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Tony1244 wrote: You diss Wilder but let Valuev off the hook. Value can't run away, he's not athletic enough. Watch Valuev-Holyfiled. It's tragic to watch. Haye ran away from Valuev and Wlad, that's true. But who has Wilder run away from? He outboxed Stiverne, that's not running away.

I'm not a fan of Valuev either, but Valuev proves that simply beïng big gives you a big advantage over someone smaller.
Valuev is big, Stiverne isn't.
Please note that Valuev had arthralgia during his latest few fights. That's why a chicken running guy like Haye had a chance.
Also, I don't diss Wilder, I just put everything in perspective.

If I'm driving the fastest time, it doesn't mean I'm the best driver, perhaps I only have the best car and the least idiots around me that crash into me.

Wilder just cherrypicks his opponends very carefully and scores a lot of points that way, but he still isn't a real good boxer at all.

Take a look at Damon McCreary for example, 14 fights, 14 wins, 10 of them on KO, now this is a serious guy right?
Then you look at it for a second time and then you realise he actually had three fights in the past eleven years and was actually a super middleweight at the time who gained over 90 pounds and automatically became a heavyweight during those eleven years!
Now that's the kind of opponend Wilder fights after 24 fights that ended in 24 KO's (at the time).

Or watch Jason Gavern for example, he had 45 fights and won 25 of them, nice match after 31 fights with 31KO wins from Wilder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeYplT2qPU

Now listen to what the commentators say, he's not in shape, he's old, he didn't have this fight on his planning, he's not a top fighter and the 32th KO Wilder has on his name thanks to him wasn't even a KO at all, he just said he was stopping the fight because he felt tired while he was safely sitting on his seat during the break.

Is that really the best America got to offer? Ofcourse he isn't, Jennings, Thompson, Washington, Martin, Cunningham, are probably better, not to mention Tarver, Mansour, name them, even Briggs probably has a serious chance.


Somehow those boxers are boxers Wilder simply avoid fighting.

asdfjkl -

Valuev was very sick when Haye allegedly beat him. He had seven operations after that fight. He is doing very well now, though, and is in the Russian parliament. Haye just ran away for the entire fight and landed one single good punch. The boxing mobsters wanted him to win so they got their hired judges to give him the so-called win. They figured he would be a much bigger "earner" than the sick and about to retire Valuev. If they were to adjudicate fights the way they did that one they could let a flyweight fight a heavyweight and just run away all night and then say he won.

I agree with you about Wilder. Harold Sconiers, who had lost 15 of his previous 18 fights, put him on his ass, and he was also KO'd in the amateurs. Molina had him in trouble and could have KO'd him if he was legit. The Scott fight looked as fake as Haye vs. Harrison. Wilder - Glass chin. Pencil legs. Cherry picked opponents. Hype job. That being said, Duhaupas ain't bad. The bookies have Wilder a 19 to 1 favorite.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:- No, make all them TBAs sweat.

It's funny, because they really do make TBA sweat.

the reigning WBC champion defends his title
another time against a fighter that is not even
top3o. this is the only way how to read this.

if the abcs had any back bone this would not
be sanctioned as a WBC belt fight. how on
earth does johann duhaupas deserve a shot
at the title? how on earth is wilder being allowed
to carry that belt without having to work for it?

i have no idea why people are so soft about this.
there should be an outcry and a television ban.

Badhusker wrote:We will find out more about him in his next fight.

he is the champ. finding out is over.

man wrote:

Badhusker wrote:We will find out more about him in his next fight.

he is the champ. finding out is over.

So is Chagaev the champ. But there's only one real champ and everybody knows who it is. There are almost as many phony alphabet champs in boxing now than there was in sports-entertainment wrasslin when ever region and local franchise and local tv channel had its very own "world champion".

x2x wrote:

man wrote:

Badhusker wrote:We will find out more about him in his next fight.

he is the champ. finding out is over.

So is Chagaev the champ. But there's only one real champ and everybody knows who it is. There are almost as many phony alphabet champs in boxing now than there was in sports-entertainment wrasslin when ever region and local franchise and local tv channel had its very own "world champion".

which is why nobody is taking chagaev as a champ
seriously. unlike wilder.

man wrote: which is why nobody is taking chagaev as a champ
seriously. unlike wilder.

I still think Chagaev would win, he's the rank three of the world for me at this moment, below Klitschko and Povetkin.

asdfjkl wrote:

man wrote: which is why nobody is taking chagaev as a champ
seriously. unlike wilder.

I still think Chagaev would win, he's the rank three of the world for me at this moment, below Klitschko and Povetkin.

i agree. what i meant was chagaev is
not seen as a belt holder. in contrast
to wilder.

man wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

man wrote: which is why nobody is taking chagaev as a champ
seriously. unlike wilder.

