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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

NateJR wrote:Keep in mind this was a injury he's had since 2009.. just saying.

Yes, which clearly implies that it's a complete load of cobblers concocted to recycle his reputation. If he's been fighting with it since 2009, it clearly wasn't hampering his performances much.

That's what I was hinting at... did anyone one on here know Manny had a 6 year old shoulder injury prior to his post fight interview? floyd shut him down with with faints and the jab and always would have during any part of their careers.

Pureist wrote:Didn't floyd say he'd heard about the injury before the fight from his spy's and usada knew of the injury 3/4 weeks earlier, he just didn't let the state commission know

No, that's what Pacquiao said.. that Floyd knew about the injury because he was spying on him in camp lol.. Pacquiao also claimed the injury occured 2 weeks prior to the fight, so the USADA knew about the injury before it even occurred.. just admit the lying little Filipino laid a egg.

In his news conference after his loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao revealed that he fought with an injured right shoulder.

Top Rank CEO Bob Arum said the injury — which the Pacquiao promoter said was a torn rotator cuff — happened about a month ago and Pacquiao was denied a numbing injection by the Nevada State Athletic Commission before the fight.

The day after the fight, Pacquiao revealed something else in a news conference with Filipino media: Mayweather found out about the injury before the fight through a leak.

"You saw he was pulling my hand. He was doing that because he knew," he told Rappler.com. "He was pulling it. He was holding me, then he was targeting this. I'm sure he found out. Somebody leaked it to him. They knew."

Dashon Johnson, a Pacquiao sparring partner, wrote a Facebook post after the fight saying that not only was the shoulder injury legitimate, but it was supposed to be a secret. According to Johnson, he was even sent home because Pacquiao couldn't spar with the injury:

We were asked not to mention anything to anyone but yes Manny got hurt during this camp with his right shoulder and it was messed up pretty bad! So bad his sparring partners including myself were asked to go home a few weeks out before the actual fight, which means a lot of work he could have put in for this fight was brought to a halt due to the fact that he could not spar really anymore and didn't want to mess it up more than he already had.

It sounds as if Pacquiao's camp had trouble keeping things in-house before the fight. spam.com's Ben Thompson reported on the Friday before the fight that Mayweather's camp knew everything Pacquiao was doing leading up to the fight.

"According to an eyewitness close to Pacquiao's camp, intimate details of his training regimen, from how many rounds he sparred to how many times he used the bathroom, have been leaked over the past several weeks," Thompson reported.

Thompson added: "According to another source, much more information has been leaked; the type of detailed information that only those around him on a daily basis would know."

Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe seemed to acknowledge the Mayweather camp was getting leaked information from Team Pacquiao. In an interview with Yahoo's Kevin Iole before the fight, Ellerbe said: "Freddie Roach thinks he runs a tight camp, but I know everything that's happening there. I heard it's been a very rough camp. And now, I think it's dawning on Manny Pacquiao exactly what he's up against."

spam also points out that Roach, Pacquiao's trainer, told Seconds Out in mid-April that he had to send someone home from Pacquiao's training camp because the person had a preexisting connection with Mayweather. When asked to clarify whether there had been a mole in the camp, Roach said, "Yeah."


Funny, doesn't sound like it nate
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pacquiao ... z3jLLkZaJn

Pureist wrote:In his news conference after his loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao revealed that he fought with an injured right shoulder.

Top Rank CEO Bob Arum said the injury — which the Pacquiao promoter said was a torn rotator cuff — happened about a month ago and Pacquiao was denied a numbing injection by the Nevada State Athletic Commission before the fight.

The day after the fight, Pacquiao revealed something else in a news conference with Filipino media: Mayweather found out about the injury before the fight through a leak.

"You saw he was pulling my hand. He was doing that because he knew," he told Rappler.com. "He was pulling it. He was holding me, then he was targeting this. I'm sure he found out. Somebody leaked it to him. They knew."

