. I would not risk any of these by putting myself in a high risk situation to help a stranger. Is that selfish? Yeah possibly however if I'm badly hurt, or worse, who is going to look after my family, pay the mortage and put food on the table?

So your out with the missus and get jumped by a couple of nutjobs - first punch your out cold. Just as these guys are about to bend your other half over a supermarket trolley and 'take her for a ride' you come round and through bleary eyes spot me walking past with a risk matrix in hand that assesses my well being, my health, my personal safety. 'Have a nice day' I call..having determined that your family mean absolutely Jack xxxx to me..... Would that sit well with you?

Anthony Crolla should be applauded for his selfless willingness to try and do the right thing. There is no other way.

reggaereggae wrote:

Sklar wrote:The police aren't perfect and should be held to account when they don't perform to standard BUT burglaries are usually conducted by addicts. So blame the addicts. Blame the people who sell to the addicts (many of whom are lionised locally and beyond), and blame the legislators who make a heavily cut bag of smack cost a tenner.

I blame the strict drug laws and prohibition.

And respectfully, applauds aren't going to pay Anthony crollas rent. He may well still be suffering well after everyone's forgotten about his boxing career.

Burglars with a string of previous convictions are being spared jail, prompting calls for Ministers to toughen up on sentencing.

New figures show the average burglar now has 12 break-ins to their name, the highest number ever recorded.

More than 3,000 convicted last year had been found guilty at least 20 times before.

Despite this, half the burglars were given fines or community sentences rather than being sent to prison.

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:

And respectfully, applauds aren't going to pay Anthony crollas rent. He may well still be suffering well after everyone's forgotten about his boxing career.

Yes, but for any regrets, any thoughts that he wished he hadn't got involved will be tempered by knowing that he'll be able to look himself in the mirror. You can't buy self respect.

Horse wrote:

Burglars with a string of previous convictions are being spared jail, prompting calls for Ministers to toughen up on sentencing.

New figures show the average burglar now has 12 break-ins to their name, the highest number ever recorded.

More than 3,000 convicted last year had been found guilty at least 20 times before.

Despite this, half the burglars were given fines or community sentences rather than being sent to prison.

The government don't care. They allow these scumbags to get away with a slap on the wrist most of the time.

Even if the police catch the vermin who hurt Crolla they probably won't receive a great deal of punishment. Burglars are worthy of death. They deserve no mercy.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3MHUy6OpZ

stevieb_8006 wrote:

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:

And respectfully, applauds aren't going to pay Anthony crollas rent. He may well still be suffering well after everyone's forgotten about his boxing career.

Yes, but for any regrets, any thoughts that he wished he hadn't got involved will be tempered by knowing that he'll be able to look himself in the mirror. You can't buy self respect.

Very naive sentiment there mate. If you know much about the torment of recovering from a brain injury, well, he could very well suffer from MASSIVE anxiety and PTSD. Added to this the trauma of it being a violent assault, then self respect could well be the least of the poor kunts priorities.

Plus, it's extremely common for the persons confidence to be totally destroyed, in which case any self respect gained from his actions will be lost in self analytical torment. And that's before we get to the unsettling trauma of losing his career/passion (what's more having it snatched from him), the big payday that would've wiped out the mortgage gone, maybe not being able to be the parent/husband he once was....it just goes on and on...

Do you think he'll counter that with 'at least I had a go'

Obv. I pray he suffers none of that, some people just bounce back and that would be fantastic if he does.

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote: Don't try and over egg the pie to make your point mate.
Lets consider what we know not what may be before using words such as 'naive.
There are no reports that Anthony has a brain injury. Losing a leg and breaking a leg have completely different connotations and psychological outcomes as do fractured skulls and damaged brains.

Any difficulties and tales of regret about doing something can be tempered with the multitude of people who live their lives with psychological trauma for not doing something.

Broomhall wrote:Look all this criticism of the police and the courts is unfounded, and any one being burgled should comfort themselves by the thought that on NO circumstances will someone who dares to train a bird of prey unlawfully get anything other than the full force of the law

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-30524910

You dont want to be annoying Old Bill with your tales of burglary when they have more serious matters to attend to.

forcefraser wrote:

Fat Git wrote:

TheCobra wrote:You also have to think about the law and what they'd even get sentenced with if caught (for the original burglary). No doubt they'd get a slap on the wrists or at worse a few months inside, which is nothing to the scrotes that do this sort of thing.

Risk vs reward still says don't take on 2 guys when there's only one of you, unless you are a heavyweight with one punch KO power and can flatten people.

Does anyone remember a tough heavyweight from Bristol who was part of Sanigar's gym - Karl Andrews - and he was stabbed to death in a fight in Spain (his murderers are still at large) and Dean Francis was thinking aloud in an interview how someone so big and tough could lose his life in such a way but when there are weapons - it doesn't matter big or tough you are - there isn't much defence against a knife or a paving stove - even if they land against crossed arms - it is going to do a lot of damage.

The real villains in all this are GMP who have let a burgarly epidemic develop in Manchester, you call them out and there is that bored irritantance as they give you the number for crimestoppers - the scrotes (and there are hundreds) know this and know they can run free robbing houses. Some of the estates in that city are rife with these horrible pudenda and they think they are above the law, and they are at this moment in time. It is absolutely disgusting and it is the fault of the police. They are a disgrace when it comes to burgulary and every Mancunian knows it.

Get well soon Anthony. My condolences to his family.

I would`nt say it`s the fault of the police. I would say that the police could do far more to limit it, but they are not the cause of the problem.

The cause of the problem is a system that has continually marginalized large numbers of people for far too long. In doing so the moral fibre of many communities has fallen to bits. Children grow up never having seen their parents work for a living. A number of these parents do not instill proper values in their kids as they themselves have no idea what proper values are. Thus the spiral continues and you end up with an element of society that think it is fine to rob from other people who actually graft for a living.

That is not the fault of the police.