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samwbr wrote:He sounds punchy since the Froch fights, his voice has changed quite noticeably.

Can't say I've noticed that, but not sure how often I've heard him.

His punch resistance does look to have gone quite dramatically.

He must be taking this hard he's even deleated his twitter account!

rio wrote:He must be taking this hard he's even deleated his twitter account!

Jesus! Poor chap. Anybody know if he's stopped walking yet since leaving the ring?

DeGale and Froch both had pops on Twitter, and why shouldn't they? He'd have done exactly the same thing.

In a way he's got his come uppance - he tried to piss all over Froch's achievements and succeeded in turning much of the public against him. Froch got endless abuse and stick until he sparked Groves in the rematch. Now George is on the receiving end and he doesn't like it one bit.

Control freak behaviour really.

johnswan1 wrote:

rio wrote:He must be taking this hard he's even deleated his twitter account!

In a way he's got his come uppance - he tried to piss all over Froch's achievements and succeeded in turning much of the public against him. Froch got endless abuse and stick until he sparked Groves in the rematch. Now George is on the receiving end and he doesn't like it one bit.

Control freak behaviour really.

He loved to dish it out, with his comments, youtube videos and gimmick twitter accounts - but obviously can't take it.

He's broken, Jermain Taylor concussion syndrome - lost the plot by the sounds of it

rio wrote:I personally think leaving booth ruined his career

Yep, I don't think that helped him either. He was going great with Booth, I don't know what led to that split

I couldn't believe how bad Groves looked and tired in this fight. I felt really disappointed but obviously, I can move on. George, however, is stuck with this defeat, that was supposed to be an easy win, if we are honest.

Needs to switch trainers and move on. Plenty of big fights ahead and at least he didn't get KO'd.

Just seemed to lack that killer instinct and hunger to win.

When DeGale knocks him out in a rematch, George will say he won that. On Planet Groves Carl Froch only landed one punch in two fights.

So the social media bully can't take it back.

Groves could have been seen in a completely different light by fans if he had acted differently in and after the froch fights. He gambled and has lost badly as i reckon most couldn't give a monkeys about him. Has he ever had a fanbase?

He'll be in the blue corner for a long time to come

freddydoesdallas wrote:So the social media bully can't take it back.

Groves could have been seen in a completely different light by fans if he had acted differently in and after the froch fights. He gambled and has lost badly as i reckon most couldn't give a monkeys about him. Has he ever had a fanbase?

He'll be in the blue corner for a long time to come

Not really. Mostly hangers on. I was surrounded by them at Wembley.

Grove officially in my over-rated team

I like Groves but what kind of next level delusional does he have to be too actually believe that he beat Jack. He looked tired, slow and Jacks jab was so much more effective than Groves'. Should just switch trainers and show more hunger to win.

I'm a genuine Groves fan, have been since the early days, I just really enjoy watching him box, he has an exciting style about him, with great foot movement, a world class jab and a genuinely powerful right hand.

I would say though that he hasn't looked the same since the first Froch fight. Whether that is Paddy Fitzpatrick I'm not sure, he seems to be giving sound advice and what he doesn't know about boxing is barely worth knowing, but Groves has lost a bit of the spark that made him exciting. Ideally you'd want him to reunite with Booth as he looked like a star in the making up to Froch 1. From the sounds of it that isn't happening though (I have no idea what went on but posts from people who are usually in the know on here seem to suggest it's terminal).

I do still think Groves/Degale 2 happens next year though as the public will still want to see it once Groves has had a few warm up fights early next year on the undercard of some well hyped Matchroom shows on Sky Sports.

The 'arrogant kid' thing is a front - Groves is a good kid, and he works incredibly hard in the gym, he just hasn't had that stroke of luck in big fights yet (not that he's been 'unlucky' as such but there are times when things could have gone for him that haven't - the Froch 1 stoppage for example, and the punch from the gods when Groves was well placed in the rematch etc).

He'll come again, he's too good not to in my opinion.

That punch from the gods was set up and landed beautifully by Froch. It wasn't luck or anything else. Came through hard work, discipline and no little skill.

If you believe Groves Froch only threw one shot all night, the lad is deluded.

It was a pretty close fight. To me Groves made a little bit more. Anyway it wasn't a robbery.