Dashon Johnson, a Pacquiao sparring partner, wrote a Facebook post after the fight saying that not only was the shoulder injury legitimate, but it was supposed to be a secret. According to Johnson, he was even sent home because Pacquiao couldn't spar with the injury:

We were asked not to mention anything to anyone but yes Manny got hurt during this camp with his right shoulder and it was messed up pretty bad! So bad his sparring partners including myself were asked to go home a few weeks out before the actual fight, which means a lot of work he could have put in for this fight was brought to a halt due to the fact that he could not spar really anymore and didn't want to mess it up more than he already had.

It sounds as if Pacquiao's camp had trouble keeping things in-house before the fight. spam.com's Ben Thompson reported on the Friday before the fight that Mayweather's camp knew everything Pacquiao was doing leading up to the fight.

"According to an eyewitness close to Pacquiao's camp, intimate details of his training regimen, from how many rounds he sparred to how many times he used the bathroom, have been leaked over the past several weeks," Thompson reported.

Thompson added: "According to another source, much more information has been leaked; the type of detailed information that only those around him on a daily basis would know."

Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe seemed to acknowledge the Mayweather camp was getting leaked information from Team Pacquiao. In an interview with Yahoo's Kevin Iole before the fight, Ellerbe said: "Freddie Roach thinks he runs a tight camp, but I know everything that's happening there. I heard it's been a very rough camp. And now, I think it's dawning on Manny Pacquiao exactly what he's up against."

spam also points out that Roach, Pacquiao's trainer, told Seconds Out in mid-April that he had to send someone home from Pacquiao's training camp because the person had a preexisting connection with Mayweather. When asked to clarify whether there had been a mole in the camp, Roach said, "Yeah."


Funny, doesn't sound like it nate
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pacquiao ... z3jLLkZaJn

Hopefully both teams, including promoters, are being sued for every penny they made.

I don't believe for a second that Team Pac was unaware of the situation. More likely they informed Team FMJ in order to finalize the choreography for the dance exhibition.

FMJ and Pac are not good actors. Go back and watch the final presser. It was obvious to me the fight was going to be a romantic dance routine from that time on.

Absolute farce.

Tanzio wrote:Hopefully both teams, including promoters, are being sued for every penny they made.

I don't believe for a second that Team Pac was unaware of the situation. More likely they informed Team FMJ in order to finalize the choreography for the dance exhibition.

FMJ and Pac are not good actors. Go back and watch the final presser. It was obvious to me the fight was going to be a romantic dance routine from that time on.

Absolute farce.

TBH for you to sit here and suggest that this fight was fixed says a lot about you as a "boxing fan" and I'm not trying to be insulting but you come here with absolutely no facts at all to back this up.

So I guess Floyd allowing Manny to pop him with his hardest shots in the 4th and 6th round was part of the choreography??

Are you really expecting us to buy off into your conspiracy that this was choreographed??

KBB wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Hopefully both teams, including promoters, are being sued for every penny they made.

I don't believe for a second that Team Pac was unaware of the situation. More likely they informed Team FMJ in order to finalize the choreography for the dance exhibition.

FMJ and Pac are not good actors. Go back and watch the final presser. It was obvious to me the fight was going to be a romantic dance routine from that time on.

Absolute farce.

TBH for you to sit here and suggest that this fight was fixed says a lot about you as a "boxing fan" and I'm not trying to be insulting but you come here with absolutely no facts at all to back this up.

So I guess Floyd allowing Manny to pop him with his hardest shots in the 4th and 6th round was part of the choreography??

Are you really expecting us to buy off into your conspiracy that this was choreographed??

I don't expect anything from you, turB, except a biased view that blames everything on Team Pac for the whole charade from the original negotiations on.

FMJ did everything but go right up and plant a big sloppy kiss on Pac's lips from the final presser pre-fight to the post fight press conference, including a couple of dry humps during the fight.

I couldn't careless what you think about anything, especially what you think about my opinion or anything remotely to do with FMJ and Pac.

You have 0 credibility on the subject.

