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mimmy123 wrote:Lloyd Honeyghan v Mark Breland
Tyson v Bruno 2

Yes. These two sprang to mind almost immediately.

A few Clinton Woods performances always upsets me. Johnson 2 I think where he never pressed it or took his opportunities, think he had him stunned or out on his feet in the elventh round but didn't capitalise on it, think he could have pushed him over. Tarver and Cloud you'd think he was overawed but he was a world champ by then and had destroyed the heralded Hoye very easily.

Reid and Benn vs Malinga. Poor robin getting robbed against Okke but what about people like me who paid for ringside for SBM where he thought showing up would get him the win. Probably up there with Haye vs Wlad for the biggest let down and biggest waste of money ever.

Tom Collins vs Jeff Harding, was a strange one, both boxers rocked each other in the first 2 rounds, then Collins quit on his stool after the 2nd round.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2w50KMFDyEA

Cholo_cws wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:Lloyd Honeyghan v Mark Breland
Tyson v Bruno 2

Yes. These two sprang to mind almost immediately.

Bruno's preformance was shameful, he didnt go into that fight to win. I love Bruno but he let the side down fighting Tyson that night. He knew he was going to lose from the outset, his body language told the story in the ring. Bruno should have cried wolf beforehand like a lot of fighters seem to do with fake injuries. He should have fought a easier opponent someone who was decent maybe a 50/50 rather than a 99/01 opponent. Cant blame the guy though for taking the money and running.

Matt W wrote:Got to be Haye against Wlad for me given all of the gob he'd been giving it for so long beforehand.

Actually Matt - that was without doubt the worst. Not only was he gobbing off, but the blueprint for beating wlad had been done, haye had the tools to do it, thousands went in the hope he would. Then not only did he do NOTHING he then blamed his bloody toe.

Haye against Wlad. Thread Over as far as THE worst goes.

mimmy123 wrote: Bruno's preformance was shameful, he didnt go into that fight to win. I love Bruno but he let the side down fighting Tyson that night. He knew he was going to lose from the outset, his body language told the story in the ring. Bruno should have cried wolf beforehand like a lot of fighters seem to do with fake injuries. He should have fought a easier opponent someone who was decent maybe a 50/50 rather than a 99/01 opponent. Cant blame the guy though for taking the money and running.

Bruno retired straight afterwards with a detached retina, didn't he? I do wonder whether he knew about it beforehand - would explain his fear & his terrible performance.

mimmy123 wrote:

Cholo_cws wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:Lloyd Honeyghan v Mark Breland
Tyson v Bruno 2

Yes. These two sprang to mind almost immediately.

Bruno's preformance was shameful, he didnt go into that fight to win. I love Bruno but he let the side down fighting Tyson that night. He knew he was going to lose from the outset, his body language told the story in the ring. Bruno should have cried wolf beforehand like a lot of fighters seem to do with fake injuries. He should have fought a easier opponent someone who was decent maybe a 50/50 rather than a 99/01 opponent. Cant blame the guy though for taking the money and running.

He couldn't fight anyone else, part of the contract King wrote up prior to the fight with McCall was that his first defence had to be against Tyson if he won it.

Not sure if been mentioned, and the difference in levels was the factor, but poor Paul Lloyd and Wenton succumbed pretty meekly to Barerra

reggaereggae wrote:Not sure if been mentioned, and the difference in levels was the factor, but poor Paul Lloyd and Wenton succumbed pretty meekly to Barerra

Can't remember the Wenton fight, but I remember Lloyd got decked like three times, got his nose broken & one eye closed & was pulled out on his stool... after one round?

I believe Glyn Leach (RIP) described it as "like watching a toddler walk into a threshing machine".

Still don't think it was a disappointing performance; he got slaughtered but tried his best, imo.

Datsue wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Not sure if been mentioned, and the difference in levels was the factor, but poor Paul Lloyd and Wenton succumbed pretty meekly to Barerra

Can't remember the Wenton fight, but I remember Lloyd got decked like three times, got his nose broken & one eye closed & was pulled out on his stool... after one round?

I believe Glyn Leach (RIP) described it as "like watching a toddler walk into a threshing machine".

Still don't think it was a disappointing performance; he got slaughtered but tried his best, imo.

