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crusader wrote: Which poll?

This thread's poll is about who would have the best chance, not who would actually beat him. Someone can think that Lara (who only has 6 votes as I write this) has the best chance yet still heavily favor GGG.

Do you expect the dummy Brut to understand the difference between the best chance and reality ? Once again, poor children who got that dummy as a teacher

crusader wrote:Heiland's never been stopped...you may be thinking of Tureano Johnson.

Lara is with Haymon so that could be tough to make.

Yes, I meant that Lara is a better option than Heiland or Johnson (whose name I couldn't recollect). Yes, it is not easy but worth trying to shut up a few more haters and prove Gennady's superiority over Canelo.

ikorolev wrote:

Evander wrote:I doubt if Lara will be getting a chance anytime soon.
Does anyone really believe the networks want to put on a runner playing tag again anytime soon.

Against Golovkin, he wouldn't be able to run for too long. Gennady doesn't have any good immediate options, so why not beat Lara while waiting for a bigger name ? Definitely better than Heiland or whatever his name is (stopped by Stevens).

The first thing that springs to mind is Lara isn't exactly what I consider to be the danger man, he's has 24 fights of which he's lost 2 and drawn 2.
Angulo almost knocked him out as well so he's not what I consider to be a major threat to GGG and if he really wants to fight move up because GGG is the one that carries weight and calls the shots at this time.
I understand why people want GGG to fight better opponents I do too, but there's other ways.
For one thing no one will recognize any one else but him as a Middleweight champion, all of the others will be deemed as pretenders.
For know I say keep lining them up at 160 and GGG can keep knocking them down, I think people would be much happier with that than watching someone like Lara playing pattycakes while saying I tagged you last now chase me.

You know we say GGG should move down for Lara and up for Ward, why does GGG have to do all the maneuvering.
I like Ward but he's done nothing in 3 and a half years, you can only live off the Super 6 for so long before the critics come knocking.

GGG beats them all.

Evander wrote: The first thing that springs to mind is Lara isn't exactly what I consider to be the danger man, he's has 24 fights of which he's lost 2 and drawn 2.
Angulo almost knocked him out as well so he's not what I consider to be a major threat to GGG and if he really wants to fight move up because GGG is the one that carries weight and calls the shots at this time.
I understand why people want GGG to fight better opponents I do too, but there's other ways.
For one thing no one will recognize any one else but him as a Middleweight champion, all of the others will be deemed as pretenders.
For know I say keep lining them up at 160 and GGG can keep knocking them down, I think people would be much happier with that than watching someone like Lara playing pattycakes while saying I tagged you last now chase me.

You know we say GGG should move down for Lara and up for Ward, why does GGG have to do all the maneuvering.
I like Ward but he's done nothing in 3 and a half years, you can only live off the Super 6 for so long before the critics come knocking.

Agreed, but there are quite a few dummies who are saying that GGG is ducking Lara who called him out. In this interview from yesterday, they even asked Loefler about Lara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KcYZZzES6I
and Tom didn't rule him out this time. By beating Lara, GGG would have another argument to push for the Canelo fight.

Think you should of called the thread which of these fighters could last the longest ...

ikorolev wrote:

Evander wrote: The first thing that springs to mind is Lara isn't exactly what I consider to be the danger man, he's has 24 fights of which he's lost 2 and drawn 2.
Angulo almost knocked him out as well so he's not what I consider to be a major threat to GGG and if he really wants to fight move up because GGG is the one that carries weight and calls the shots at this time.
I understand why people want GGG to fight better opponents I do too, but there's other ways.
For one thing no one will recognize any one else but him as a Middleweight champion, all of the others will be deemed as pretenders.
For know I say keep lining them up at 160 and GGG can keep knocking them down, I think people would be much happier with that than watching someone like Lara playing pattycakes while saying I tagged you last now chase me.

You know we say GGG should move down for Lara and up for Ward, why does GGG have to do all the maneuvering.
I like Ward but he's done nothing in 3 and a half years, you can only live off the Super 6 for so long before the critics come knocking.

Agreed, but there are quite a few dummies who are saying that GGG is ducking Lara who called him out. In this interview from yesterday, they even asked Loefler about Lara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KcYZZzES6I
and Tom didn't rule him out this time. By beating Lara, GGG would have another argument to push for the Canelo fight.

I can't believe people would actually say GGG is ducking Lara and needs another argument to push for Canelo :)
I'm not even sure how Lara worked his way into the GGG conversation in the first place.
I just watched what Tom had to say and it sounds like they're keeping the options open.