After deleting his Twitter and Instagram accounts it seems George has gone into hiding. He released the below statement yesterday. By deciding on his future is he suggesting he might be thinking about jacking it in? I doubt he will, it's probably just a natural instinct after such a disappointing defeat. If he's to come back it's got to be with a new trainer but I think Groves will always think he knows better and will want to do things his own way and that will be his downfall.

"Firstly I would like to thank everyone who showed me so much support for the fight last week, especially the British fans who travelled out for it.

"Ultimately it doesn't matter how you lose a world title fight, the feeling is much the same. I lost a split decision as the challenger away from home after being knocked down in the very first round.

"I came very close to achieving a lifelong goal but it wasn't to be. I'm now going to spend some time with my family and decide upon my future."

Groves' promoter Kalle Sauerland said: "After the worst of starts George showed not only skill but immense bravery to a split point decision which could easily have gone for him, certainly had the fight been on home turf.

"Fighting away from home was always going to be the case as challenger but I still feel some of the scoring was out. He won many fans on the other side of the pond and showed again that he belongs at world level.

My observations...

George was looking for a punch to turn things around for him. When he forces his work it's harder to do that. I think drawing Jack onto a shot would have been a better tactic...like he was doing with DeGale in the early rounds.

I kept expecting him to land such a punch and so did Groves.

When he fights a durable type who he can't catch flush, like Jack, this becomes much more difficult to do. And if he's bust a gut trying to do this then he's left empty in the final 3rd of the fight. Jack's KO loss was deceptive. He rarely seemed buzzed and Groves landed some decent right hands.

I think he is a world class operator but right now he's psychologically down and perhaps a little too desperate to prove his power etc...

Would love to see him reunite with Mr Booth.

Really quite shocked that people had Jack winning by 4 rounds etc...

Without sounding harsh - I think everyone including the bookies, thought this would be a case of turning up and embarrassing Badou Jack and taking his title off him in style.

I think the size of the reaction here by Groves, is relative to the size of the shock that the above didn't unfold.

The big money unification fight against Degale at Wembley has gone down the pan now, and whilst Sauerland is putting a positive spin on things - it is not the result they forecasted and their immediate plans are somewhat in tatters.

It will be interesting to see where they all go from here, personally I think an Arthur Abraham fight that others have mentioned is a bad move until George gets himself right.

George's old Haye-style of slipping and throwing heavy bombs has dried up a lot. Instead we see him in range and pretty upright nowadays. His reflexes are not as sharp, his speed has decreased and because of that, his power has not been effective.

To take that current style into a bout with Arthur Abraham could see a gruesome ending. And you know that if Arthur studied the tapes, he would know to just keep throwing heavy bombs until he struck gold. He's got a good chin and wouldn't be afraid to throw at the same time as George until the ending came.

I personally think Groves should take a year out and get himself pulled together. He might be feeling ok in himself, but I think he is still suffering the mental and physical effects of the Froch saga and has got back on the horse too soon after that bad stoppage.

But if denial and more importantly money begin to dictate his next move, it could see him coming straight back and losing to guys that previously he would have overcome.

People cite Adam Booth as a big reason for his decline, but I genuinely think he has been looking ok right up until the point he was stopped at Wembley. Every round prior to that saw him looking fairly sharp and fast - but since then he's look laboured and out of sorts in every round he's boxed afterwards.

I said the time of the stoppage, that he could well be a busted flush, and it's looking that way. If it is concussion-related (and that's what I genuinely believe) then only 1 year's rest can put that right.

He's had 5 fights in 2 years. Two of them were gruelling affairs (both the media build up and fight) against Carl Froch, a blow-by-blow affair against Rebrasse, the mama's boys outing and now another world title challenge that saw him get floored and seem out of sorts. That's a lot of training camps, interviews and fighting for anyone.

He's got enough money, he should pack his bags and go travelling for a bit if you ask me. He's only a young lad and has dedicated his life to the sport so far. Have a clean break, hang out with friends, take his mrs on a world cruise or something. Clear his mind and recharge those batteries. He's still very much got youth on his side and a bit of a break would be positive overall to his career and not detrimental in my opinion.

G0mez wrote:Without sounding harsh - I think everyone including the bookies, thought this would be a case of turning up and embarrassing Badou Jack and taking his title off him in style.

I think the size of the reaction here by Groves, is relative to the size of the shock that the above didn't unfold.

The big money unification fight against Degale at Wembley has gone down the pan now, and whilst Sauerland is putting a positive spin on things - it is not the result they forecasted and their immediate plans are somewhat in tatters.

