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Baby Face Finster wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Ok strategy v Monroe junior but against the best that will get you in trouble.

And who is the best?

Not Willie with 6 KOs.

Lara
Ward
Froch
. . . and young lions moving up the ladder.

Really, I still think 3G should stay at MW. I think he is vulnerable to the body if he faces bigger fighters with significant beard.

Taking a few shots to test power can work but the quantity of solid shots he took tonight could definitely get him in trouble with a number of MWs.

He is the ruler of mw without doubt but I think he is beatable and he is getting older fast now.

Lara could be finished even sooner. Froch and Hearn know that Carl wouldn't hear the final bell, so they are ducking. Ward is the only real challenge under 168 if he can still comfortably make 168.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

fergusg wrote:Golovkin is much better than what he showed tonight... and he allowed a sub-standard opponent to be very briefly competitive, when he should have been stopped a round or two earlier.

Talk about nitpicking. So because he didn't stop him a round or two earlier then it was a disappointment? Keep on hating hater.

Yep. G established who the better boxer was in the first round. After that, he was all in for the KO.

Tanzio wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Ok strategy v Monroe junior but against the best that will get you in trouble.

And who is the best?

Not Willie with 6 KOs.

Lara
Ward
Froch
. . . and young lions moving up the ladder.

Really, I still think 3G should stay at MW. I think he is vulnerable to the body if he faces bigger fighters with significant beard.

Taking a few shots to test power can work but the quantity of solid shots he took tonight could definitely get him in trouble with a number of MWs.

He is the ruler of mw without doubt but I think he is beatable and he is getting older fast now.

There is no one at MW who can beat him or dent his chin. The only trouble he will be in is if he moves to 175 as I don't think there is anyone at 168 who can trouble him outside of Ward and we all know Golovkin has a much better beard than Ward.

If Lara wants the beat down let him move up to 160. Anyone who thinks Lara stands a chance is delusional.

Golovkin is P4P king at the moment, I don't care what anybody says he is bloody ridiculous. He simply does what he wants and doesn't even need to go into top gear.

ikorolev wrote:Lara could be finished even sooner. Froch and Hearn know that Carl wouldn't hear the final bell, so they are ducking. Ward is the only real challenge under 168 if he can still comfortably make 168.

Let's try not to sound like FloydHype. While I believe that he would bust up pretty much anyone including Lara and Froch, he would be well advised not to take flush shots from fighters at that level and neither fight would be a foregone conclusion.

I hope 3G gets some big money action before he goes downhill.

He would walk through Lara the same way he did today. With Froch, he would fight differently.

ikorolev wrote:He would walk through Lara the same way he did today. With Froch, he would fight differently.

Let's see it.

Lara's not even that big of a puncher at 154...I don't think GGG would have a problem taking his shots.

Tanzio wrote:

ikorolev wrote:He would walk through Lara the same way he did today. With Froch, he would fight differently.

Let's see it.

Yes, it is time to shut a few more mouth's especially taking into account that there seem to be no better immediate opportunities. I hope I am wrong about opportunities though.

Ian1973 wrote:Golovkin is P4P king at the moment, I don't care what anybody says he is bloody ridiculous. He simply does what he wants and doesn't even need to go into top gear.

I'd put Roman ahead of him at this point.

The only thing coming between Gonzo and the #1 spot right now is Mayweather. I think he is more complete than Floyd, but Floyd's resume and 0 secures his #1 spot at the moment.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Golovkin is P4P king at the moment, I don't care what anybody says he is bloody ridiculous. He simply does what he wants and doesn't even need to go into top gear.

I'd put Roman ahead of him at this point.

No, he's just new to (a lot of) people and exciting at the moment. Everybody likes something fresh and exciting. Plus he fights at a nothing weight that has lesser competition by numbers.

crusader wrote:Lara's not even that big of a puncher at 154...I don't think GGG would have a problem taking his shots.

He could tear his face up though.

Tanzio wrote:

crusader wrote:Lara's not even that big of a puncher at 154...I don't think GGG would have a problem taking his shots.

He could tear his face up though.

How's he going to do that lying on the canvas? As soon as Lara tastes Triple G's power he will be on his bike for the rest of the fight and reluctant to throw punches. The G-Train will simply break him down the way he does to everybody.

Ian1973 wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Golovkin is P4P king at the moment, I don't care what anybody says he is bloody ridiculous. He simply does what he wants and doesn't even need to go into top gear.

I'd put Roman ahead of him at this point.

No, he's just new to (a lot of) people and exciting at the moment. Everybody likes something fresh and exciting. Plus he fights at a nothing weight that has lesser competition by numbers.

He's not new at all, no matter what anyone thinks. He's a 3 division undefeated champion who is 43-0 with 37 KOs against top comp in those classes. What makes the competition more inferior at the lower weight classes? They are just not as well known as the higher classes. While GGG is incredibly talented, Gonzalez is more.

Sosa is a lot more accomplished than Monroe. Don't get me wrong, I love G and see him as a top 5 p4p fighter. It's just that Gonzo is the top of the top.

For what it's worth, I ranked him in the top 3 before tonight.

Impractical Poster wrote:

No, he's just new to (a lot of) people and exciting at the moment. Everybody likes something fresh and exciting. Plus he fights at a nothing weight that has lesser competition by numbers.
He's not new at all, no matter what anyone thinks. He's a 3 division undefeated champion who is 43-0 with 37 KOs against top comp in those classes. What makes the competition more inferior at the lower weight classes? They are just not as well known as the higher classes. While GGG is incredibly talented, Gonzalez is more.