None of those guys listed. I wouldn't even necessarily pick the top guys @ 168 to beat him.

Andre Dirrell would give GGG serious problems.
Ward could outwork and outmanuever GGG.

Maybe Canelo, if his chin can hold up to GGG's punches. But then again, am I am forgetting how unspectacular Canelo looked against Trout, Mayweather and Lara?

I'd also like to see Demetrius Andrade VS GGG. That would an interesting fight.

Evander wrote:I'm not even sure how Lara worked his way into the GGG conversation in the first place.

By being a top level fighter who is actually willing to fight GGG ... isn't that enough at this point?

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Andre Dirrell would give GGG serious problems.
Ward could outwork and outmanuever GGG.

Maybe Canelo, if his chin can hold up to GGG's punches. But then again, am I am forgetting how unspectacular Canelo looked against Trout, Mayweather and Lara?

I'd also like to see Demetrius Andrade VS GGG. That would an interesting fight.

Dirrell would shit himself dry and have to pull out of the fight with dehydration after the first press conference. In the ring, he has little chance, but maybe actually slightly more than Ward because Dirrell has some pop, and at 168 he would probably hit GGG harder than anyone has so far.

Ward gets stopped mid to late in the fight. Every time GGG fights the Ward question is brought up, and for me nothing ever changes. You say outwork but Ward's workrate is poor. Outmanoevre? That's vague. The reality is GGG could walk through Ward's punches with impunity. You're going to take shots vs him, no question. Ward doesn't have the constitution to hang.

crusader wrote:

I agree to an extent. But Joachim Alcine of all guys was able to nullify Lemieux's power fairly easily using timing, spacing, good jab. Alcine was a guy who Lemieux was suppose to KO fairly early

That's true, but I don't think Lemieux was adequately prepared and in my view he mentally wasn't in the right place following the loss to Rubio. That's not to say that the Alcine fight didn't expose limitations that Lemieux still has, but I think he's made subtle adjustments (e.g. more jabs) and paces himself better. I get the sense that GGG takes many of the shots he does not because he can't evade them, but because he doesn't respect his opponents' power, and to me Lemieux is perhaps the best candidate to make him take a step back and focus more on not being hit.

Power doesn't matter to GGG he treats people with contempt. He is going to have to move up a good two weight divisions before anyone's power can affect him. He literally doesn't care who lands flush or when at the moment he's that comfortable he doesn't even try to defend against it - he just walks through everyone.

GGG has a good chin and I don't think someone will beat him just with power, but I'm not conviced that he'd be able to walk through clean shots from a puncher with two-handed power such as Lemieux in the way he's walked through most of his opponent's punches.

Curtis Stevens may be a heavier hitter than Lemieux. And if not, he's on par. He ate a couple of Stevens' shots and kept going, albeit, it was wise for him not to keep taking them. While I believe David has gotten better since his defeats, G would be just too much for him powerwise and skillwise. I'm sure G would respect his power more than he did Monroe's, but I'm confident he could take it.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Andre Dirrell would give GGG serious problems.
Ward could outwork and outmanuever GGG.

Maybe Canelo, if his chin can hold up to GGG's punches. But then again, am I am forgetting how unspectacular Canelo looked against Trout, Mayweather and Lara?

I'd also like to see Demetrius Andrade VS GGG. That would an interesting fight.

Andre Dirrell was troubled by Gennady's shots in amateurs. He will be destroyed now.

ikorolev wrote:Andre Dirrell was troubled by Gennady's shots in amateurs. He will be destroyed now.

Yeah sure, he hasn't developed nothing since his amateur days

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Andre Dirrell was troubled by Gennady's shots in amateurs. He will be destroyed now.

Yeah sure, he hasn't developed nothing since his amateur days

He definitely developed his acting abilities fully demonstrated in the Abraham fight.

Can't see any on that list giving GGG much trouble.
A Lemieux fight would be entertaining for the two or three rounds that it lasts.
Lara would back peddle and maybe steal a few rounds before getting stopped late.
Cotto and Canelo are likely to tread water until they fight eachother.

I believe now is the time to move up, not just for "the right fight" as Loeffler says, but for good.
Maybe start with Chudinov and build from there.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Who ever voted for Lemiuex is a joke he would get stopped in 2.

Lara, ward and canelo have chances.

I will say four or five in a fan friendly shootout.

ikorolev wrote:He definitely developed his acting abilities fully demonstrated in the Abraham fight.