Pac claims he aggravated an old injury. He claims that the injury info was leaked to Team FMJ. FMJ acts like Pac is a buddy fight from the final presser on. FMJ ignores his corner's repeated pleading for him to open up on Manny.

IMO, FMJ and Pac conspired to produce a WWE style farce. They bilked the ppv buying public. They essentially conspired to burn those gambling on the fight because they withheld information that would likely have affected a large % of the wagers.

It was a choreographed dance exhibition. It was a farce, and everyone involved should be sued for everything they made, IMO.

Tanzio wrote:I don't expect anything from you, turB, except a biased view that blames everything on Team Pac for the whole charade from the original negotiations on.


What is it that I blame on Pacquiao?? The only thing I accused him of is lying about his injury, to which he himself has stated that he never saw a doctor and that saltwater healed him<<<But somehow you buy into that LIE!!


FMJ did everything but go right up and plant a big sloppy kiss on Pac's lips from the final presser pre-fight to the post fight press conference, including a couple of dry humps during the fight.


So what? We've always seen Floyd go and embrace everyone he's face after the fight is done and hug or kiss them, look at the bout between himself and Hatton, how about Gatti? How about Oscar?


I couldn't careless what you think about anything, especially what you think about my opinion or anything remotely to do with FMJ and Pac.


I think most people here can care less about what I think but that doesn't make me wrong and you right!! Again, you have not provided any facts to support your stupid claim nor did you answer the questions I asked which makes you even less credible (not that you had any to begin with in the first place).


You have 0 credibility on the subject.


I think I'm exhibiting more credibility with my logical questions than you are with your illogical and non-fact based claim of this being a "fixed fight". Whatever little credibility you thought you had, you may as well consider that down the toilet with the ducking and dodging you have done avoiding answering the questions and not providing any facts whatsoever.

Pac claims he aggravated an old injury. He claims that the injury info was leaked to Team FMJ. FMJ acts like Pac is a buddy fight from the final presser on. FMJ ignores his corner's repeated pleading for him to open up on Manny.


Who cares what Manny claims, he has no credibility because he lied several times throughout the end of this fight about the shoulder and everything else. I saw nowhere where either of them acted as though it was a "Buddy Fight" they had mutual respect for one another and that's something that most boxing fans cannot accept because most were so busy hating on one another instead of looking at the fighter's acknowledgement at the end of the bout for one another.

As far as Floyd ignoring (which he was not) his corner's plea to open up on MP he explained that in the interview with Max saying that he could see why MP was such a difficult opponent and that Manny was crafty and even craftier/trickier than he thought, he explained it to his father in that same manner. Stop romanticizing about stuff that already has answers to it.

IMO, FMJ and Pac conspired to produce a WWE style farce. They bilked the ppv buying public. They essentially conspired to burn those gambling on the fight because they withheld information that would likely have affected a large % of the wagers.


Where are your facts for this bogus claim?? What factual document you have that supports this??


It was a choreographed dance exhibition. It was a farce, and everyone involved should be sued for everything they made, IMO.

Again, I ask you; so you are saying that Floyd and Manny conspired together to allow those huge shots Manny landed on Floyd in the 4th and 6th round??

All my responses to your ridiculousness are in BOLD

KBB wrote:

Tanzio wrote:I don't expect anything from you, turB, except a biased view that blames everything on Team Pac for the whole charade from the original negotiations on.


What is it that I blame on Pacquiao?? The only thing I accused him of is lying about his injury, to which he himself has stated that he never saw a doctor and that saltwater healed him<<<But somehow you buy into that LIE!!


FMJ did everything but go right up and plant a big sloppy kiss on Pac's lips from the final presser pre-fight to the post fight press conference, including a couple of dry humps during the fight.


So what? We've always seen Floyd go and embrace everyone he's face after the fight is done and hug or kiss them, look at the bout between himself and Hatton, how about Gatti? How about Oscar?


I couldn't careless what you think about anything, especially what you think about my opinion or anything remotely to do with FMJ and Pac.