I still think Chagaev would win, he's the rank three of the world for me at this moment, below Klitschko and Povetkin.

i agree. what i meant was chagaev is
not seen as a belt holder. in contrast
to wilder.

Both Chagaev and Wilder are phony "heavyweight world champions".

They are deceitfully billing this latest Wilder setup as a fight for THE world heavyweight championship on tv.

x2x wrote: Both Chagaev and Wilder are phony "heavyweight world champions".

They are deceitfully billing this latest Wilder setup as a fight for THE world heavyweight championship on tv.

Chagaev still beated like three persons that I expect to win against Wilder.

Wilder is pathetic. He keeps pretending that Duhaupas is an exciting opponent. He even dares to compare his opposition to Wlad's

asdfjkl wrote: Chagaev still beated like three persons that I expect to win against Wilder.

IMHO Chagaev is much more legitimate than Wilder.

x2x wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Chagaev still beated like three persons that I expect to win against Wilder.

IMHO Chagaev is much more legitimate than Wilder.

He is, people actually avoid Chagaev instead of the other way around.
Wilder is probably a rank 20 ish guy at this moment. Wilder never won against anyone that clearly deserves a top 30 spot.

asdfjkl wrote:

x2x wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Chagaev still beated like three persons that I expect to win against Wilder.

IMHO Chagaev is much more legitimate than Wilder.

He is, people actually avoid Chagaev instead of the other way around.
Wilder is probably a rank 20 ish guy at this moment. Wilder never won against anyone that clearly deserves a top 30 spot.

Wilder deserves criticism for his choice of opponents. My complaint is that it seems as though Wilder is the only guy getting criticized.

Shannon Briggs has been around a lot longer than Wilder, and Briggs just knocked out a guy who had retired from boxing years ago. Why don't you criticize Mayweather for not fighting GGG? Why don't you criticize GGG for not fighting Ward? Why is Kovalev not fighting Stevenson? It's as though every kid in the class is misbehaving and only one kid gets in trouble.

I wonder what kind of money Duhaupas is getting paid for this fight. They've never even verbally said his name in any of the commercials for this fight. Yesterday during a few of the football games on NBC the announcers mentioned the fight and only one mentioned Johann by name, and that was incorrectly pronounced as Doo-paw.

punchoutsb wrote:I wonder what kind of money Duhaupas is getting paid for this fight. They've never even verbally said his name in any of the commercials for this fight. Yesterday during a few of the football games on NBC the announcers mentioned the fight and only one mentioned Johann by name, and that was incorrectly pronounced as Doo-paw.

Most likely they are paying the Frenchman to fall down on the floor ASAP so as not to embarrass their "world heavyweight champion" on tv, like the last one, Molina, almost did.

Tony1244 wrote: Wilder deserves criticism for his choice of opponents. My complaint is that it seems as though Wilder is the only guy getting criticized.

Shannon Briggs has been around a lot longer than Wilder, and Briggs just knocked out a guy who had retired from boxing years ago. Why don't you criticize Mayweather for not fighting GGG? Why don't you criticize GGG for not fighting Ward? Why is Kovalev not fighting Stevenson? It's as though every kid in the class is misbehaving and only one kid gets in trouble.

Briggs is 43, and he doesn't have a title. Mayweather and GGG would need to go up in weight to fight the opponents you named, and many people are still criticizing them. Kovalev vs Stevenson is not happening due to the HBO/Haymon issue, and they both are still being criticized.

ikorolev wrote:

Tony1244 wrote: Wilder deserves criticism for his choice of opponents. My complaint is that it seems as though Wilder is the only guy getting criticized.

Shannon Briggs has been around a lot longer than Wilder, and Briggs just knocked out a guy who had retired from boxing years ago. Why don't you criticize Mayweather for not fighting GGG? Why don't you criticize GGG for not fighting Ward? Why is Kovalev not fighting Stevenson? It's as though every kid in the class is misbehaving and only one kid gets in trouble.

Briggs is 43, and he doesn't have a title. Mayweather and GGG would need to go up in weight to fight the opponents you named, and many people are still criticizing them. Kovalev vs Stevenson is not happening due to the HBO/Haymon issue, and they both are still being criticized.

I understand the HBO/Haymon issue. Briggs is demanding a title shot which I think is even more ridiculous than Wilder's opponents. And some fans on here are only criticizing Wilder.

Tony1244 wrote:Wilder deserves criticism for his choice of opponents. My complaint is that it seems as though Wilder is the only guy getting criticized.

Shannon Briggs has been around a lot longer than Wilder, and Briggs just knocked out a guy who had retired from boxing years ago. Why don't you criticize Mayweather for not fighting GGG? Why don't you criticize GGG for not fighting Ward? Why is Kovalev not fighting Stevenson? It's as though every kid in the class is misbehaving and only one kid gets in trouble.

is this post meant as a joke? these things
are not even close to being comparable.
i do not even want to get started on why.
they just aren't.

