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Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 15:39
by Dennis
He is creating competition among the networks too even though his company is buying the spots. One network can't look at it after a year or two and see it doing well and dramatically increase the rates. I think it is a brilliant move and should increase boxing's presence in pop culture.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 15:41
by Dennis
Blodhemn wrote:Yet fights like Bika-Stevenson continue to happen. This is incredibly inventive. Why has no one thought of it before?
Bika-Stevenson may not be your cup of tea but I think a lot of fans will tune in. We are talking about a fight on FREE TV featuring a current LHW champ and a former SMW champ who just lost his title. Sounds like a decent bout to me.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 15:50
by ReggieDiggs
Blodhemn wrote:Yet fights like Bika-Stevenson continue to happen. This is incredibly inventive. Why has no one thought of it before?
If thats all you notice here you are blind or stupid. And beyond that sh!tting on a fight card is like sh!tting on a resume. You can do it all day long til everything in the sport has been sh!t on.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 15:59
by Dennis
Reggie I've noticed a theme across all of Blodhemn's posts. He continuously posts negative things about Haymon, Haymon's TV deals and shows. Haters love to hate.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 16:41
by Blodhemn
Dennis, I notice you're quite bias as well. You've got a reason to be since you think Haymon is going to make Jordan the next Floyd.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 17:09
by MachoTime
Dennis wrote:
Blodhemn wrote:Yet fights like Bika-Stevenson continue to happen. This is incredibly inventive. Why has no one thought of it before?
Bika-Stevenson may not be your cup of tea but I think a lot of fans will tune in. We are talking about a fight on FREE TV featuring a current LHW champ and a former SMW champ who just lost his title. Sounds like a decent bout to me.
It's not FREE. The Days of buying a T.V and hooking up a antenna are long gone.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 18:28
by tiny_acres
MachoTime wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Blodhemn wrote:Yet fights like Bika-Stevenson continue to happen. This is incredibly inventive. Why has no one thought of it before?
Bika-Stevenson may not be your cup of tea but I think a lot of fans will tune in. We are talking about a fight on FREE TV featuring a current LHW champ and a former SMW champ who just lost his title. Sounds like a decent bout to me.
It's not FREE. The Days of buying a T.V and hooking up a antenna are long gone.
Funny that I hooked an antenna up to my digital tv at my cabin.It freaking works.
There is still free tv.It just has to have either a digital tv or a digital converter.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 18 Feb 2015, 20:32
by crusader
ReggieDiggs wrote:
crusader wrote: I'm fairly sure that you do constantly post about Haymon (it's not that hard to track who has discussed what) and that you have started arguments defending Haymon from claims no one made about him (e.g. the thread I keep mentioning where you went off about Haymon not having obligations to be transparent when someone merely claimed that he's seen as relatively suspicious because of his low-profile).
That thread was RETARDED for anyone being reasonable & Al tends to make people unreasonable for whatever reason. People in positions such as Al virtually never do interviews. You will sometimes catch Cameron Dunkin, a higher profile manager, doing interviews every now & again, but he's about the most notable non-promoter/fighter/trainer talking to the media on camera. For the most part EVERYONE in non-promoter/fighter/trainer positions talk to the media on camera about as often as a Muslim eats pork regardless to fans opinion on their importance in the sport or the number of people they work for.