I think most people here can care less about what I think but that doesn't make me wrong and you right!! Again, you have not provided any facts to support your stupid claim nor did you answer the questions I asked which makes you even less credible (not that you had any to begin with in the first place).


You have 0 credibility on the subject.


I think I'm exhibiting more credibility with my logical questions than you are with your illogical and non-fact based claim of this being a "fixed fight". Whatever little credibility you thought you had, you may as well consider that down the toilet with the ducking and dodging you have done avoiding answering the questions and not providing any facts whatsoever.

Pac claims he aggravated an old injury. He claims that the injury info was leaked to Team FMJ. FMJ acts like Pac is a buddy fight from the final presser on. FMJ ignores his corner's repeated pleading for him to open up on Manny.


Who cares what Manny claims, he has no credibility because he lied several times throughout the end of this fight about the shoulder and everything else. I saw nowhere where either of them acted as though it was a "Buddy Fight" they had mutual respect for one another and that's something that most boxing fans cannot accept because most were so busy hating on one another instead of looking at the fighter's acknowledgement at the end of the bout for one another.

As far as Floyd ignoring (which he was not) his corner's plea to open up on MP he explained that in the interview with Max saying that he could see why MP was such a difficult opponent and that Manny was crafty and even craftier/trickier than he thought, he explained it to his father in that same manner. Stop romanticizing about stuff that already has answers to it.

IMO, FMJ and Pac conspired to produce a WWE style farce. They bilked the ppv buying public. They essentially conspired to burn those gambling on the fight because they withheld information that would likely have affected a large % of the wagers.


Where are your facts for this bogus claim?? What factual document you have that supports this??


It was a choreographed dance exhibition. It was a farce, and everyone involved should be sued for everything they made, IMO.

Again, I ask you; so you are saying that Floyd and Manny conspired together to allow those huge shots Manny landed on Floyd in the 4th and 6th round??

All my responses to your ridiculousness are in BOLD

The fight was a choreographed dancing exhibition. It was a farce. Neither fighter came to the ring to fight. Both knew the choreography.

You need not ask me to repeat it again. I called it after the final press conference before the fight and I have been repeating it ever since.

What happened in the ring simply confirmed my suspicions and Team Pac's revelations after the fight are evidence.

Sorry turB, your buddy did nothing but accept his pre-cooked decision. They both looked like gay lovers slapping each other with sixteen oz gloves then kissing and making up between rounds.

FMJ's performance sucked a tiny bit less than Manny's. Of course neither are professional dancers so that's understandable.

Anybody who bet a penny on that farce should be joining the lawsuits.

Some people saying a Cuff injury isn't sore, i did mine playing hurling a few years back and without doubt it was sorest injury i've ever had, couldn't lift my arm at all, i've broken most bones in my body through GAA and hurling as well as Boxing but the cuff hurts like hell.

fighting_irish wrote:Some people saying a Cuff injury isn't sore, i did mine playing hurling a few years back and without doubt it was sorest injury i've ever had, couldn't lift my arm at all, i've broken most bones in my body through GAA and hurling as well as Boxing but the cuff hurts like hell.

It does hurt like hell, but under the proper circumstances and with enough adrenaline it can be worked through for a time.

My final take on this (which, knowing this forum may not be so final after all)

Manny was never hurt. Or no more hurt than he has been since 09, or whenever the original injury is supposed to have occurred.

He may or may not have had surgery, but one thing is clear: no injury had anything to do with how he lost. He lost because he was not good enough.

The same Manny that beat Bradley, and Rios and had Algieri doing canvas somersaults got his arse handed to him by Mayweather.

Manny is a proud man and the hope of a whole country- of course he was going to come up with some face-saving excuse.

He simply should have worked harder on it, made it more believable and not so easily rebutted.

A scoped shoulder that has little or no real injury can be good as new within a month with NO REHAB.

And it looks like that is what we had here.

