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jezzamundo wrote:

KBB wrote:

man wrote:very reasonable scoring for me.

Sour Grapes and Sore Losers

You're being immature - I've explained my scoring of the fight and why I think it was close. I've never cried robbery or blamed the result on Manny's shoulder. We disagree on the scoring - fair enough- it's hardly surprising in a low action fight with few meaningful punches landed by either fighter. Not everyone who had the fight close is a 'Pactard', scoring in boxing can be quite subjective and there is often a large range of difference of opinion.

Fine, well enough for me, have a nice night.

jezzamundo wrote:We disagree on the scoring - fair enough- it's hardly surprising in a low action fight with few meaningful punches landed by either fighter.

exactly.

man wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:We disagree on the scoring - fair enough- it's hardly surprising in a low action fight with few meaningful punches landed by either fighter.

exactly.

For the last time (hopefully).

The fight was not close.

One guy hit the other guy almost twice as much.

One guy landed 20 more powershots.

One guy landed the vast majority of the clean, hard punches.

It was ALL the same guy doing that.

And to boot, almost NO ONE WHO SAW IT IN PERSON HAD IT CLOSE.

And COMPUBOX had it JUST LIKE all those people.

Manny got worked. Live with it.

koolkc107 wrote: One guy landed 20 more powershots.

One guy landed the vast majority of the clean, hard punches.

Please tell me you're not talking about Floyd

Ricky_ wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: One guy landed 20 more powershots.

One guy landed the vast majority of the clean, hard punches.

Please tell me you're not talking about Floyd

Guess I can add "selective amnesia" to the growing list of your astonishing self-delusional abilities...

koolkc107 wrote:

man wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:We disagree on the scoring - fair enough- it's hardly surprising in a low action fight with few meaningful punches landed by either fighter.

exactly.

For the last time (hopefully).

The fight was not close.

One guy hit the other guy almost twice as much.

One guy landed 20 more powershots.

One guy landed the vast majority of the clean, hard punches.

It was ALL the same guy doing that.

And to boot, almost NO ONE WHO SAW IT IN PERSON HAD IT CLOSE.

And COMPUBOX had it JUST LIKE all those people.

Manny got worked. Live with it.

I don't think we'll disagree on the results, but can we leave some guy pushing buttons out of it? This isn't amateur boxing.

Once more with feeling: You watch one round, score it, watch the next and score it,etc. At the end you add all that up and there's your score.

It annoys me to no end, all this fvcking math in discussions on pro boxing. "Ooooh, according to this, 58% of power shots compared to 36% for that guy, that must mean...'' you watched the fight, just tell me what you saw.

I hate compubox, I can't say it enough.

I am no big fan of Compubox per se.

But when the compiled stats back up everything everybody saw?

Yeah, I am going to mention it every time.

http://youtu.be/x-OsGL1aRIA. Summary, also does each round in slomo with punch counter at bottom of screen

koolkc107 wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:This thread is for those of you who scored the fight closer than 116-112.

Specifically, those of you had it 7-5 Floyd, a draw, or Manny winning.

Please explain which rounds you gave to Manny.

And for each round you thought he won, please explain exactly why.

Please be as detailed as you can.

I am starting this because I am perplexed as to how anyone can see more than 4 rounds for Pac.

And even that is a gift, as 117-111 seems the most proper score, with 118-110 perfectly understandable.

If you go to Australia and Pacific forum RE-Mayweather v Pacquiao on the 4-5-2015 I kind of gave my theory I didn't really explain my view on the round's but I do remember saying I couldn't give the last round to TBE because he put on a Usain Bolt impersonation or something along those lines just about every-one that i'v seen gave TBE the 2nd round I gave that round to Manny because he was the aggresser punch stat's claim both landed 3 punche's that round if you believe that BS I compaired my score to Aussie boxing expert's Paul Upham and Grantly Kieza.
Upham 116/112 Mayweather and Kieza 115/113 Mayweather ...........And me....... Manny won round's 2-4-6-9-10-12 that's my opinion.........
114/114 a DRAW....................

You explained it there, you can man up and explain it here.

I have already explained in this thread why you have to be kinda biased to give Manny rounds 2 and 12. I even posted video of 12, so feel free to take a look and tell me where you see Manny winning the round and please elaborate on round 2 as well.

I agree that Manny won rounds 4, 6, and 10.

No way he won 9 so that is another round I need your indepth explanation on.