It will be interesting to see where they all go from here, personally I think an Arthur Abraham fight that others have mentioned is a bad move until George gets himself right.

George's old Haye-style of slipping and throwing heavy bombs has dried up a lot. Instead we see him in range and pretty upright nowadays. His reflexes are not as sharp, his speed has decreased and because of that, his power has not been effective.

To take that current style into a bout with Arthur Abraham could see a gruesome ending. And you know that if Arthur studied the tapes, he would know to just keep throwing heavy bombs until he struck gold. He's got a good chin and wouldn't be afraid to throw at the same time as George until the ending came.

I personally think Groves should take a year out and get himself pulled together. He might be feeling ok in himself, but I think he is still suffering the mental and physical effects of the Froch saga and has got back on the horse too soon after that bad stoppage.

But if denial and more importantly money begin to dictate his next move, it could see him coming straight back and losing to guys that previously he would have overcome.

People cite Adam Booth as a big reason for his decline, but I genuinely think he has been looking ok right up until the point he was stopped at Wembley. Every round prior to that saw him looking fairly sharp and fast - but since then he's look laboured and out of sorts in every round he's boxed afterwards.

I said the time of the stoppage, that he could well be a busted flush, and it's looking that way. If it is concussion-related (and that's what I genuinely believe) then only 1 year's rest can put that right.

He's had 5 fights in 2 years. Two of them were gruelling affairs (both the media build up and fight) against Carl Froch, a blow-by-blow affair against Rebrasse, the mama's boys outing and now another world title challenge that saw him get floored and seem out of sorts. That's a lot of training camps, interviews and fighting for anyone.

He's got enough money, he should pack his bags and go travelling for a bit if you ask me. He's only a young lad and has dedicated his life to the sport so far. Have a clean break, hang out with friends, take his mrs on a world cruise or something. Clear his mind and recharge those batteries. He's still very much got youth on his side and a bit of a break would be positive overall to his career and not detrimental in my opinion.

Exactly, he used to be so slick and looked dangerous whereas somehow now he seems slightly feather-fisted. It's not that he didn't drop Rebrasse or Jack, more that neither even seemed bothered much by Groves' power.

I used to think Groves would beat AA, too quick with good power, smart enough to outbox him. But i don't see how this current version of George could possibly win that fight. Just can't see it.

G0mez wrote:Without sounding harsh - I think everyone including the bookies, thought this would be a case of turning up and embarrassing Badou Jack and taking his title off him in style.

I think the size of the reaction here by Groves, is relative to the size of the shock that the above didn't unfold.

The big money unification fight against Degale at Wembley has gone down the pan now, and whilst Sauerland is putting a positive spin on things - it is not the result they forecasted and their immediate plans are somewhat in tatters.

It will be interesting to see where they all go from here, personally I think an Arthur Abraham fight that others have mentioned is a bad move until George gets himself right.

George's old Haye-style of slipping and throwing heavy bombs has dried up a lot. Instead we see him in range and pretty upright nowadays. His reflexes are not as sharp, his speed has decreased and because of that, his power has not been effective.

To take that current style into a bout with Arthur Abraham could see a gruesome ending. And you know that if Arthur studied the tapes, he would know to just keep throwing heavy bombs until he struck gold. He's got a good chin and wouldn't be afraid to throw at the same time as George until the ending came.

I personally think Groves should take a year out and get himself pulled together. He might be feeling ok in himself, but I think he is still suffering the mental and physical effects of the Froch saga and has got back on the horse too soon after that bad stoppage.

But if denial and more importantly money begin to dictate his next move, it could see him coming straight back and losing to guys that previously he would have overcome.

People cite Adam Booth as a big reason for his decline, but I genuinely think he has been looking ok right up until the point he was stopped at Wembley. Every round prior to that saw him looking fairly sharp and fast - but since then he's look laboured and out of sorts in every round he's boxed afterwards.

I said the time of the stoppage, that he could well be a busted flush, and it's looking that way. If it is concussion-related (and that's what I genuinely believe) then only 1 year's rest can put that right.

He's had 5 fights in 2 years. Two of them were gruelling affairs (both the media build up and fight) against Carl Froch, a blow-by-blow affair against Rebrasse, the mama's boys outing and now another world title challenge that saw him get floored and seem out of sorts. That's a lot of training camps, interviews and fighting for anyone.