Tanzio wrote:The fight was a choreographed dancing exhibition. It was a farce. Neither fighter came to the ring to fight. Both knew the choreography.

You need not ask me to repeat it again. I called it after the final press conference before the fight and I have been repeating it ever since.

What happened in the ring simply confirmed my suspicions and Team Pac's revelations after the fight are evidence.

Sorry turB, your buddy did nothing but accept his pre-cooked decision. They both looked like gay lovers slapping each other with sixteen oz gloves then kissing and making up between rounds.

FMJ's performance sucked a tiny bit less than Manny's. Of course neither are professional dancers so that's understandable.

Anybody who bet a penny on that farce should be joining the lawsuits.

Again, you have NO Proof whatsoever, just some stupid comments that doesn't amount to it being facts. You are about the only person in the world I've heard say this fight was fixed.

If it really was a fix then it would've been more logical for it to be fixed in favor of Manny, wouldn't it??

Why would Manny agree to losing a fight knowing that if he won he'd be in the driver's seat and would make more money??

How much sense does your BS theory about it being a choreographed dance make in light of the question above??

I swear that some boxing fans today haven't got a clue but go on speaking with their garbage even though they have no facts whatsoever to support their ridiculousness.

If it was really choreographed, they most likely would have come up with something a lot more like a scene out of a "Rocky" movie than what we actually saw.

Nothing would have ensured an even bigger rematch than both guys going down a few times and then one guy, thru sheer guts, edging out a razor thin victory.

Instead, we got what we usually get from a Mayweather fight...a clinic.

And the fact that it was run against arguably the greatest offensive fighter of the last quarter century made it all that much more incredible.

That's why folks are coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories or counting invisible punches.

Their minds still won't accept what they saw.

koolkc107 wrote: we got what we usually get from a Mayweather fight...a clinic.

Right, a clinic for treating sleep disorders is what Mayweather does during his fights.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: we got what we usually get from a Mayweather fight...a clinic.

Right, a clinic for treating sleep disorders is what Mayweather does during his fights.

Amazing the amount of hate in one post, the man is just so good he shuts his opponents down. Notice how Manny put us to sleep with his ineffective offense in the fight with Floyd.

Amazing how some call boxing show business when it is convenient, but forget that show business presumes that viewers need to be entertained.

ikorolev wrote:Amazing how some call boxing show business when it is convenient, but forget that show business presumes that viewers need to be entertained.

I never call boxing "Show Business", that's some Hollywood crap. If you think that fighters are more concerned with being entertaining when they are actually boxing then you are obviously following the wrong sport.

Just because they chose to show boxing on tv/ppv/whatever as a form of entertainment doesn't mean that boxers are solely focused on going out there and putting on a show for your viewing pleasure, I think you have it twisted.

koolkc107 wrote:If it was really choreographed, they most likely would have come up with something a lot more like a scene out of a "Rocky" movie than what we actually saw.

Nothing would have ensured an even bigger rematch than both guys going down a few times and then one guy, thru sheer guts, edging out a razor thin victory.

Instead, we got what we usually get from a Mayweather fight...a clinic.

And the fact that it was run against arguably the greatest offensive fighter of the last quarter century made it all that much more incredible.

That's why folks are coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories or counting invisible punches.

Their minds still won't accept what they saw.

Exactly! Why choregraph a fight that was so mind numbingly boring, that few people have any interest in a rematch, makes no business sense whatsoever.

What on earth would be in it for Pacman? there's no way they could pay him enough money to take a loss given his earning potential.

I once totally healed my secretly un-torn ACL by one-leg tap dancing in the rain, on a Sunday morning.

KBB wrote:

Tanzio wrote:The fight was a choreographed dancing exhibition. It was a farce. Neither fighter came to the ring to fight. Both knew the choreography.

You need not ask me to repeat it again. I called it after the final press conference before the fight and I have been repeating it ever since.

What happened in the ring simply confirmed my suspicions and Team Pac's revelations after the fight are evidence.

