jamesmcdonnell wrote:
These things are not new to Floyd, they have always been part of negotiations before a fight, with the champion usually (though not always calling the shots).
I've seen nothing to suggest that there is any impropriety regarding Moretti - as far as I am concerned, there is really only one contentious decision in Floyd's career, and that was against Castillo - and that was far from controversial - and Moretti wasn't involved in either of those.
I don't think there's ever been a boxer with more control over fights than Floyd. If you have any examples to prove otherwise then I'm all ears. Boxing has bent the rules to cater to this guy and if you can't see that then I'm not sure what sport you've been watching.
It's all just about money.
Ray Leonard was very similar, he just didn't have quite as long a career, and also wasn't inclined to cherry pick as much, but he did take the upper hand on contract negotiations, for the same reason as Floyd does - he knows that everyone who fights him, is more than likely getting a career high payday, and that their own greed will get the better of them.
Floyd wouldn't even fight Canelo at Jnr. Middleweight, the very notion of him fighting a beast that's wiping out Middleweight is absurd.
To be fair to Floyd though, asking a fighter campaigning comfortably at Welter to move up to face Golovkin (previously Martinez) is unreasonable. I can see why people call on it, because Floyd is running around calling himself "TBE", challenging yourself over and above your weight class seems to be the standard for truly great fighters (Robinson, Armstrong, Pacquiao, Ezzard). Nobody really takes his claims seriously though. There's not much point in whining about the Berto fight imo, let him ride off into the sunset with his "buddy" and 400k buys and say good riddance, i'll try to remember him for the fighter I was a fan off, pre-welterweight, when he was a true master of the sweet science.
jamesmcdonnell wrote: Ray Leonard was very similar, he just didn't have quite as long a career, and also wasn't inclined to cherry pick as much, but he did take the upper hand on contract negotiations, for the same reason as Floyd does - he knows that everyone who fights him, is more than likely getting a career high payday, and that their own greed will get the better of them.
I have no problem with Floyd demonstrating his power in his prefight negotiations. He deserves every bit of that and should never be the B side of any negotiations. My problem is with him having control over who judges the fight. Who referee's the fight or dictating everything on fight night down to the gloves his opponent can use.
Even though Maidana's boxing gloves were approved by the Boxing Federation and cleared, Floyd threatened to boycott the fight ON FIGTNIGHT if Maidana didn't change into thicker, softer gloves. That's crazy to me. Maidana trained for weeks in those mitts and then on fight night, Floyd starts crying. It's that sort of stuff that isn't in the contract but ends up being an unfair advantage that only Floyd can receive.
jamesmcdonnell wrote: Ray Leonard was very similar, he just didn't have quite as long a career, and also wasn't inclined to cherry pick as much, but he did take the upper hand on contract negotiations, for the same reason as Floyd does - he knows that everyone who fights him, is more than likely getting a career high payday, and that their own greed will get the better of them.
I have no problem with Floyd demonstrating his power in his prefight negotiations. He deserves every bit of that and should never be the B side of any negotiations. My problem is with him having control over who judges the fight. Who referee's the fight or dictating everything on fight night down to the gloves his opponent can use.
Even though Maidana's boxing gloves were approved by the Boxing Federation and cleared, Floyd threatened to boycott the fight ON FIGTNIGHT if Maidana didn't change into thicker, softer gloves. That's crazy to me. Maidana trained for weeks in those mitts and then on fight night, Floyd starts crying. It's that sort of stuff that isn't in the contract but ends up being an unfair advantage that only Floyd can receive.
Is there actual evidence he's forced the commission to appoint Moretti?
Floyd wouldn't even fight Canelo at Jnr. Middleweight, the very notion of him fighting a beast that's wiping out Middleweight is absurd.
To be fair to Floyd though, asking a fighter campaigning comfortably at Welter to move up to face Golovkin (previously Martinez) is unreasonable. I can see why people call on it, because Floyd is running around calling himself "TBE", challenging yourself over and above your weight class seems to be the standard for truly great fighters (Robinson, Armstrong, Pacquiao, Ezzard). Nobody really takes his claims seriously though. There's not much point in whining about the Berto fight imo, let him ride off into the sunset with his "buddy" and 400k buys and say good riddance, i'll try to remember him for the fighter I was a fan off, pre-welterweight, when he was a true master of the sweet science.
Let's be fair here. Floyd won his first title at SFW - weighing 130 - to expect him to compete above 154 isn't really reasonable. He's not even a big 147 lber.
Robinson won his first title at 147, that's a big difference. Robinson was a bigger frame.
He won't ride off after Berto - there's already talk from Pacman's camp about a rematch, watch how Mayweather tries to sell it to the public again - if people are dumb enough to fall for that crap, then on their heads be it.
Floyd wouldn't even fight Canelo at Jnr. Middleweight, the very notion of him fighting a beast that's wiping out Middleweight is absurd.
To be fair to Floyd though, asking a fighter campaigning comfortably at Welter to move up to face Golovkin (previously Martinez) is unreasonable. I can see why people call on it, because Floyd is running around calling himself "TBE", challenging yourself over and above your weight class seems to be the standard for truly great fighters (Robinson, Armstrong, Pacquiao, Ezzard). Nobody really takes his claims seriously though. There's not much point in whining about the Berto fight imo, let him ride off into the sunset with his "buddy" and 400k buys and say good riddance, i'll try to remember him for the fighter I was a fan off, pre-welterweight, when he was a true master of the sweet science.
