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Jacopodb wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 17:40

Controversial wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 16:17

Jacopodb wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:51

That's a good point, and I don't believe that Floyd Jr. ever ducked anyone: he just protected himself at all times, in a broad sense, more likely.

It's not an honourable thing getting slaughtered for a payday... not even Sugar Ray Robinson asked to be chopped down by stronger fighters, while he was still too unripe to face them.

Canelo didn't fight Floyd Jr. when he was 17 years old, as Floyd Jr. avoided fighting Mosley while too inexperienced: they both waited until they could fight on equal terms, and had a similar record... it's fine, it's ok, it's boxing... bloodthirsty cheerleaders don't understand that.

Exactly. Most fighters pick and choose to a certain extent. Foreman was quite honest he wanted no part of Lennox Lewis when he came back, he even said he avoided Quarry when he was younger.

Now, talk to "Big" George Foreman if you'd like to... By watching his even recent interviews, you would reckon that, despite his rather long professional career, he doesn't slur more that you do, perhaps.

Ask Julio Cesar Chavez, Roberto Duran, or Marvelous Marvin Hagler, if it's not worth boxing responsibly: you will see, that even in these recent years, they have never slurred more than any Hollywood super-star actor... All witty gentlemen way far from "queer street", with all due respect for those who went that way.

All of those above-named fighters, and more, have avoided being broken down by overly-superior fighters, yet their careers are as much acclaimed and celebrated as roughly anyone else's.

I can recall even more: would anyone blame Monzon for not fighting former-superwelterweight Benvenuti years prior to their 1970 fight (now Benvenuti is 4 years older than Monzon)? I hope not... Monzon never fought below middleweights, as far as I'm concerned, and Benvenuti came from a lighter weight-class... Nevertheless, Monzon deserved his victory.

Now, read this:

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 21:54 Marquez had to moved up two weight classes to fight Mayweather.

Why aren't there as many fans questioning Monzon's achievements involving a rather older, former-lighter opponent ( viewtopic.php?f=4&t=222620 ), while so many, like this kind Ambling Alp II user, are pointing out that Floyd (who had also fought at 130, earlier) fought older and former-lighter Marquez (who was later fit-enough to floor none other than Pacquiao)? Maybe because Floyd has a clean record, and Monzon not..?

Perhaps Floyd Jr.'s supremacy over the sport has crashed your own wet-dreams and false hopes, or what..?

O pernickety Ambling Alp II, try and give me a good argument about the above-stated topic.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 03:26

Jacopodb wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 17:40

Controversial wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 16:17

Exactly. Most fighters pick and choose to a certain extent. Foreman was quite honest he wanted no part of Lennox Lewis when he came back, he even said he avoided Quarry when he was younger.

Now, talk to "Big" George Foreman if you'd like to... By watching his even recent interviews, you would reckon that, despite his rather long professional career, he doesn't slur more that you do, perhaps.

Ask Julio Cesar Chavez, Roberto Duran, or Marvelous Marvin Hagler, if it's not worth boxing responsibly: you will see, that even in these recent years, they have never slurred more than any Hollywood super-star actor... All witty gentlemen way far from "queer street", with all due respect for those who went that way.

All of those above-named fighters, and more, have avoided being broken down by overly-superior fighters, yet their careers are as much acclaimed and celebrated as roughly anyone else's.

I can recall even more: would anyone blame Monzon for not fighting former-superwelterweight Benvenuti years prior to their 1970 fight (now Benvenuti is 4 years older than Monzon)? I hope not... Monzon never fought below middleweights, as far as I'm concerned, and Benvenuti came from a lighter weight-class... Nevertheless, Monzon deserved his victory.

Now, read this:

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 21:54 Marquez had to moved up two weight classes to fight Mayweather.

Why aren't there as many fans questioning Monzon's achievements involving a rather older, former-lighter opponent ( viewtopic.php?f=4&t=222620 ), while so many, like this kind Ambling Alp II user, are pointing out that Floyd (who had also fought at 130, earlier) fought older and former-lighter Marquez (who was later fit-enough to floor none other than Pacquiao)? Maybe because Floyd has a clean record, and Monzon not..?

