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handsofstone wrote:Arthur got the nod against Foster Jr Magwitch but Stephen put Alex down late on,might have been the 11th and Arthur was on queer street but he made it to the end,i didnt score fights back then but i remember Foster Jr and his team were raging that they never won the title

Alex Arthur seemed to be one of they fighters who was probably better before he became world champ.....like Mike Tyson

If I remember Arthur also dropped Foster with a body shot in the mid rounds.

He was very good as European champion but could never seem to cut it as a proper world champ. He's lucky he never fought Guzman because I think he would have done a number on him.

palooka wrote:Though Barnsley has its issues it is not overseas, mag.

Kirakosyan is one of my favourite punchers to watch, he had a really distinctive style.

I thought Sky went to the other fella's place. I must have remembered that wrong. I guess with their cash it would be easier to get him over here for a few quid instead. Well perhaps the first one was away then? I'll find out...

Kevin Mitchell really epitomised what he's about versus Johanneson because I think Johanneson whacked him with some really big shots but then he just gassed. Mitchell showed something that night. It's ironic because in ten years people will talk about Katsidis and this American who's just beaten him....sometimes these domestic dusts ups don't get the recognition imho.

EDIT - Jorge Linares appears to be a Venezuelan. He's not even based in America, but Japan.

And Carl Johanneson boxed the European guy on home soil twice. Crystal Palace the first time, and exotic Barnsley the second, as Palooka says.

handsofstone wrote:Arthur got the nod against Foster Jr Magwitch but Stephen put Alex down late on,might have been the 11th and Arthur was on queer street but he made it to the end,i didnt score fights back then but i remember Foster Jr and his team were raging that they never won the title

Alex Arthur seemed to be one of they fighters who was probably better before he became world champ.....like Mike Tyson

Fair play

good grief, it wasn't even a SD. Could have sworn it was. It was a UD for Arthur and that fight was in 2007!!


Getting back to Johanneson for a second. He put Ricky Burns down 3 times in their British title fight at Leeds town hall - Boxrec normally makes mention of these things, but there's no sign of it in the record. But Burns was down 3 times, lost - and went on to win and defend a world title. Whereas, Johanneson, got the door slammed shut in his face at European level........it goes to show with Boxing, on another day....I think luck - or fate - definitely has a little hand here and there.

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He was the business. Wasn't "From Hell" his nickname or something?..............might sound a touch ignorant this but I'm a little bit surprised that someone out of Moscow could reach that level of ability at boxing. It's not exactly an easy place to get on for an ordinary chap, I'd have thought.
Also, I would have thought the Russian Mafia and general ne'erdowells would be bothering you like flies around sh*t wanting you to "do jobs" for them.
It really goes to show how good those Americans were around that time. I can't remember who Karmazin lost to, but I know he slipped up against at least one of them, although I think he may have been a belt holder, for a little while anyway.[/quote]

"Made in hell"

I remember seeing him at Ally Pally, dismantle a local lad whose names momentarily escapes me, he ripped him to bits, and some of his supporters got a bit miffed when I explained that really the guy never had a lot of chance against Karmazin.

magwitch wrote:

handsofstone wrote:Arthur got the nod against Foster Jr Magwitch but Stephen put Alex down late on,might have been the 11th and Arthur was on queer street but he made it to the end,i didnt score fights back then but i remember Foster Jr and his team were raging that they never won the title

Alex Arthur seemed to be one of they fighters who was probably better before he became world champ.....like Mike Tyson

Fair play

good grief, it wasn't even a SD. Could have sworn it was. It was a UD for Arthur and that fight was in 2007!!


Getting back to Johanneson for a second. He put Ricky Burns down 3 times in their British title fight at Leeds town hall - Boxrec normally makes mention of these things, but there's no sign of it in the record. But Burns was down 3 times, lost - and went on to win and defend a world title. Whereas, Johanneson, got the door slammed shut in his face at European level........it goes to show with Boxing, on another day....I think luck - or fate - definitely has a little hand here and there.