Tony1244 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Tony1244 wrote: Wilder deserves criticism for his choice of opponents. My complaint is that it seems as though Wilder is the only guy getting criticized.

Shannon Briggs has been around a lot longer than Wilder, and Briggs just knocked out a guy who had retired from boxing years ago. Why don't you criticize Mayweather for not fighting GGG? Why don't you criticize GGG for not fighting Ward? Why is Kovalev not fighting Stevenson? It's as though every kid in the class is misbehaving and only one kid gets in trouble.

Briggs is 43, and he doesn't have a title. Mayweather and GGG would need to go up in weight to fight the opponents you named, and many people are still criticizing them. Kovalev vs Stevenson is not happening due to the HBO/Haymon issue, and they both are still being criticized.

I understand the HBO/Haymon issue. Briggs is demanding a title shot which I think is even more ridiculous than Wilder's opponents. And some fans on here are only criticizing Wilder.

Because Wilder is a "champion" in ducking who has fought only one top-20 HW in his entire career. The only other "champion" coming close is Braehmer, but he is a "regular" WBA champ, so not a real one.

man wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Wilder deserves criticism for his choice of opponents. My complaint is that it seems as though Wilder is the only guy getting criticized.

Shannon Briggs has been around a lot longer than Wilder, and Briggs just knocked out a guy who had retired from boxing years ago. Why don't you criticize Mayweather for not fighting GGG? Why don't you criticize GGG for not fighting Ward? Why is Kovalev not fighting Stevenson? It's as though every kid in the class is misbehaving and only one kid gets in trouble.

is this post meant as a joke? these things
are not even close to being comparable.
i do not even want to get started on why.
they just aren't.

So Briggs demanding a title shot makes sense to you? Mayweather vs Berto wasn't a total joke? Those things are fine but only Wilder deserves criticism? I state all the time Wilder deserves criticism too.

Many "fights" recently have had 50-1 or 100-1 odds, but it's just Wilder??? Maybe there's a language barrier between us or you hate Wilder so much you only see fault in him.

Wilder-Duhaupas is a joke but Mayweather-Berto and Briggs-Marrone were serious? I got ya.

Tony1244 wrote:

man wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Wilder deserves criticism for his choice of opponents. My complaint is that it seems as though Wilder is the only guy getting criticized.

Shannon Briggs has been around a lot longer than Wilder, and Briggs just knocked out a guy who had retired from boxing years ago. Why don't you criticize Mayweather for not fighting GGG? Why don't you criticize GGG for not fighting Ward? Why is Kovalev not fighting Stevenson? It's as though every kid in the class is misbehaving and only one kid gets in trouble.

is this post meant as a joke? these things
are not even close to being comparable.
i do not even want to get started on why.
they just aren't.

So Briggs demanding a title shot makes sense to you? Mayweather vs Berto wasn't a total joke? Those things are fine but only Wilder deserves criticism? I state all the time Wilder deserves criticism too.

Many "fights" recently have had 50-1 or 100-1 odds, but it's just Wilder??? Maybe there's a language barrier between us or you hate Wilder so much you only see fault in him.

Wilder-Duhaupas is a joke but Mayweather-Berto and Briggs-Marrone were serious? I got ya.

shannon briggs does not exist anymore
in world class heavy weight boxing. what
he does has as much relevance as what
roy jones is doing.

floyd mayweather has a career of almost
two decades with dozens of world class
fights. he fought quite a number of top
opponents in recent years.

but you know what, i stop right here, you
are entitled to your opinion. won't argue
with you no more. you think wilder-duha
is equivalent to floyd-berto, so be it.

Tony1244 wrote: Wilder deserves criticism for his choice of opponents. My complaint is that it seems as though Wilder is the only guy getting criticized.

Shannon Briggs has been around a lot longer than Wilder, and Briggs just knocked out a guy who had retired from boxing years ago. Why don't you criticize Mayweather for not fighting GGG? Why don't you criticize GGG for not fighting Ward? Why is Kovalev not fighting Stevenson? It's as though every kid in the class is misbehaving and only one kid gets in trouble.

Wilder is the only guy that matters, because he's a heavyweight. I don't care about little dwarfs fighting, but you're probably right, they are bumfighters as well, next to that Mayweather is a big cheater.

I was just wondering, could it be that Wilder could let Duhaupas sign a contract that says that if Wilder loses, Wilder can ask for a second fight?
If that happens, Wilder can win that second fight and wait another 1.5 years again before he has to fight Povetkin right?


I'm not a 100% sure if I'm right in this case, but paperworker as Wilder is, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes up with something like that.