And sh!t like I said before this cat might have some sorta social anxiety kinda thing or something cuz its not just boxing where this guy keeps a low profile, its life. He's been doing business in the concert world forever & you won't find him doing random interviews there either so its not like he's a supervillain hiding in the dark or anything like people seem to wanna portray.
As for Bika-Stevenson and what it suggests about one's views towards Haymon, others have claimed that they're fine with the bout and I don't take it as each of them being part of the Haymon crew like yourself (though no doubt BI is), nor would I take your suggestion that the bout is solid as itself being an indication of your views toward Haymon. That is based on a much wider body of evidence, and I only brought up the point about certain people being cheerleaders because someone else mentioned a related issue.
You might be insane as well as a negative nancy. Saying a fight is "solid" is being a cheerleader? Thats a sh!tty ass cheerleader :lol: I mean as you said you got no problem with others saying its "fine". But you act like I said this is foty or something. I said what those other cats said with no mention of Al who you seem to hate & then when I come with a defense of your Al hate I'm considered a Al lover. I assure you I'm way more neutral on Al than you & your kind are.
As I mentioned before, I hardly see how this bout is 'solid' when Stevenson, an elite LHW, is facing a blown up SMW who's lost to every world class opponent he's faced, hasn't won in nearly two years, looked quite poor in widely losing his last fight, was hurt multiple times over his last two fights in addition to being dropped in his fight fight with Dirrell, and has a style that relies on physical strength-which will likely be significantly less effective against men who are bigger than the opponents he's faced throughout his career. I simply don't see what is solid about Bika facing an elite LHW champ who is bigger, much harder punching, and more skilled; he doesn't deserve the shot and I suspect he'll lose convincingly for the second time in a row.
I can definitely see your side & the two year non-win streak was something I mentioned previously once you brought it up. I hadn't considered that.
I don't think that I'm generally a negative poster and it could simply be that most of our conversations are about matters that I'm negative about, however you define that, and hence your perception is distorted. I do think it's rather hypocritical that people criticizing a fight that will be on free TV, although not for all of course, seems to be what triggered you to raise the negativity issue given that I know you've complained about bouts that were also on free TV.

I'm also glad that you're amused by my word choice :TU:
You seem ultra focused on the free tv joke I made for some reason. I said that was a goof off of BI's remark. And I've said over & over if you wanna sh!t on whatever thats your business & I know you enjoy sh!tting on things. I got no clue why you keep bringing it up as if its relevant to any stance I have. I do dig that we have fights on free tv coming up & I do find it comical guys are sh!tting on fights that won't require having HBO/Showtime/PPV or involve illegally streaming fights, but thats your business if you sh!t on them. You are misunderstanding me joking on you & people like you not your ability or desire to sh!t on free fights.
I think we could go at this all day. I'll just close by saying a few things:

1. If you read my posts carefully you should've seen that I never claimed that thinking this fight is 'solid' or 'good' alone suggests that someone pro-Haymon. That is to be determined by a much larger body of evidence, one considering things like someone constantly defending him-even from criticism that was never made (e.g. his obligation to be transparent); directing virtually no criticism toward him; and lauding things related to him down to the use of an unoriginal camera angle.

2. Even though you claim you were simply joking about BI's remark, you immediately precede to claim that it's comical for people to criticize fights because they're on free TV, which is essentially what you did when you made the so-called joke. You quite obviously seem to think the fact that the bout is on CBS means that it's unreasonable to criticize it, which to me is absurd and shows that you weren't simply joking. I also think you've been self-centered in this matter, as CBS isn't free for everyone and you seem to have no problems criticizing fights that are free for people outside the US but not for those in the US; why were you being so negative Reggie?

Remember guys, if you criticize any fight that is on free TV in the US you're just a negative Nancy who enjoys sh!tting on boxing.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 02:29
by MachoTime
Funny that I hooked an antenna up to my digital tv at my cabin.It freaking works.
There is still free tv.It just has to have either a digital tv or a digital converter.


That's true. You can buy one of those at Target. I was watching the Kings game tonight on NBCSN and there was a brief commercial about Broner vs. Molina Mar 7 on NBC. I caught the tail end. I think it said NBC. So is it on channel 4 or the high end. I thought Haymon was Showtime CBS. Perhaps the Broner fight is by someone slse. Can't keep up with all of this...