Sorry turB, your buddy did nothing but accept his pre-cooked decision. They both looked like gay lovers slapping each other with sixteen oz gloves then kissing and making up between rounds.

FMJ's performance sucked a tiny bit less than Manny's. Of course neither are professional dancers so that's understandable.

Anybody who bet a penny on that farce should be joining the lawsuits.

Again, you have NO Proof whatsoever, just some stupid comments that doesn't amount to it being facts. You are about the only person in the world I've heard say this fight was fixed.

If it really was a fix then it would've been more logical for it to be fixed in favor of Manny, wouldn't it??

Why would Manny agree to losing a fight knowing that if he won he'd be in the driver's seat and would make more money??

How much sense does your BS theory about it being a choreographed dance make in light of the question above??

I swear that some boxing fans today haven't got a clue but go on speaking with their garbage even though they have no facts whatsoever to support their ridiculousness.

Simple answer for why he would agree to a dance exhibition / 12 rounds of sparring is because he was injured. They informed FMJ of it and probably considered postponing the fight. Instead they chose to go through the motions and setup a rematch.

That is one, very plausible scenario given the information available. It is collusion. It is choreography. It is sparring without the head gear for huge $$$.

If you choose to believe (with no evidence) that Pac was not injured going into the fight, the question becomes why Pac would mislead the public?

The answer to that is a rationale for the dance exhibition's lack of entertainment value. Pac was injured. Team FMJ's spies got wind of it. Pac could not compete. A rematch when Pac is healthy is in order because Pac didn't lose by much even injured.

IMO, the most obvious scenario is that both camps agreed to the dance exhibition with the understanding that there would be a rematch.

Why would either agree to that? Two huge pay days without threat of significant damage.

FMJ's demeanor from the last press conference on screamed that this fight was a preordained conclusion.

I have more proof of this being a choreographed dance / sparring exhibition than you have of Pac lying about being injured.

Tanzio wrote:

KBB wrote:

Tanzio wrote:The fight was a choreographed dancing exhibition. It was a farce. Neither fighter came to the ring to fight. Both knew the choreography.

You need not ask me to repeat it again. I called it after the final press conference before the fight and I have been repeating it ever since.

What happened in the ring simply confirmed my suspicions and Team Pac's revelations after the fight are evidence.

Sorry turB, your buddy did nothing but accept his pre-cooked decision. They both looked like gay lovers slapping each other with sixteen oz gloves then kissing and making up between rounds.

FMJ's performance sucked a tiny bit less than Manny's. Of course neither are professional dancers so that's understandable.

Anybody who bet a penny on that farce should be joining the lawsuits.

Again, you have NO Proof whatsoever, just some stupid comments that doesn't amount to it being facts. You are about the only person in the world I've heard say this fight was fixed.

If it really was a fix then it would've been more logical for it to be fixed in favor of Manny, wouldn't it??

Why would Manny agree to losing a fight knowing that if he won he'd be in the driver's seat and would make more money??

How much sense does your BS theory about it being a choreographed dance make in light of the question above??

I swear that some boxing fans today haven't got a clue but go on speaking with their garbage even though they have no facts whatsoever to support their ridiculousness.

Simple answer for why he would agree to a dance exhibition / 12 rounds of sparring is because he was injured. They informed FMJ of it and probably considered postponing the fight. Instead they chose to go through the motions and setup a rematch.

That is one, very plausible scenario given the information available. It is collusion. It is choreography. It is sparring without the head gear for huge $$$.

If you choose to believe (with no evidence) that Pac was not injured going into the fight, the question becomes why Pac would mislead the public?

The answer to that is a rationale for the dance exhibition's lack of entertainment value. Pac was injured. Team FMJ's spies got wind of it. Pac could not compete. A rematch when Pac is healthy is in order because Pac didn't lose by much even injured.

IMO, the most obvious scenario is that both camps agreed to the dance exhibition with the understanding that there would be a rematch.

Why would either agree to that? Two huge pay days without threat of significant damage.