He's got enough money, he should pack his bags and go travelling for a bit if you ask me. He's only a young lad and has dedicated his life to the sport so far. Have a clean break, hang out with friends, take his mrs on a world cruise or something. Clear his mind and recharge those batteries. He's still very much got youth on his side and a bit of a break would be positive overall to his career and not detrimental in my opinion.

Excellent post.

As for the fight itself - I thought it was very close.... I can see why Groves thought he won. I think Groves gets an unnecessary hard time sometimes on here. A fighter thinks he won a close fight - 99% of fighters think they won a close fight, yet George is "delusional".

I think the KD affected George psychologically, he forced it a bit too much after and gased at the end. Showed a lot of balls though in the end. George started off (before the KD) very well and I would still tip him to beat Jack in a rematch.

stujones wrote:

G0mez wrote:Without sounding harsh - I think everyone including the bookies, thought this would be a case of turning up and embarrassing Badou Jack and taking his title off him in style.

I think the size of the reaction here by Groves, is relative to the size of the shock that the above didn't unfold.

The big money unification fight against Degale at Wembley has gone down the pan now, and whilst Sauerland is putting a positive spin on things - it is not the result they forecasted and their immediate plans are somewhat in tatters.

It will be interesting to see where they all go from here, personally I think an Arthur Abraham fight that others have mentioned is a bad move until George gets himself right.

George's old Haye-style of slipping and throwing heavy bombs has dried up a lot. Instead we see him in range and pretty upright nowadays. His reflexes are not as sharp, his speed has decreased and because of that, his power has not been effective.

To take that current style into a bout with Arthur Abraham could see a gruesome ending. And you know that if Arthur studied the tapes, he would know to just keep throwing heavy bombs until he struck gold. He's got a good chin and wouldn't be afraid to throw at the same time as George until the ending came.

I personally think Groves should take a year out and get himself pulled together. He might be feeling ok in himself, but I think he is still suffering the mental and physical effects of the Froch saga and has got back on the horse too soon after that bad stoppage.

But if denial and more importantly money begin to dictate his next move, it could see him coming straight back and losing to guys that previously he would have overcome.

People cite Adam Booth as a big reason for his decline, but I genuinely think he has been looking ok right up until the point he was stopped at Wembley. Every round prior to that saw him looking fairly sharp and fast - but since then he's look laboured and out of sorts in every round he's boxed afterwards.

I said the time of the stoppage, that he could well be a busted flush, and it's looking that way. If it is concussion-related (and that's what I genuinely believe) then only 1 year's rest can put that right.

He's had 5 fights in 2 years. Two of them were gruelling affairs (both the media build up and fight) against Carl Froch, a blow-by-blow affair against Rebrasse, the mama's boys outing and now another world title challenge that saw him get floored and seem out of sorts. That's a lot of training camps, interviews and fighting for anyone.

He's got enough money, he should pack his bags and go travelling for a bit if you ask me. He's only a young lad and has dedicated his life to the sport so far. Have a clean break, hang out with friends, take his mrs on a world cruise or something. Clear his mind and recharge those batteries. He's still very much got youth on his side and a bit of a break would be positive overall to his career and not detrimental in my opinion.

Excellent post.

As for the fight itself - I thought it was very close.... I can see why Groves thought he won. I think Groves gets an unnecessary hard time sometimes on here. A fighter thinks he won a close fight - 99% of fighters think they won a close fight, yet George is "delusional".

I think the KD affected George psychologically, he forced it a bit too much after and gased at the end. Showed a lot of balls though in the end. George started off (before the KD) very well and I would still tip him to beat Jack in a rematch.

x2 Good post Gomez.

Groves has lost "something" and rather than letting the punches flow, his work seems forced.

stujones wrote:

G0mez wrote:Without sounding harsh - I think everyone including the bookies, thought this would be a case of turning up and embarrassing Badou Jack and taking his title off him in style.

I think the size of the reaction here by Groves, is relative to the size of the shock that the above didn't unfold.

The big money unification fight against Degale at Wembley has gone down the pan now, and whilst Sauerland is putting a positive spin on things - it is not the result they forecasted and their immediate plans are somewhat in tatters.

It will be interesting to see where they all go from here, personally I think an Arthur Abraham fight that others have mentioned is a bad move until George gets himself right.

George's old Haye-style of slipping and throwing heavy bombs has dried up a lot. Instead we see him in range and pretty upright nowadays. His reflexes are not as sharp, his speed has decreased and because of that, his power has not been effective.