Let's be fair here. Floyd won his first title at SFW - weighing 130 - to expect him to compete above 154 isn't really reasonable. He's not even a big 147 lber.
Robinson won his first title at 147, that's a big difference. Robinson was a bigger frame.
He won't ride off after Berto - there's already talk from Pacman's camp about a rematch, watch how Mayweather tries to sell it to the public again - if people are dumb enough to fall for that crap, then on their heads be it.
Let's be even fairer. Expecting FMJ to fight at 154 is also too much. He does have a 152 pound belt though.
The 3G talk is nonsense and it has always been nonsense. It was never going to happen and no one thinking objectively ever believed it could happen.
Floyd wouldn't even fight Canelo at Jnr. Middleweight, the very notion of him fighting a beast that's wiping out Middleweight is absurd.
To be fair to Floyd though, asking a fighter campaigning comfortably at Welter to move up to face Golovkin (previously Martinez) is unreasonable. I can see why people call on it, because Floyd is running around calling himself "TBE", challenging yourself over and above your weight class seems to be the standard for truly great fighters (Robinson, Armstrong, Pacquiao, Ezzard). Nobody really takes his claims seriously though. There's not much point in whining about the Berto fight imo, let him ride off into the sunset with his "buddy" and 400k buys and say good riddance, i'll try to remember him for the fighter I was a fan off, pre-welterweight, when he was a true master of the sweet science.
Let's be fair here. Floyd won his first title at SFW - weighing 130 - to expect him to compete above 154 isn't really reasonable. He's not even a big 147 lber.
Robinson won his first title at 147, that's a big difference. Robinson was a bigger frame.
He won't ride off after Berto - there's already talk from Pacman's camp about a rematch, watch how Mayweather tries to sell it to the public again - if people are dumb enough to fall for that crap, then on their heads be it.
Indeed, he was simply awesome campaigning between 130-140lb. He was pretty big for 130 & 135 however, given he's 5ft9 with a huge 72"inche reach there was always alot of frame for Floyd to work with to add some lean muscle like he has to compete at Welter.
He's moved through around 10lb in weight over a 20 year period. I don't believe he's ever tested himself over and above his weight. No doubt many of his opponents such as Corley, Gatti and Ortiz would have had a 10-15lb advantage in rehydration weight, but if we're talking true "TBE" terms, then we're talking Robinson Vs Maxim, Jones Jr vs Ruiz, Henry Armstrong dominating Welterweight weighing 130lb.... Greatest Ever p4p lists are made up of fighters defying the odds against bigger men, giving up big weight advantages, I guess that's where the demand for Floyd to fight Golovkin (previously Sergio) comes from.
Floyd wouldn't even fight Canelo at Jnr. Middleweight, the very notion of him fighting a beast that's wiping out Middleweight is absurd.
To be fair to Floyd though, asking a fighter campaigning comfortably at Welter to move up to face Golovkin (previously Martinez) is unreasonable. I can see why people call on it, because Floyd is running around calling himself "TBE", challenging yourself over and above your weight class seems to be the standard for truly great fighters (Robinson, Armstrong, Pacquiao, Ezzard). Nobody really takes his claims seriously though. There's not much point in whining about the Berto fight imo, let him ride off into the sunset with his "buddy" and 400k buys and say good riddance, i'll try to remember him for the fighter I was a fan off, pre-welterweight, when he was a true master of the sweet science.
Let's be fair here. Floyd won his first title at SFW - weighing 130 - to expect him to compete above 154 isn't really reasonable. He's not even a big 147 lber.
Robinson won his first title at 147, that's a big difference. Robinson was a bigger frame.
He won't ride off after Berto - there's already talk from Pacman's camp about a rematch, watch how Mayweather tries to sell it to the public again - if people are dumb enough to fall for that crap, then on their heads be it.
Indeed, he was simply awesome campaigning between 130-140lb. He was pretty big for 130 & 135 however, given he's 5ft9 with a huge 72"inche reach there was always alot of frame for Floyd to work with to add some lean muscle like he has to compete at Welter.
He's moved through around 10lb in weight over a 20 year period. I don't believe he's ever tested himself over and above his weight. No doubt many of his opponents such as Corley, Gatti and Ortiz would have had a 10-15lb advantage in rehydration weight, but if we're talking true "TBE" terms, then we're talking Robinson Vs Maxim, Jones Jr vs Ruiz, Henry Armstrong dominating Welterweight weighing 130lb.... Greatest Ever p4p lists are made up of fighters defying the odds against bigger men, giving up big weight advantages, I guess that's where the demand for Floyd to fight Golovkin (previously Sergio) comes from.
To be fair, Armstrong was rather a physical freak. He had an enlarged heart apparently which allowed him to fight at a pace that his opponents just couldn't match. I think his record is the most impressive of all. For a brief period he was absolutely destroying everthing put in front of him 19 KO's in 20 defences of his title.
I'd say Floyd at 135-140 was the best version, at 147 he lacked the firepower to win without adopting a very selective and defensive style.
Jones Jr v Ruiz, was impressive, but Ruiz was one of the worst heavyweight champs in the history of the sport.
Robinson v Maxim was a bridge too far, against a smaller man, he'd have been able to get him out of there before the heat got to him.