Thats right,he just wasn't good enough to start with,whereas some of the others mentioned may have been shot at the time.Jonnny nelson for me,he was more than capable of winning against De'leon and was a total disgrace,i have that fight on tape somewhere,sometimes my lad will comment on a boring fight and i laugh and remind him that he is yet to watch the Nelson v DeLeon classic multi knockdown slugfest,ooops ,sorry,snoozefest lol

Harsh to say Lloyd's performance against Barrerra was disappointing imo - he was absolutely fvcking mauled, possibly the most one-sided 3 minutes I've ever seen. Can't think of a single thing Lloyd could have done to change it, he was totally outclassed.

Boxerbeetle wrote:Harsh to say Lloyd's performance against Barrerra was disappointing imo - he was absolutely fvcking mauled, possibly the most one-sided 3 minutes I've ever seen. Can't think of a single thing Lloyd could have done to change it, he was totally outclassed.

One of the boxing writers wrote that outside of prime Tyson they had never seen a boxer start as ferociously and aggressively as Barerra that night. Barerra fought as if it were personal and he wanted to make a point to Hamed.

dont think you can blame lloyd for that, he was just completely out of his depth like esham pickering against mauricio martinez. it's all about levels.

Not the worst but Froch Ward had me shaking my head

macaca wrote:Not the worst but Froch Ward had me shaking my head

Why? It was apparent Carl couldn't really of much early on when he was getting manhandled in the clinches. He wasn't going to outbox Ward.

palooka wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:Harsh to say Lloyd's performance against Barrerra was disappointing imo - he was absolutely fvcking mauled, possibly the most one-sided 3 minutes I've ever seen. Can't think of a single thing Lloyd could have done to change it, he was totally outclassed.

One of the boxing writers wrote that outside of prime Tyson they had never seen a boxer start as ferociously and aggressively as Barerra that night. Barerra fought as if it were personal and he wanted to make a point to Hamed.

Yeah, i was at the event. A real brutalising. I remember overhearing a respected boxing figure (can't remember who) saying that Barrera was a spiteful little b@stard. He could've won at any pace and carried Lloyd for a few rounds, but just decided to decimate him. Funnily enough Wentom, who got stopped by Barrera previously, actually picked Lloyd to win...:

I saw the MAB/Wenton fight live, 17 years ago next week. Where's the years gone?

veriton wrote:dont think you can blame lloyd for that, he was just completely out of his depth like esham pickering against mauricio martinez. it's all about levels.

Disagree with this. Esham was severely dehydrated going into this fight. He moved up in weight had a lot of success, and he he later sparred Martinez and got top sie of it.

orbtastic wrote:I saw the MAB/Wenton fight live, 17 years ago next week. Where's the years gone?

I know how you feel.... Tomorrow we'll wake up on our death bed!

big lennox wrote:

veriton wrote:dont think you can blame lloyd for that, he was just completely out of his depth like esham pickering against mauricio martinez. it's all about levels.

Disagree with this. Esham was severely dehydrated going into this fight. He moved up in weight had a lot of success, and he he later sparred Martinez and got top sie of it.

Is there anything whatsoever one can say about a Sheffield fighter that doesn't immediately get jumped-upon around here by the ultra-defensive Steel City crew? I'm surprised loads of people haven't posted claiming to have definitely seen the X-ray of Kell's shattered, mangled ribs with their own eyes.

Pickering lasted seventy-two seconds, FFS. Just over a fvcking minute. Going "Oh but years later in a sparring session he did a lot better so that proves he was on that level" is taking jingoism (& talking utter bollocks) to previously unheard of levels.

Also, FTR, fifteen years after the fact, I have it on good authority that Eamonn Loughran handled Jose Luis Lopez in sparring, despite being used a basketball substitute when they actually fought. & also, ten years after being KO'd & outclassed Pedro Alcazar beat the shite outta Fernando Montiel in a rematch held behind closed doors that no-one but five of his mates saw.

This is even more impressive, IMO, as Alcazar had been dead nine & a half years at this point, but it just goes to show, doesn't it?

Datsue wrote:

big lennox wrote:

veriton wrote:dont think you can blame lloyd for that, he was just completely out of his depth like esham pickering against mauricio martinez. it's all about levels.

Disagree with this. Esham was severely dehydrated going into this fight. He moved up in weight had a lot of success, and he he later sparred Martinez and got top sie of it.