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 07:05
by ReggieDiggs
crusader wrote: 1. If you read my posts carefully you should've seen that I never claimed that thinking this fight is 'solid' or 'good' alone suggests that someone pro-Haymon. That is to be determined by a much larger body of evidence, one considering things like someone constantly defending him-even from criticism that was never made (e.g. his obligation to be transparent); directing virtually no criticism toward him; and lauding things related to him down to the use of an unoriginal camera angle.
I apologize I'm excited for boxing on prime time national TV for the first time since I've been watching boxing. I know its a crime in your glass half empty world for anyone to be excited about boxing. I'll try not to be excited about boxing in discussions of boxing with you in the future as I can see it disrupts your enjoyment of hating on the sport.
2. Even though you claim you were simply joking about BI's remark, you immediately precede to claim that it's comical for people to criticize fights because they're on free TV, which is essentially what you did when you made the so-called joke. You quite obviously seem to think the fact that the bout is on CBS means that it's unreasonable to criticize it, which to me is absurd and shows that you weren't simply joking. I also think you've been self-centered in this matter, as CBS isn't free for everyone and you seem to have no problems criticizing fights that are free for people outside the US but not for those in the US; why were you being so negative Reggie?
You are great at angling things how you wanna see them I'll give you that. The reality is I'm joking at you & your type who'll bitch & moan about anything like it or not. Basically the difference between us is if you won a million dollars tomorrow you'd be like "ugggghhhh gotta pay taxes on this" instead of going to the bank & getting $50,000 in $1 bills & going immediately to the strip club or doing or buying something else for myself or someone else thats fun, nice or pleasurable like I would.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 07:08
by caldo2025
Anyone that says that the Stevenson vs Bika fight is a good fight loses any credibility in my eyes. It's a horrible fight and another dodge job by Stevenson. Since he ran like a scared child from the Kovalev fight, look what he's done. He's nothing but a punk and I really can't wait until someone knocks the head off this former pimp and woman abuser. Canadians must be desperate for a hero when you would clap your hands for someone as despicable as Stevenson.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 10:47
by MachoTime
caldo2025 wrote:Anyone that says that the Stevenson vs Bika fight is a good fight loses any credibility in my eyes. It's a horrible fight and another dodge job by Stevenson. Since he ran like a scared child from the Kovalev fight, look what he's done. He's nothing but a punk and I really can't wait until someone knocks the head off this former pimp and woman abuser. Canadians must be desperate for a hero when you would clap your hands for someone as despicable as Stevenson.
My guess is after those two marvelous performances by Bika against Dirrell earned him the big shot at Stevenson :lol:

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 11:02
by montrealsuper
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM AL HAYMON.

All of Haymon's key boxers will be protected so they can be packaged and sold as counterfeit heroes on Haymon's new TV shows.

Welcome to the Al Haymon Fake Boxing League reality show.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 11:14
by ikorolev
MachoTime wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:Anyone that says that the Stevenson vs Bika fight is a good fight loses any credibility in my eyes. It's a horrible fight and another dodge job by Stevenson. Since he ran like a scared child from the Kovalev fight, look what he's done. He's nothing but a punk and I really can't wait until someone knocks the head off this former pimp and woman abuser. Canadians must be desperate for a hero when you would clap your hands for someone as despicable as Stevenson.
My guess is after those two marvelous performances by Bika against Dirrell earned him the big shot at Stevenson :lol:
I think Brian Vera is more deserving opponent after being KO'ed by Rosado. :lol: :lol: :lol: Haymon needs to pay more attention looking for soft opposition.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 11:16
by Dennis
Bika is with Haymon too.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 11:30
by KBB
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:What do you call people who overly-vilify one person within a completely corrupt and dysfunctional system?

Biased?
Stupid?
Insane?

Maybe even racists, just from the fact that it's Haymon (who is associated with Mayweather). So for that alone and being black he will get spit upon, people love to close a blind eye to the issue of race when they know it is playing a factor in boxing. Jim Lampley will use any opportunity to hate on Haymon, why? Because he is a successful black man at the pinnacle of the sport stealing HBO's thunder, if you are black and successful then you are arrogant according to the bigots.