As usual, a pitiful comeback with nothing of substance; that is so you. Thanks for proving your ignorance.

ikorolev wrote:

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Andre Dirrell was troubled by Gennady's shots in amateurs. He will be destroyed now.

Yeah sure, he hasn't developed nothing since his amateur days

He definitely developed his acting abilities fully demonstrated in the Abraham fight.

Aaaaaah got drapped maaaaaaan

Impractical Poster wrote:

crusader wrote:

I agree to an extent. But Joachim Alcine of all guys was able to nullify Lemieux's power fairly easily using timing, spacing, good jab. Alcine was a guy who Lemieux was suppose to KO fairly early

That's true, but I don't think Lemieux was adequately prepared and in my view he mentally wasn't in the right place following the loss to Rubio. That's not to say that the Alcine fight didn't expose limitations that Lemieux still has, but I think he's made subtle adjustments (e.g. more jabs) and paces himself better. I get the sense that GGG takes many of the shots he does not because he can't evade them, but because he doesn't respect his opponents' power, and to me Lemieux is perhaps the best candidate to make him take a step back and focus more on not being hit.

Power doesn't matter to GGG he treats people with contempt. He is going to have to move up a good two weight divisions before anyone's power can affect him. He literally doesn't care who lands flush or when at the moment he's that comfortable he doesn't even try to defend against it - he just walks through everyone.

GGG has a good chin and I don't think someone will beat him just with power, but I'm not conviced that he'd be able to walk through clean shots from a puncher with two-handed power such as Lemieux in the way he's walked through most of his opponent's punches.

Curtis Stevens may be a heavier hitter than Lemieux. And if not, he's on par. He ate a couple of Stevens' shots and kept going, albeit, it was wise for him not to keep taking them. While I believe David has gotten better since his defeats, G would be just too much for him powerwise and skillwise. I'm sure G would respect his power more than he did Monroe's, but I'm confident he could take it.

I thought GGG was more cautious than usual against Stevens, and while Stevens has power he can also be very negative and wait around without throwing much, with virtually all of his meaningful shots being predictable left hooks rather than a variety of punches as is the case with David.This could why he has a significantly lower KO percentage than Lemieux and was unable to even beat someone like Gabe Rosado when DL dropped him, rocked him several times, and battered him for a stoppage.

I agree that G was a bit more cautious than usual with Stevens. As he should have. G can be a very effective boxer when he needs to, which seems to only be the 'feeling out rounds' thus far. I believe his approach would be similar if he faces DL. Anyhow, my point was that I believe G could handle DLs power. Not so sure about the other way around. But it is a fight I would love to see. Hopefully not too far in the future. Abel is alwAys talking about making the fights that are fan friendly. And this one would absolutely deliver.

I suspect that GGG could take his power--Rosado was hurt regularly but he didn't get blown away--yet at the same time I think it could effect GGG enough to make him more hesitant than normal, which could then lead to him adopting a different approach than we've seen recently; if he's going to batter everyone I'd at least like to see some variety! I also think he may benefit from facing someone with serious pop, as he seems to have gotten more lax defensively as a result of his opponents not being offensive threats and I don't want that to become too much of a habit.

Impractical Poster wrote:my point was that I believe G could handle DLs power. Not so sure about the other way around. But it is a fight I would love to see.

Lemieux can KO absolutely anyone when he connects right, GGG included. And i believe he does hit harder.
That's a dangerous fight for Gennady, one he needs taking very seriously.

Quillin too could cause him problems.

But his chin is better than either.

ajwesty13 wrote:Think you should of called the thread which of these fighters could last the longest ...

Good call.

crusader wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:LOL at people giving Canelo a shot. Alvarez with his cement feet and bad stamina will get beat to a pulp by GGG.

Only possible upset I can envision (from 154-160) would be if Lara could stink out the joint and avoid GGG's bombs for 12 rounds while avoiding the heavy artillery and landing enough counters, but even that is highly unlikely.

Emmseegee, a poster in the British and Irish section, is favoring Canelo and has stated:

"GGG done the business again but im gonna have to admit that I fancy Canelo to beat him it happens. He is relying on his power too much and willing to sacrifice rounds to land the big shots. If Canelo could handle his power then Id fancy him to take it on the cards."

What do you think of that?

I don't see GGG as a "Razor Ruddock" type relying on his power at all. He broke Monroe down with body work and Monroe is far more mobile and elusive than Alvarez. Alvarez is a good boxer but not a great or even a slick one, and he will not avoid GGG's bombs. Add to that Canelo's lack of a high work-rate and stamina issues, and I give him practically zero shot. Style-wise he is made to order for Golovkin.