To take that current style into a bout with Arthur Abraham could see a gruesome ending. And you know that if Arthur studied the tapes, he would know to just keep throwing heavy bombs until he struck gold. He's got a good chin and wouldn't be afraid to throw at the same time as George until the ending came.

I personally think Groves should take a year out and get himself pulled together. He might be feeling ok in himself, but I think he is still suffering the mental and physical effects of the Froch saga and has got back on the horse too soon after that bad stoppage.

But if denial and more importantly money begin to dictate his next move, it could see him coming straight back and losing to guys that previously he would have overcome.

People cite Adam Booth as a big reason for his decline, but I genuinely think he has been looking ok right up until the point he was stopped at Wembley. Every round prior to that saw him looking fairly sharp and fast - but since then he's look laboured and out of sorts in every round he's boxed afterwards.

I said the time of the stoppage, that he could well be a busted flush, and it's looking that way. If it is concussion-related (and that's what I genuinely believe) then only 1 year's rest can put that right.

He's had 5 fights in 2 years. Two of them were gruelling affairs (both the media build up and fight) against Carl Froch, a blow-by-blow affair against Rebrasse, the mama's boys outing and now another world title challenge that saw him get floored and seem out of sorts. That's a lot of training camps, interviews and fighting for anyone.

He's got enough money, he should pack his bags and go travelling for a bit if you ask me. He's only a young lad and has dedicated his life to the sport so far. Have a clean break, hang out with friends, take his mrs on a world cruise or something. Clear his mind and recharge those batteries. He's still very much got youth on his side and a bit of a break would be positive overall to his career and not detrimental in my opinion.

Excellent post.

As for the fight itself - I thought it was very close.... I can see why Groves thought he won. I think Groves gets an unnecessary hard time sometimes on here. A fighter thinks he won a close fight - 99% of fighters think they won a close fight, yet George is "delusional".

I think the KD affected George psychologically, he forced it a bit too much after and gased at the end. Showed a lot of balls though in the end. George started off (before the KD) very well and I would still tip him to beat Jack in a rematch.

I didn't score the bout, but it seemed close from where I was sitting. Groves needed to put a bit more work in, but to be fair, Jack was pretty cute in there, and fired back whenever Groves tried to assert himself. The KD was a bit disastrous, I think it made Groves very tense - Jack boxed with real calm and authority, he never seemed ruffled, even under heavy fire.

I'd agree that a little break might do him good, concussion or no concussion. Take a step back from it all. He's made enough money surely.

I said after Froch 1 that that would be the end of him psychologically. He hit Froch with his Sunday punch, best shot of his career, and he got up. Groves knew fine well he was done at the point of the stoppage; he was being rag-dolled around the ring and was far out of his depth. In the second Froch fight and this, you see the results; he doesn't want to unload any more because he doesn't believe he'll get the finish any longer, and he doesn't want to really commit and dominate because in the back of his mind, he's afraid of his battery running down while his opponent comes on stronger. I don't see him sorting that out any time soon.

I said after Froch 1 that that would be the end of him psychologically. He hit Froch with his Sunday punch, best shot of his career, and he got up. Groves knew fine well he was done at the point of the stoppage; he was being rag-dolled around the ring and was far out of his depth. In the second Froch fight and this, you see the results; he doesn't want to unload any more because he doesn't believe he'll get the finish any longer, and he doesn't want to really commit and dominate because in the back of his mind, he's afraid of his battery running down while his opponent comes on stronger. I don't see him sorting that out any time soon.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

samwbr wrote:He sounds punchy since the Froch fights, his voice has changed quite noticeably.

Can't say I've noticed that, but not sure how often I've heard him.

His punch resistance does look to have gone quite dramatically.

Not so much his speech, but he seems to have a pretty vacant look to me since Froch II. I'm kind of at the point watching him now that I had when watching Benn post McClellan and Pazienza post injury, I don't think he's quite right and wouldn't mind seeing him retire, though I'm no brain surgeon!

I like Groves, his willingness to try and do things his way I kinda like. I like types like that.

Totally agree with Gomez - think he's memtally a bit shot.

A break would do him good, I think he's a very good fighter and I do think it's very easy to line up and have a pop, some of it isn't warranted.

He made a tit of himself in the second froch fight, totally underestimated carl and was beaten in the build up if you ask me.

Take time off, drink a load of beer and then come back in about a year. I for one would LOVE to see him win a world title.