I'm talking new in terms of exposure. for example if you asked the average boxing fan who Golovkin is six months a ago he'd know, if you asked him who Gonzalez is he probably wouldn't know. The higher weight levels are more competitive in that there are simply more middlweighted men in the world than flyweights so that pool is always going to be that bit less competitive. In simple terms it's easier to look outstanding against ten potential opponents than it is against one hundred (very extreme example).

Ian1973 wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

No, he's just new to (a lot of) people and exciting at the moment. Everybody likes something fresh and exciting. Plus he fights at a nothing weight that has lesser competition by numbers.
He's not new at all, no matter what anyone thinks. He's a 3 division undefeated champion who is 43-0 with 37 KOs against top comp in those classes. What makes the competition more inferior at the lower weight classes? They are just not as well known as the higher classes. While GGG is incredibly talented, Gonzalez is more.

I'm talking new in terms of exposure. for example if you asked the average boxing fan who Golovkin is six months a ago he'd know, if you asked him who Gonzalez is he probably wouldn't know. The higher weight levels are more competitive in that there are simply more middlweighted men in the world than flyweights so that pool is always going to be that bit less competitive. In simple terms it's easier to look outstanding against ten potential opponents than it is against one hundred (very extreme example).

I'd have to look into that. There are a lot of countries with smaller people, and they are mostly smaller countries. Countries where boxing is popular. But looking at Gonzo's skill, it is apparent how good he is at a p4p level. Like you said, there are more middle weighted people in the world. But, there have been times where heavier weighted guys have been #1 rated. i feel Ganzo has shown the skill to be ranked as high as #2 at this time.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

No, he's just new to (a lot of) people and exciting at the moment. Everybody likes something fresh and exciting. Plus he fights at a nothing weight that has lesser competition by numbers.
He's not new at all, no matter what anyone thinks. He's a 3 division undefeated champion who is 43-0 with 37 KOs against top comp in those classes. What makes the competition more inferior at the lower weight classes? They are just not as well known as the higher classes. While GGG is incredibly talented, Gonzalez is more.

I'm talking new in terms of exposure. for example if you asked the average boxing fan who Golovkin is six months a ago he'd know, if you asked him who Gonzalez is he probably wouldn't know. The higher weight levels are more competitive in that there are simply more middlweighted men in the world than flyweights so that pool is always going to be that bit less competitive. In simple terms it's easier to look outstanding against ten potential opponents than it is against one hundred (very extreme example).

I'd have to look into that. There are a lot of countries with smaller people, and they are mostly smaller countries. Countries where boxing is popular. But looking at Gonzo's skill, it is apparent how good he is at a p4p level. Like you said, there are more middle weighted people in the world. But, there have been times where heavier weighted guys have been #1 rated. i feel Ganzo has shown the skill to be ranked as high as #2 at this time.

Don't get me wrong, Gonzalez is obviously good, very good.

I'd ask though, if he were the same weight as Golovkin would Gonzalez beat him? Would Gonzalez beat Mayweather at same weights? Would Gonzalez beat Kovalev at same weights or Ward or Klitschko? When you get to "elite" levels in weight categories that are very competitive it's a bit of a different ball game. Impossible to answer really but when you're talking P4P number one that's the type of thing that has to be considered .............. in my humble opinion.

No, but I could hear the crowd buzzing even from the broadcast I was watching, and I've seen a few comments from people who were there which suggest that the crowd was indeed very enthusiastic.

I don't know why people care about P4P anymore. Weight classes are so watered down that it's beyond meaningless. MW isn't a good division, but Gonzalez has virtually no one on the scene to compete with him at his respective weight class and weight classes above. Other than Inoue, which I have no idea if that fight would be realistic at all of happening, Gonzalez has no competition around him. Great fighter to watch, but it's pretty crappy he isn't going to have an interesting rival any time soon.

Blodhemn wrote:I don't know why people care about P4P anymore. Weight classes are so watered down that it's beyond meaningless. MW isn't a good division, but Gonzalez has virtually no one on the scene to compete with him at his respective weight class and weight classes above. Other than Inoue, which I have no idea if that fight would be realistic at all of happening, Gonzalez has no competition around him. Great fighter to watch, but it's pretty crappy he isn't going to have an interesting rival any time soon.

Hmmmm, to be honest i do tend to agree with you.

People are always going to judge P4P however.

It's more or less lost it's relevancy and isn't much used in the mainstream anymore. The Gatti List and Anti Gatti List gets almost an equal play. After Floyd retires, I doubt it gets mentioned any more than MMA P4P lists do. It's practically been used as a marketing tool to an extent, and hardly anybody else has that sort of media pull in boxing today.

Freedom2013 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:People in California are booing when Ward is mentioned !

They booed hard too. A Kazakh who has only been fighting in the US for like two and a half years or something is not only selling more tickets than Ward in his home country, but he's doing it in his home state and the locals are booing Ward heartily too.

To people from So Cal, Oakland may as well be in another state, and that's the only place Ward would have the crowd behind him.

crusader wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:To be fair, I was distracted by my baby daughter while watching the 5th so I possibly got it wrong. GGG undoubtedly landed the better punches, but Monroe was landing a lot more punches and GGG was defensively poor.

Fair enough, but a left hook buckled Monroe to the point of nearly going down and he took plenty of hard punches during the round that were clearly helping to wear him down. I just don't see how he came close to winning that with his pitter-pats, which were increasingly losing steam.

Ah, I didn't see that punch - must have been when she started crying. That said, I find it hard to score rounds for GGG when he is blocking so many punches with his face, even when they aren't hurting him. He loses the defense and clean punching categories automatically.

It's not amateur boxing though and he lands plenty of shots himself, typically much harder shots than his opponents do. I also thought that Monroe only outlanded him in the fourth, and I think Pat Russell's score of 49-44 was the most appropriate.