Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

Frampton vs. Quigg Winner and How?

Poll ended at 17 Nov 2015, 17:17

Carl Frampton Stoppage
75
22%
Carl Frampton Decision
114
34%
Draw
10
3%
Scott Quigg Decision
27
8%
Scott Quigg Stoppage
110
33%
 
Total votes: 336

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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

Post by Larrylefthook »

expe wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:
expe wrote:Kiko's had his say.

http://www.BS.com/kiko-martine ... gg--100719
I never ever believe former opponents. That's probably just Kiko's way of making himself feel better about getting ko'd in 2 by Quigg - he can put it down to a lucky punch.
He said it was a great punch, but Frampton hit him harder. They both walked Martinez onto a big shot as he came forward, Frampton's put him down and when he got up he staggered backwards and had to be held up by the ropes, Quigg hurt him, then had to follow up with a load more to put him down, he got up, another flurry put him down again before he was stopped on his feet by Terry O'Connor. It isn't unreasonable to say that Frampton's the bigger puncher.

Looking back it was a poor stoppage from O'Connor too, Martinez gets up and he just waves it off without looking at him, didn't ask him to walk forward or anything, don't know why he bothered with the count, clearly had already decided to stop it. Kiko may well have been done, but he should have at least taken a proper look at him before calling it off.
After having a good first round Kiko got too confident and got caught cold against Quigg. Everyone can be put on their arse early but to put someone down in the later rounds is more impressive to me.

This is going to be a great fight. Quigg was getting outboxed by Salinas and I thought he was lucky to get a draw, he has improved since then but Frampton is better boxer then Salinas he is a very smooth and natural operator. Quigg has a really big size advantage though and throws to the body well so I don't think Carl with have an easy night.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Larrylefthook wrote:
expe wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:
I never ever believe former opponents. That's probably just Kiko's way of making himself feel better about getting ko'd in 2 by Quigg - he can put it down to a lucky punch.
He said it was a great punch, but Frampton hit him harder. They both walked Martinez onto a big shot as he came forward, Frampton's put him down and when he got up he staggered backwards and had to be held up by the ropes, Quigg hurt him, then had to follow up with a load more to put him down, he got up, another flurry put him down again before he was stopped on his feet by Terry O'Connor. It isn't unreasonable to say that Frampton's the bigger puncher.

Looking back it was a poor stoppage from O'Connor too, Martinez gets up and he just waves it off without looking at him, didn't ask him to walk forward or anything, don't know why he bothered with the count, clearly had already decided to stop it. Kiko may well have been done, but he should have at least taken a proper look at him before calling it off.
After having a good first round Kiko got too confident and got caught cold against Quigg. Everyone can be put on their arse early but to put someone down in the later rounds is more impressive to me.

This is going to be a great fight. Quigg was getting outboxed by Salinas and I thought he was lucky to get a draw, he has improved since then but Frampton is better boxer then Salinas he is a very smooth and natural operator. Quigg has a really big size advantage though and throws to the body well so I don't think Carl with have an easy night.
I think Gallagher got the gameplan completely wrong that night and Quigg was too willing to stick to it, more or less gave the first 6 rounds away because he decided they needed to keep it tight early and come on strong late, in the end Quigg had to fight his way back into it and nick a draw when he was more than capable of beating Salinas.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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expe wrote:I think Gallagher got the gameplan completely wrong that night and Quigg was too willing to stick to it, more or less gave the first 6 rounds away because he decided they needed to keep it tight early and come on strong late, in the end Quigg had to fight his way back into it and nick a draw when he was more than capable of beating Salinas.
Quigg clearly showed that he was better than Salinas every time he let his hands go.

It is a very bad sign for Quigg's chances against Frampton that Gallagher couldn't see the obvious.

Gallagher being capable of coming up with one of the dumbest game plans in boxing history is also a worry.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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We're referencing Quigg and his gameplan from 3-years ago as being a worry?
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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simonwalsh wrote:We're referencing Quigg and his gameplan from 3-years ago as being a worry?
It was only 2 years and 3 months ago.

Yes, it is a worry as it was incredibly dumb. Absolutely shocking!
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Horse wrote:
simonwalsh wrote:We're referencing Quigg and his gameplan from 3-years ago as being a worry?
It was only 2 years and 3 months ago.

Yes, it is a worry as it was incredibly dumb. Absolutely shocking!
I think both he and Gallagher are much improved since then. That's not to say I think he'll win, as much as I'd like him to, just feel enough time has passed that it doesn't matter today.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Gloves Are Off: Frampton vs. Quigg is scheduled for Sunday February 14th...
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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I always fancied Frampton points in this one but their last performances had me questioning whether Quigg's strength will tell. I'm on the fence at the moment but if pushed would probably stick with Frampton as I think he's the better boxer. Great fight!
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Frampton vs Quigg: Behind The Media Tour - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IzRyV1-Mmc
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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I was strongly backing Frampton for this fight in the past but love him or hate him, Gallagher does seem good at coming up with game plans and Quigg also seems to have a lot of momentum in his favour at the moment. I have a feeling Quigg might stop him.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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lefty wrote:Gallagher does seem good at coming up with game plans
Not always.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Horse wrote:
lefty wrote:Gallagher does seem good at coming up with game plans
Not always.
Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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wesshaw1985 wrote:Frampton vs Quigg: Behind The Media Tour - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IzRyV1-Mmc
That's really renewed my excitement for this fight. Really enjoyed that.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Gloves are off full in good quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_WC9Y7tFUE
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Good stuff - Quigg has appeared more relaxed throughout this build up, where as Frampton has been on edge. I think Quigg is going to win, unless he is overawed by the occasion, which admittedly is very possible.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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If Frampton boxes he wins, if he gets into a shoot out its 50/50.
I hope he can keep a lid on his emotions for 8 rounds and finish Quigg late...
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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wesshaw1985 wrote:Gloves Are Off: Frampton vs. Quigg is scheduled for Sunday February 14th...
Available On Demand now if anyone is interested.