No way he won round 9 well that will do me fu.. explaining any thing to a empty head like you

Empty head? No son, you are in denial.

ROUND 9 RECAP:

Some success early and late for Pacquiao, both in those flurries against the ropes. At the very end, it seemed like he might get a good rally going, but Mayweather avoided and shut things down. The rest of the round was what we have some for the most part. 10-9 Mayweather. That makes it 88-83 Mayweather after 9, so Pacquiao needs to go for it now.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/3/853 ... ht-results

Manny Pacquiao is just finding it hard to do much with Floyd Mayweather. The easy openings aren't there. It's not that Pacquiao is fighting poorly, he's just not able to land the clean shots he needs, and Mayweather's movement and defense and jab have controlled this fight.

Pacquiao does land a good left hand late in the round, but Mayweather stings back with a hard counter right hand to convince the judges. He'd won most of the round, but put his stamp on it. Mayweather is fighting brilliantly for the most part, and Manny Pacquiao just can't catch up to him with the type of shots and pressure he needs to win. Nothing's over until it's over, but Floyd is looking like he's moving toward the victory.

Mayweather is ahead in this fight. The most you can give Pacquiao, maybe, is three rounds. He's just not getting it done so far. This is a Floyd Mayweather fight.

SB Nation scores the round 10-9 for Floyd Mayweather, who now leads 88-83 on our card

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/5/3/853870 ... ve-round-9

Round 9: Pacquiao draws cheers from the partisan crowd with a flurry at the end of the round, but Mayweather lands enough early and more frequently to keep the fight in the center of the ring. Advantage: Floyd.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ear ... view-info/

Round 9

Pacquiao throws a hard lunging left hand, then gets tied up again by Floyd. Manny throwing lefts but not connecting. Floyd connects on a right as Pacquiao turns away. Floyd, as he has done so many times in his illustrious career, is coming on in the later rounds and figuring Manny out.

Round to Floyd but 5-4 Pacquiao.

http://boxingjunkie.com/2015/05/02/floy ... -analysis/

Round 9: Pacquiao rushes Mayeather into the ropes but can't land cleanly. Almost eats a counter right and flails wildly in a counter attempt, landing little but a pair of cuffing shots after they tie up. Nice straight left from Pacquiao to counter the Mayweather jab. Manny whiffs on a lead left and eats a Mayweather right hand. Tries to lunge in again and Floyd shoves him back. Mayweather sticks Pacman with a sharp jab as he tries to get work done against the ropes. Counters the Pacquiao left with his own right, glancing off of Pacquiao's head. Glancing lead right from Floyd. Pacquiao lunges in with a body shot, and stings Mayweather with a right hook right after. Now Mayweather responds with a brutal counter right when he tries to follow up. 10-9 Mayweather, 86-85 Pacquiao

http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/5/2/853 ... d-by-round

And on and on and on.

I am sure a few actually did score round 9 for Pac. But they were in a decided minority.

http://youtu.be/D0Zpa7BhuIY. Round 9 slo mo with punch count

Pureist wrote:http://youtu.be/x-OsGL1aRIA. Summary, also does each round in slomo with punch counter at bottom of screen

Pureist, that video is a crock of crap. Review his score of Rounds 3 & 8 for example.

This video highlights them -- https://youtu.be/KUFjne0h8wQ

Hotspurx wrote:

Pureist wrote:http://youtu.be/x-OsGL1aRIA. Summary, also does each round in slomo with punch counter at bottom of screen

Pureist, that video is a crock of crap. Review his score of Rounds 3 & 8 for example.

This video highlights them -- https://youtu.be/KUFjne0h8wQ

just did, that straight to the body should have been counted, that flurry that he showed wasnt even in either of those 2 rounds, a couple of punches should have been added for both fighters and that hook of floyds hit on the back and side of pacquaios neck, not scoring, a couple hit on the top of pacquaios head, not scoring

round 4, 2 punches for floyd not scored and 5 not scored for pacquaio, the guy isnt scoring many body shots

round 5, 2 punches not scored for floyd, 3 for pacquaio

Pureist boxing has 4 criterias to score a fight not just punches landed.
In Rd 9 where you say the punch lands on pacquiao's neck, Mayweather still won that exchange by avoiding Manny's attack and moving out of the corner and making Manny come to him. Manny was dancing to Floyds beat all night and is why he lost. It had nothing to do with more punches landed etc.
You can win fights purely on the other categories which is what Floyd did.
To all you guys who think Manny won this fight learn the other criterias to score a fight as this was not even a controversial decision as there usually is in boxing.