Yeah i remember that,i thought it was only twice though

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

He was the business. Wasn't "From Hell" his nickname or something?..............might sound a touch ignorant this but I'm a little bit surprised that someone out of Moscow could reach that level of ability at boxing. It's not exactly an easy place to get on for an ordinary chap, I'd have thought.
Also, I would have thought the Russian Mafia and general ne'erdowells would be bothering you like flies around sh*t wanting you to "do jobs" for them.
It really goes to show how good those Americans were around that time. I can't remember who Karmazin lost to, but I know he slipped up against at least one of them, although I think he may have been a belt holder, for a little while anyway.[/quote]

"Made in hell"

I remember seeing him at Ally Pally, dismantle a local lad whose names momentarily escapes me, he ripped him to bits, and some of his supporters got a bit miffed when I explained that really the guy never had a lot of chance against Karmazin.[/quote]

David Walker - Christ 12 years ago that.

Walker never seemed to recover from that loss, he wasn't ready to step up to a 12 rounder against someone like Karmazin, got thrown to the wolves really.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

He was the business. Wasn't "From Hell" his nickname or something?..............might sound a touch ignorant this but I'm a little bit surprised that someone out of Moscow could reach that level of ability at boxing. It's not exactly an easy place to get on for an ordinary chap, I'd have thought.
Also, I would have thought the Russian Mafia and general ne'erdowells would be bothering you like flies around sh*t wanting you to "do jobs" for them.
It really goes to show how good those Americans were around that time. I can't remember who Karmazin lost to, but I know he slipped up against at least one of them, although I think he may have been a belt holder, for a little while anyway.

"Made in hell"

I remember seeing him at Ally Pally, dismantle a local lad whose names momentarily escapes me, he ripped him to bits, and some of his supporters got a bit miffed when I explained that really the guy never had a lot of chance against Karmazin.[/quote]

David Walker - Christ 12 years ago that.

Walker never seemed to recover from that loss, he wasn't ready to step up to a 12 rounder against someone like Karmazin, got thrown to the wolves really.[/quote]


I wouldn't say he got thrown to the Wolves at all. He never took a "good hiding" it was all over in about 3 rounds and I think it was body shots that did for him.

Also, as - possibly Steve Bunce - alluded to nearer the time, he'd had something of a national campaign going for him in the tabloid media had Walker at the time because he was a Feel-Good story, looking after his ailing mother at home, whilst aspiring for greatness, and it was suggested that it was all a bit overwhelming in the end!............I'm not so sure I agree with that bit though, personally. I just think Walker was the can and Karmazin had the right tin-opener, he was just too good for him.
As regarding thrown to the Wolves.......what was he supposed to do, not take his shot at a European Title?....at least I assume it was for the European title as i can't think what else it was for............Walker probably belongs in the same bracket as Johanneson on that count - he was just handed an insurmountable assignment.

Yuri Romanov looked absolutely brilliant v Jon Thaxton - I thought he'd win a world title for sure.

(Sorry chiggsy and Stuart you got there well before me )

handsofstone wrote:Arthur got the nod against Foster Jr Magwitch but Stephen put Alex down late on,might have been the 11th and Arthur was on queer street but he made it to the end,i didnt score fights back then but i remember Foster Jr and his team were raging that they never won the title

Alex Arthur seemed to be one of they fighters who was probably better before he became world champ.....like Mike Tyson

Heard a few people say he had all the talent in the world but just wouldn't listen. Always knew best attitude. Did he not change trainers a lot?

Stuarty30 wrote:

handsofstone wrote:Arthur got the nod against Foster Jr Magwitch but Stephen put Alex down late on,might have been the 11th and Arthur was on queer street but he made it to the end,i didnt score fights back then but i remember Foster Jr and his team were raging that they never won the title

Alex Arthur seemed to be one of they fighters who was probably better before he became world champ.....like Mike Tyson

Heard a few people say he had all the talent in the world but just wouldn't listen. Always knew best attitude. Did he not change trainers a lot?

Changing trainers constantly from what i remember but yeah he was talented and even though he became world champ,theres a hint of what if

Though the Gomez/Arthur bout was brilliant and I was so happy for Gomez I have to say that Alex was very bbrave and played his part in a great contest. Alex was marked out as someone special, he had his photo in the boxing news when he was about 12 years old. Arthur dealt with Ricky Burns well, his jab was fantastic.