Perhaps Floyd Jr.'s supremacy over the sport has crashed your own wet-dreams and false hopes, or what..?

O pernickety Ambling Alp II, try and give me a good argument about the above-stated topic.

Yeah, Duran really picked his spots fighting until he was 50. Lol

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 06:21 So Jacopodb is the new character from the guy who brought us Kalan, yes? Just joined, immediately begins playing the same role. It's all so very tedious.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 17:52

elmersalsa wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 11:42 He is not the best ever, but one of the top 10 greatest boxers pound per pound of all time, though. His accomplishments speak for itself. I ranked him at #7 all time pound per pound. A boring fighter at the later stages of his career, but a very effective one.

Here's where he ranks in my view:
1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis

That's a fair list, IMHO. I don't know where Floyd would stand really, but any respectable all-time top-10 p4p list in this world must include Floyd's name.

Archie Moore wasn't half-bad either: just look at his record, and at his opponents' record and history... All of his losses came against all-time-great, younger or very dangerous fighters perhaps, and he was denied a shot at the world title for over ten years, probably due to racist issues... At least a honourable mention in your list.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 17:48

Jacopodb wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 17:52

elmersalsa wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 11:42 He is not the best ever, but one of the top 10 greatest boxers pound per pound of all time, though. His accomplishments speak for itself. I ranked him at #7 all time pound per pound. A boring fighter at the later stages of his career, but a very effective one.

Here's where he ranks in my view:
1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis

That's a fair list, IMHO. I don't know where Floyd would stand really, but any respectable all-time top-10 p4p list in this world must include Floyd's name.

Archie Moore wasn't half-bad either: just look at his record, and at his opponents' record and history... All of his losses came against all-time-great, younger or very dangerous fighters perhaps, and he was denied a shot at the world title for over ten years, probably due to racist issues... At least a honourable mention in your list.

Archie Moore wasn't half-bad either.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 08:24

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 03:26

Jacopodb wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 17:40

Now, talk to "Big" George Foreman if you'd like to... By watching his even recent interviews, you would reckon that, despite his rather long professional career, he doesn't slur more that you do, perhaps.

Ask Julio Cesar Chavez, Roberto Duran, or Marvelous Marvin Hagler, if it's not worth boxing responsibly: you will see, that even in these recent years, they have never slurred more than any Hollywood super-star actor... All witty gentlemen way far from "queer street", with all due respect for those who went that way.

All of those above-named fighters, and more, have avoided being broken down by overly-superior fighters, yet their careers are as much acclaimed and celebrated as roughly anyone else's.

I can recall even more: would anyone blame Monzon for not fighting former-superwelterweight Benvenuti years prior to their 1970 fight (now Benvenuti is 4 years older than Monzon)? I hope not... Monzon never fought below middleweights, as far as I'm concerned, and Benvenuti came from a lighter weight-class... Nevertheless, Monzon deserved his victory.

Now, read this:

Why aren't there as many fans questioning Monzon's achievements involving a rather older, former-lighter opponent ( viewtopic.php?f=4&t=222620 ), while so many, like this kind Ambling Alp II user, are pointing out that Floyd (who had also fought at 130, earlier) fought older and former-lighter Marquez (who was later fit-enough to floor none other than Pacquiao)? Maybe because Floyd has a clean record, and Monzon not..?

Perhaps Floyd Jr.'s supremacy over the sport has crashed your own wet-dreams and false hopes, or what..?

O pernickety Ambling Alp II, try and give me a good argument about the above-stated topic.

Yeah, Duran really picked his spots fighting until he was 50. Lol

He was KO'd olny 4 times in his long career, altho fighting those big guys wasn't the safest thing: that doesn't make him p4p a better fighter than he was if he fought more responsibly...