you wont win a round without landing punches, both showed ring generalship at different stages, if pacquaio was going forward and getting pinged relentlessly and not landing, fair enough, but he was landing so then the aggression has to be scored to pacquaio, i know boxing back to front, round 6 soon, by the way, pacquaio has landed the harder shots overall, that goes to him so far aswell

Pureist wrote:http://youtu.be/D0Zpa7BhuIY. Round 9 slo mo with punch count

Dave Moretti scored that round for Floyd Mayweather. Yup. Maybe it's hard to see from Floyd's pocket.

Firstly willie pep won rounds without throwing punches and secondly Mayweather did land punches.
Thirdly manny's aggression was not effective.
Finally it is no use arguing with you as you know everything

kimf wrote:Firstly willie pep won rounds without throwing punches

I'm not surprised Floyd fan's use Urban Myths to try to justify scoring rounds in his favour after spending 3 minutes runing away and powder-puffing a jab.

lots missed this round 6, from countdown timer, 2.50 floyd lands right, 1.21 floyd scored punch but pacquaio rolled under and it missed, 1.11 pacquaio landed 3 bodyshots not scored, 1.07 right hook for pacquaio not scored, 102 floyd lands jab not scored, 48 floyd lands body shot pacquaio lands left hand both not scored, 46 floyd lands jab not scored, 43 floyd lands jab not scored, 42 pacquaio lands left to body not scored, 41pacquaio lands right uppercut not scored, 35 floyd lands jab not scored, 24 floyd lands jab not scored, 20floyd lands jab not scored, 16 pacquaio lands left not scored, 6 floyd lands jab not scored, ends even round on punches. pacquio landing harder punches, coming forward scoring

I hate Floyd Mayweather, it is not my fault manny lost and no matter how hard you try and convince everyone that he didn't it won't change anything especially the result.

kimf wrote:Firstly willie pep won rounds without throwing punches and secondly Mayweather did land punches.
Thirdly manny's aggression was not effective.
Finally it is no use arguing with you as you know everything

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Willi ... kie_Graves best you read this on boxrec encyclopedia, stop listening to myths, pacquaio was landing punches so his aggression was effective, i know more because i dont listen to myths

Hotspurx wrote:

Pureist wrote:http://youtu.be/x-OsGL1aRIA. Summary, also does each round in slomo with punch counter at bottom of screen

Pureist, that video is a crock of crap. Review his score of Rounds 3 & 8 for example.

This video highlights them -- https://youtu.be/KUFjne0h8wQ

its actually flattering to floyd so far

Pureist wrote:

Hotspurx wrote:

Pureist wrote:http://youtu.be/x-OsGL1aRIA. Summary, also does each round in slomo with punch counter at bottom of screen

Pureist, that video is a crock of crap. Review his score of Rounds 3 & 8 for example.

This video highlights them -- https://youtu.be/KUFjne0h8wQ

just did, that straight to the body should have been counted, that flurry that he showed wasnt even in either of those 2 rounds, a couple of punches should have been added for both fighters and that hook of floyds hit on the back and side of pacquaios neck, not scoring, a couple hit on the top of pacquaios head, not scoring

The video address 2, 3, 6 & 8. So, straight right in which round?

'That hook'? I assume you mean at the end of round 3? That hits Pacquiao underneath the ear and on the jaw line. But yes, you'd be forgiven for not scoring it if you applied the same standards to Pacquiao. Speaking of which, the flurry was in round 6.

1 or 2 of those shots landed cleanly. 1 of which really was behind the ear. Top of the head? If you're referring to the right hand in round 2, it lands clean. There's a shot a few seconds earlier that lands cleanly too.

The only way, in my view, you can score this bout to Pacquiao is by giving him the benefit of the doubt on over a dozen shots. Those shots fall on the blind side of the camera or scuff Money's guard.

I don't the video I've linked is flattering to Floyd. Why? Because by negating Pacquiao's phantom shots Floyd is already up on our 'Punch Count' in Rounds 2 & 8. That's even before we count Floyd's shots. The viral video demonstrates extreme bias and counts Pacquiao shots that miss clean ...

... Unless you really think those shots landed in round 2?