For the record, I'm going Frampton by close decision. I don't think Quigg will tire, he's insanely fit, but I think in terms of just pure boxing ability Frampton edges it by a couple of rounds.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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lefty wrote:
Horse wrote:
lefty wrote:Gallagher does seem good at coming up with game plans
Not always.
Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.
i thought this myself, the other night, for a moment

then i took a step back and thought about it some more. i realised that most of Gallagher's fighters, most of the time, end up doing the same things; round after round, fight after fight. i'm not sure the 'gameplan' for Crolla has changed at all since he beat Andy fkin Morris in about 200fucken9 or whenever. john Murray, gameplan? walk forward with your arms up kid. Macklin under Gallagher, anyone?

so I realised that what happens is when a Gallagher fighter happens to beat someone who was fucken made for him ,we end up saying 'ooh gallagher, gameplan guru'. sometimes the 'gameplan' doesnt work quite that well. there's probably a parallel universe somewhere, where Crolla is still walking straight onto Derry Matthews' left uppercut...
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Frampton will win.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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dbf wrote:Gloves are off full in good quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_WC9Y7tFUE
Ta for that. Really looking forward to this fight now.
Nice little shout out to Kid Galahad in there...
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Counter-puncher wrote:
lefty wrote:
Horse wrote:Not always.
Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.
i thought this myself, the other night, for a moment

then i took a step back and thought about it some more. i realised that most of Gallagher's fighters, most of the time, end up doing the same things; round after round, fight after fight. i'm not sure the 'gameplan' for Crolla has changed at all since he beat Andy fkin Morris in about 200fucken9 or whenever. john Murray, gameplan? walk forward with your arms up kid. Macklin under Gallagher, anyone?

so I realised that what happens is when a Gallagher fighter happens to beat someone who was fucken made for him ,we end up saying 'ooh gallagher, gameplan guru'. sometimes the 'gameplan' doesnt work quite that well. there's probably a parallel universe somewhere, where Crolla is still walking straight onto Derry Matthews' left uppercut...
Gallagher saying that they knew Murray was wide open to the uppercut after the Crolla fight wasn't exactly the best endorsement of his own qualities as a trainer, he trained Murray for 20 years and after all that he still couldn't block an uppercut.

Even Scott Cardle, who was a good amateur and started out counter punching off the back foot, has slowly turned into a clone of the rest of the gym, hands up and walk forward. Is Gallagher actually capable of training a fighter to do anything else?
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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expe wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:
lefty wrote: Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.
i thought this myself, the other night, for a moment

then i took a step back and thought about it some more. i realised that most of Gallagher's fighters, most of the time, end up doing the same things; round after round, fight after fight. i'm not sure the 'gameplan' for Crolla has changed at all since he beat Andy fkin Morris in about 200fucken9 or whenever. john Murray, gameplan? walk forward with your arms up kid. Macklin under Gallagher, anyone?

so I realised that what happens is when a Gallagher fighter happens to beat someone who was fucken made for him ,we end up saying 'ooh gallagher, gameplan guru'. sometimes the 'gameplan' doesnt work quite that well. there's probably a parallel universe somewhere, where Crolla is still walking straight onto Derry Matthews' left uppercut...
Gallagher saying that they knew Murray was wide open to the uppercut after the Crolla fight wasn't exactly the best endorsement of his own qualities as a trainer, he trained Murray for 20 years and after all that he still couldn't block an uppercut.

Even Scott Cardle, who was a good amateur and started out counter punching off the back foot, has slowly turned into a clone of the rest of the gym, hands up and walk forward. Is Gallagher actually capable of training a fighter to do anything else?

n-n-n-n-no, but, 'gameplan'......
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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I cannot take to Quigg.

I can see Frampton winning on points.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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Counter-puncher wrote:
lefty wrote:
Horse wrote:Not always.
Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.
i thought this myself, the other night, for a moment

then i took a step back and thought about it some more. i realised that most of Gallagher's fighters, most of the time, end up doing the same things; round after round, fight after fight. i'm not sure the 'gameplan' for Crolla has changed at all since he beat Andy fkin Morris in about 200fucken9 or whenever. john Murray, gameplan? walk forward with your arms up kid. Macklin under Gallagher, anyone?

so I realised that what happens is when a Gallagher fighter happens to beat someone who was fucken made for him ,we end up saying 'ooh gallagher, gameplan guru'. sometimes the 'gameplan' doesnt work quite that well. there's probably a parallel universe somewhere, where Crolla is still walking straight onto Derry Matthews' left uppercut...
He completely fvcked up the Salinas fight for Quigg.
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Re: Carl Frampton (IBF) vs. Scott Quigg (WBA) - February 27th 2016

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rob h wrote:I cannot take to Quigg.

I can see Frampton winning on points.
He's not the sharpest knife and is trying to be clever taunting Frampton with lines fed to him by Gallagher but Frampton wont bite.
Quigg as the quiet banger was ok, but when he opens his mouth he loses me...
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