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 06:21 So Jacopodb is the new character from the guy who brought us Kalan, yes? Just joined, immediately begins playing the same role. It's all so very tedious.

ewenhay wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:30

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 06:21 So Jacopodb is the new character from the guy who brought us Kalan, yes? Just joined, immediately begins playing the same role. It's all so very tedious.

Ask him his views on the following and we'll find out soon enough.

1. What he thinks of the Lewis v Klitschko fight
2. Where he ranks Joshua and the Klitschkos in his all time heavyweight rankings
3. Which basketball players might have been able to beat Ali with 6 months training

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:31

ewenhay wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:30

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 06:21 So Jacopodb is the new character from the guy who brought us Kalan, yes? Just joined, immediately begins playing the same role. It's all so very tedious.

Ask him his views on the following and we'll find out soon enough.

1. What he thinks of the Lewis v Klitschko fight
2. Where he ranks Joshua and the Klitschkos in his all time heavyweight rankings
3. Which basketball players might have been able to beat Ali with 6 months training

You forgot to mention Oliver McCall and you could have directly mentioned Wilt Chamberlain.

ewenhay wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:34

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:31

ewenhay wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:30

Ask him his views on the following and we'll find out soon enough.

1. What he thinks of the Lewis v Klitschko fight
2. Where he ranks Joshua and the Klitschkos in his all time heavyweight rankings
3. Which basketball players might have been able to beat Ali with 6 months training

You forgot to mention Oliver McCall and you could have directly mentioned Wilt Chamberlain.

Oh yes. Oliver McCall. I forgot that one. Best heavyweight ever in any period of less than 2 minutes duration.

Some of the threads were entertaining at times though I must admit

ewenhay wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:30

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 06:21 So Jacopodb is the new character from the guy who brought us Kalan, yes? Just joined, immediately begins playing the same role. It's all so very tedious.

Ask him his views on the following and we'll find out soon enough.

1. What he thinks of the Lewis v Klitschko fight
2. Where he ranks Joshua and the Klitschkos in his all time heavyweight rankings
3. Which basketball players might have been able to beat Ali with 6 months training

Jacopodb wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 08:36

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 06:21 So Jacopodb is the new character from the guy who brought us Kalan, yes? Just joined, immediately begins playing the same role. It's all so very tedious.

It's rather easy trying to put someone down without bothering to bring valid arguments: altho the easiest way isn't always the best one, I reckon that someone like you might choose a cheaper disregard, rather than a more-challenging argumentation: it's just your style, isn't it?

Now I don't know who or what Kalan is, and it's not my problem, but I believe I just gave some people with dubious ethics something to feel itchy about, and the style of your answer kinda confirms my hypothesis...

Jacopodb wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 20:24

ewenhay wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:30

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 06:21 So Jacopodb is the new character from the guy who brought us Kalan, yes? Just joined, immediately begins playing the same role. It's all so very tedious.

Ask him his views on the following and we'll find out soon enough.

1. What he thinks of the Lewis v Klitschko fight
2. Where he ranks Joshua and the Klitschkos in his all time heavyweight rankings
3. Which basketball players might have been able to beat Ali with 6 months training

I got some spare time... So:

1. Klitschko, as I recall, was ahead on the scorecards, nevertheless the fight was going to be stopped because the wound over Klitschko's eye was too severe to continue. Good decision to stop the fight. Lewis is overall a greater boxer than still-great V. Klitschko, I believe.
2. I liked Vitali better than Wladimir, but I can't exactly tell where they would rank. Most likely both in a top-20 heavyweight ever list. I would rate both Klitschkos above Joshua nonetheless.
3. Not even Le Bron James... He's a big guy, but I believe that no basketball, baseball, even football or rugby player, no matter how big and strong, could beat a peaking Alì with only 6 months training.

Fair enough.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 01:19 He's not kalan. Either a troll or a young fan enamored with the data base as opposed to watching fights.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 06:11 Fair enough, you just don't know what you're talking about. I'll adjust my records.