I don't think any of the people who over-vilify one person are stupid or insane, they may be biased but then again they should have that same feeling towards, Oscar and especially towards Bob Arum (this man has single-handily stopped the biggest fight in boxing history but gets a pass every time).

I think we will see some really decent fights, maybe it won't be the PPV stars that will fight on the networks for free (they don't often do that in the UFC, if at all) but you have to start somewhere, this isn't ABC Wide World of Sports but once you start to see the regulars enough who are up and coming then you will start to know them and appreciate seeing them more, especially for free.

My hat is off the Haymon, he may not be doing everything perfect but at least he's trying. What has Arum, Oscar, HBO and Showtime brought us??

Who else is doing this in boxing?? Dana White is but he's UFC

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 11:31
by tiny_acres
Dennis wrote:Bika is with Haymon too.
Dennis give it up.Your kid is with Haymon you will be seen as the enemy from some of these people. :doh:

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 12:44
by Blodhemn
caldo2025 wrote:Anyone that says that the Stevenson vs Bika fight is a good fight loses any credibility in my eyes. It's a horrible fight and another dodge job by Stevenson. Since he ran like a scared child from the Kovalev fight, look what he's done. He's nothing but a punk and I really can't wait until someone knocks the head off this former pimp and woman abuser. Canadians must be desperate for a hero when you would clap your hands for someone as despicable as Stevenson.
Just wait, my man. Haymon is my doo. Expect great things, not Garcia/Salka things, cos you can't repeat that kind of greatness, but this Stevenson/Bika fight is a step back to greatness. It's never been done before.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 16:12
by Dennis
tiny_acres wrote:
Dennis wrote:Bika is with Haymon too.
Dennis give it up.Your kid is with Haymon you will be seen as the enemy from some of these people. :doh:
So are about 150+ other boxers. I don't know what the final tally will be but my guess is well over 200. Soon Haymon Boxing will be like MLB is to baseball and Top Rank and promoters/managers who don't work with Haymon will be similar to the minor league in baseball. A farm club from which the majors can find a few boxers to bring up to the majors.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 16:25
by ReggieDiggs
Dennis wrote: So are about 150+ other boxers. I don't know what the final tally will be but my guess is well over 200.
Well over 200. I was thinking he'd go higher. I suspect we'll be seeing more "advisors" too.

Reports suggest hes got 170ish now. I went thru his reported roster last week & I could only find 144 guys, but its obviously a lot regardless of the exact number.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 19 Feb 2015, 17:58
by Dennis
Reggie - it is hard to say how many are with Haymon. Same thing can be said of promoters, managers, trainers, etc. Some promoters claim to have a contract with particular boxers and don't. Same thing with some managers and trainers. Unless you have seen the contract, you really don't know for sure. You can surmise certain things from watching boxing though. The guys who thank Haymon are probably with him or want to be. I have seen many boxers thank a TV network or a promoter for putting them on a particular show and they probably don't have a contract with either (other than for that one particular fight).

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 21 Feb 2015, 04:22
by Blodhemn
Lol @ the MLB analogy, they need to have some more champions, more money and fewer mismatches for that to be a possibility. If you actually look at who is signed, instead of some number then things don't look quite the same. Above 154, Stevenson is the only legit champ belonging to Haymon and they've screwed around so much to where Kovalev now has the WBO, IBF and WBA and making the huge payday with Pascal. Stevenson is now nothing more than a belt holder who ducks competition and is on his way out. Epic failure.

HBO still is the only place where stars are made, and Haymon fighters aren't going to be fighting there.

Re: Stevenson is facing who!!

Posted: 21 Feb 2015, 06:24
by Andrew
This fight is awful

He should at least fight Eielder Alvarez now.