Is there anything whatsoever one can say about a Sheffield fighter that doesn't immediately get jumped-upon around here by the ultra-defensive Steel City crew? I'm surprised loads of people haven't posted claiming to have definitely seen the X-ray of Kell's shattered, mangled ribs with their own eyes.

Pickering lasted seventy-two seconds, FFS. Just over a fvcking minute. Going "Oh but years later in a sparring session he did a lot better so that proves he was on that level" is taking jingoism (& talking utter bollocks) to previously unheard of levels.

Also, FTR, fifteen years after the fact, I have it on good authority that Eamonn Loughran handled Jose Luis Lopez in sparring, despite being used a basketball substitute when they actually fought. & also, ten years after being KO'd & outclassed Pedro Alcazar beat the shite outta Fernando Montiel in a rematch held behind closed doors that no-one but five of his mates saw.

This is even more impressive, IMO, as Alcazar had been dead nine & a half years at this point, but it just goes to show, doesn't it?

:x dammit you're funny!

They don't comment on Kid Galahad's rouge brother or Brook's ribs.

Datsue wrote:

big lennox wrote:

veriton wrote:dont think you can blame lloyd for that, he was just completely out of his depth like esham pickering against mauricio martinez. it's all about levels.

Disagree with this. Esham was severely dehydrated going into this fight. He moved up in weight had a lot of success, and he he later sparred Martinez and got top sie of it.

Is there anything whatsoever one can say about a Sheffield fighter that doesn't immediately get jumped-upon around here by the ultra-defensive Steel City crew? I'm surprised loads of people haven't posted claiming to have definitely seen the X-ray of Kell's shattered, mangled ribs with their own eyes.

Pickering lasted seventy-two seconds, FFS. Just over a fvcking minute. Going "Oh but years later in a sparring session he did a lot better so that proves he was on that level" is taking jingoism (& talking utter bollocks) to previously unheard of levels.

Also, FTR, fifteen years after the fact, I have it on good authority that Eamonn Loughran handled Jose Luis Lopez in sparring, despite being used a basketball substitute when they actually fought. & also, ten years after being KO'd & outclassed Pedro Alcazar beat the shite outta Fernando Montiel in a rematch held behind closed doors that no-one but five of his mates saw.

This is even more impressive, IMO, as Alcazar had been dead nine & a half years at this point, but it just goes to show, doesn't it?

spot on datsue, unless you are a close personal friend of pickering there is no way you can claim with any authority that he wasn't just totally smashed by martinez. big lennox, how do you know martinez wasn't severely dehydrated...? the fact is in the fight, pickering was out of his depth and got embarrassingly walloped - as did neil sinclair that night.

Datsue wrote:

big lennox wrote:

veriton wrote:dont think you can blame lloyd for that, he was just completely out of his depth like esham pickering against mauricio martinez. it's all about levels.

Disagree with this. Esham was severely dehydrated going into this fight. He moved up in weight had a lot of success, and he he later sparred Martinez and got top sie of it.

Is there anything whatsoever one can say about a Sheffield fighter that doesn't immediately get jumped-upon around here by the ultra-defensive Steel City crew? I'm surprised loads of people haven't posted claiming to have definitely seen the X-ray of Kell's shattered, mangled ribs with their own eyes.

Pickering lasted seventy-two seconds, FFS. Just over a fvcking minute. Going "Oh but years later in a sparring session he did a lot better so that proves he was on that level" is taking jingoism (& talking utter bollocks) to previously unheard of levels.

Also, FTR, fifteen years after the fact, I have it on good authority that Eamonn Loughran handled Jose Luis Lopez in sparring, despite being used a basketball substitute when they actually fought. & also, ten years after being KO'd & outclassed Pedro Alcazar beat the shite outta Fernando Montiel in a rematch held behind closed doors that no-one but five of his mates saw.

This is even more impressive, IMO, as Alcazar had been dead nine & a half years at this point, but it just goes to show, doesn't it?

What a load of old tosh. If you are severely dehydrated then your punch resistance is not as good as it would normally be. Look at Oscar De La Hoya, for example, he had a superb chin, and took the best of Trinidad, Vargas, Hopkins, Mosley, Pacquaio, etc) but was on the floor a few times at super-featherweight. Esham took the fight, and it was a gamble. I genuingly don't think it was a case of being outclassed, just totally shot at the weight. His durability was not in question after the fight whilst boxing at a very good level and going on to win the european title at the weight above.