Going back to old times Larry Gains was a good heavy from Canada, fought here numerous times, 70,000 saw him beat Primo Carnera on points here, Larry would go on and win the Commonwealth title, and defend it here a few times. Notably knocking out Jack London in 2 rounds at one point, Jack would go on to gain revenge in later rematches.
Larry also knocked out Max Schmeling in 2 rounds, that one in Germany. In all Larry fought in 10 different countries.

Old bones Ian wrote:Going back to old times Larry Gains was a good heavy from Canada, fought here numerous times, 70,000 saw him beat Primo Carnera on points here, Larry would go on and win the Commonwealth title, and defend it here a few times. Notably knocking out Jack London in 2 rounds at one point, Jack would go on to gain revenge in later rematches.
Larry also knocked out Max Schmeling in 2 rounds, that one in Germany. In all Larry fought in 10 different countries.

Fantastic call. I've read loads about him over the years.

Tony Pep was always good value.

Daniel Londas boxed all over Europe and beat the heavy hitting Mark Reefer over here - Londas had a really distinctive style of Boxing with his arms pinned to his body and gloves by his cheeks, he was remarkably effective.

black panther wrote:Affif Djelti turned over a few of our boys at Super Feather. His was a great story; turning pro at 31 and losing his first four fights etc.

This is who I immediately thought of.

Old bones Ian wrote:Going back to old times Larry Gains was a good heavy from Canada, fought here numerous times, 70,000 saw him beat Primo Carnera on points here, Larry would go on and win the Commonwealth title, and defend it here a few times. Notably knocking out Jack London in 2 rounds at one point, Jack would go on to gain revenge in later rematches.
Larry also knocked out Max Schmeling in 2 rounds, that one in Germany. In all Larry fought in 10 different countries.

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Bizzarely, I used to share a flat in Streatham with Larry Gains' great grandson.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Going back to old times Larry Gains was a good heavy from Canada, fought here numerous times, 70,000 saw him beat Primo Carnera on points here, Larry would go on and win the Commonwealth title, and defend it here a few times. Notably knocking out Jack London in 2 rounds at one point, Jack would go on to gain revenge in later rematches.
Larry also knocked out Max Schmeling in 2 rounds, that one in Germany. In all Larry fought in 10 different countries.

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Bizzarely, I used to share a flat in Streatham with Larry Gains' great grandson.

Tom Molineaux.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Going back to old times Larry Gains was a good heavy from Canada, fought here numerous times, 70,000 saw him beat Primo Carnera on points here, Larry would go on and win the Commonwealth title, and defend it here a few times. Notably knocking out Jack London in 2 rounds at one point, Jack would go on to gain revenge in later rematches.
Larry also knocked out Max Schmeling in 2 rounds, that one in Germany. In all Larry fought in 10 different countries.

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Bizzarely, I used to share a flat in Streatham with Larry Gains' great grandson.

He was a complete mentalist as it happens, with a massive drink and drug problem. Seems Gains was something of an alcoholic and gambler himself, so I guess it was in the genes.

He did also happen to be rather tasty in a punchup.

TheWigwam wrote:Emanuel Augustus had a fun fight against Jon Thaxton

Yeah that was a classic tussle. They brought over Augustus expecting him to be a tune-up for a world title shot. Augustus managed three fights within the month. One in America, one in Denmark and that one against Thaxton in England.

Dixonian wrote:

TheWigwam wrote:Emanuel Augustus had a fun fight against Jon Thaxton

Yeah that was a classic tussle. They brought over Augustus expecting him to be a tune-up for a world title shot. Augustus managed three fights within the month. One in America, one in Denmark and that one against Thaxton in England.

that is hard core.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Bizzarely, I used to share a flat in Streatham with Larry Gains' great grandson.

He was a complete mentalist as it happens, with a massive drink and drug problem. Seems Gains was something of an alcoholic and gambler himself, so I guess it was in the genes.

He did also happen to be rather tasty in a punchup.

nice of you to tell everyone for him. Yeah, must have been in the genes. "Had it comin" ...next case :>

palooka wrote:

Dixonian wrote:

TheWigwam wrote:Emanuel Augustus had a fun fight against Jon Thaxton

Yeah that was a classic tussle. They brought over Augustus expecting him to be a tune-up for a world title shot. Augustus managed three fights within the month. One in America, one in Denmark and that one against Thaxton in England.

that is hard core.