FMJ's demeanor from the last press conference on screamed that this fight was a preordained conclusion.

I have more proof of this being a choreographed dance / sparring exhibition than you have of Pac lying about being injured.

What evidence, apart from pure conjecture? I mean, have you seen any ACTUAL evidence of Manny's injury.

Floyd fights cautiously every single fight, there's nothing to suggest that there was anything unusual in the way he fought during that fight.

koolkc107 wrote:If it was really choreographed, they most likely would have come up with something a lot more like a scene out of a "Rocky" movie than what we actually saw.

Nothing would have ensured an even bigger rematch than both guys going down a few times and then one guy, thru sheer guts, edging out a razor thin victory.

Instead, we got what we usually get from a Mayweather fight...a clinic.

And the fact that it was run against arguably the greatest offensive fighter of the last quarter century made it all that much more incredible.

That's why folks are coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories or counting invisible punches.

Their minds still won't accept what they saw.

I know what I saw. It was a farce.

Your contention that they would have added blood and knockdowns to the choreography would make sense if they were actors and / or stuntmen.

My opinion that is was a farce has nothing to do with who won or making excuses for Manny's performance. I have always picked FMJ by KO over Pac.

My opinion of the "fight" has everything to do with what happened at the final presser, in the ring, and at the post fight presser.

Pure farce. Collusion to deceive the public. They should be sued for every penny they made and every penny lost in legal betting.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

KBB wrote:
Again, you have NO Proof whatsoever, just some stupid comments that doesn't amount to it being facts. You are about the only person in the world I've heard say this fight was fixed.

If it really was a fix then it would've been more logical for it to be fixed in favor of Manny, wouldn't it??

Why would Manny agree to losing a fight knowing that if he won he'd be in the driver's seat and would make more money??

How much sense does your BS theory about it being a choreographed dance make in light of the question above??

I swear that some boxing fans today haven't got a clue but go on speaking with their garbage even though they have no facts whatsoever to support their ridiculousness.

Simple answer for why he would agree to a dance exhibition / 12 rounds of sparring is because he was injured. They informed FMJ of it and probably considered postponing the fight. Instead they chose to go through the motions and setup a rematch.

That is one, very plausible scenario given the information available. It is collusion. It is choreography. It is sparring without the head gear for huge $$$.

If you choose to believe (with no evidence) that Pac was not injured going into the fight, the question becomes why Pac would mislead the public?

The answer to that is a rationale for the dance exhibition's lack of entertainment value. Pac was injured. Team FMJ's spies got wind of it. Pac could not compete. A rematch when Pac is healthy is in order because Pac didn't lose by much even injured.

IMO, the most obvious scenario is that both camps agreed to the dance exhibition with the understanding that there would be a rematch.

Why would either agree to that? Two huge pay days without threat of significant damage.

FMJ's demeanor from the last press conference on screamed that this fight was a preordained conclusion.

I have more proof of this being a choreographed dance / sparring exhibition than you have of Pac lying about being injured.

What evidence, apart from pure conjecture? I mean, have you seen any ACTUAL evidence of Manny's injury.

Floyd fights cautiously every single fight, there's nothing to suggest that there was anything unusual in the way he fought during that fight.

I'm not arguing that Pac was injured. But I have no evidence that he wasn't. Even if he wasn't, it does not change what I think happened.

Ask Senior and Uncle how THEY feel FMJ fought that evening. Better yet, listen to them in the corner pleading with FMJ to do more than touch gloves and hug Pac.

I'm not interested in convincing anyone. I know what I saw at the final presser. That is why I did not buy the fight. Everything I saw in the ring and at the post fight press conference confirmed the validity of my decision.

It was a farce.

So senior and uncle wouldn't have been in on this huge deception then.... Give me strength!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:So senior and uncle wouldn't have been in on this huge deception then.... Give me strength!

It would make all the sense in the world that they were left with no knowledge of it / plausible deniability.

They are not involved in FMJ's business on all levels.