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expe wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

expe wrote:Kiko's had his say.

http://www.BS.com/kiko-martine ... gg--100719

I never ever believe former opponents. That's probably just Kiko's way of making himself feel better about getting ko'd in 2 by Quigg - he can put it down to a lucky punch.

He said it was a great punch, but Frampton hit him harder. They both walked Martinez onto a big shot as he came forward, Frampton's put him down and when he got up he staggered backwards and had to be held up by the ropes, Quigg hurt him, then had to follow up with a load more to put him down, he got up, another flurry put him down again before he was stopped on his feet by Terry O'Connor. It isn't unreasonable to say that Frampton's the bigger puncher.

Looking back it was a poor stoppage from O'Connor too, Martinez gets up and he just waves it off without looking at him, didn't ask him to walk forward or anything, don't know why he bothered with the count, clearly had already decided to stop it. Kiko may well have been done, but he should have at least taken a proper look at him before calling it off.

Larrylefthook wrote:

expe wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:
I never ever believe former opponents. That's probably just Kiko's way of making himself feel better about getting ko'd in 2 by Quigg - he can put it down to a lucky punch.

He said it was a great punch, but Frampton hit him harder. They both walked Martinez onto a big shot as he came forward, Frampton's put him down and when he got up he staggered backwards and had to be held up by the ropes, Quigg hurt him, then had to follow up with a load more to put him down, he got up, another flurry put him down again before he was stopped on his feet by Terry O'Connor. It isn't unreasonable to say that Frampton's the bigger puncher.

Looking back it was a poor stoppage from O'Connor too, Martinez gets up and he just waves it off without looking at him, didn't ask him to walk forward or anything, don't know why he bothered with the count, clearly had already decided to stop it. Kiko may well have been done, but he should have at least taken a proper look at him before calling it off.

After having a good first round Kiko got too confident and got caught cold against Quigg. Everyone can be put on their arse early but to put someone down in the later rounds is more impressive to me.

This is going to be a great fight. Quigg was getting outboxed by Salinas and I thought he was lucky to get a draw, he has improved since then but Frampton is better boxer then Salinas he is a very smooth and natural operator. Quigg has a really big size advantage though and throws to the body well so I don't think Carl with have an easy night.

expe wrote:I think Gallagher got the gameplan completely wrong that night and Quigg was too willing to stick to it, more or less gave the first 6 rounds away because he decided they needed to keep it tight early and come on strong late, in the end Quigg had to fight his way back into it and nick a draw when he was more than capable of beating Salinas.

simonwalsh wrote:We're referencing Quigg and his gameplan from 3-years ago as being a worry?

Horse wrote:

simonwalsh wrote:We're referencing Quigg and his gameplan from 3-years ago as being a worry?

It was only 2 years and 3 months ago.

Yes, it is a worry as it was incredibly dumb. Absolutely shocking!

lefty wrote:Gallagher does seem good at coming up with game plans

Horse wrote:

lefty wrote:Gallagher does seem good at coming up with game plans

Not always.

wesshaw1985 wrote:Frampton vs Quigg: Behind The Media Tour - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IzRyV1-Mmc

wesshaw1985 wrote:Gloves Are Off: Frampton vs. Quigg is scheduled for Sunday February 14th...

lefty wrote:

Horse wrote:

lefty wrote:Gallagher does seem good at coming up with game plans

Not always.

Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.

dbf wrote:Gloves are off full in good quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_WC9Y7tFUE

Counter-puncher wrote:

lefty wrote:

Horse wrote:Not always.

Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.

i thought this myself, the other night, for a moment

then i took a step back and thought about it some more. i realised that most of Gallagher's fighters, most of the time, end up doing the same things; round after round, fight after fight. i'm not sure the 'gameplan' for Crolla has changed at all since he beat Andy fkin Morris in about 200fucken9 or whenever. john Murray, gameplan? walk forward with your arms up kid. Macklin under Gallagher, anyone?

so I realised that what happens is when a Gallagher fighter happens to beat someone who was fucken made for him ,we end up saying 'ooh gallagher, gameplan guru'. sometimes the 'gameplan' doesnt work quite that well. there's probably a parallel universe somewhere, where Crolla is still walking straight onto Derry Matthews' left uppercut...

expe wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

lefty wrote: Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.

i thought this myself, the other night, for a moment

then i took a step back and thought about it some more. i realised that most of Gallagher's fighters, most of the time, end up doing the same things; round after round, fight after fight. i'm not sure the 'gameplan' for Crolla has changed at all since he beat Andy fkin Morris in about 200fucken9 or whenever. john Murray, gameplan? walk forward with your arms up kid. Macklin under Gallagher, anyone?

so I realised that what happens is when a Gallagher fighter happens to beat someone who was fucken made for him ,we end up saying 'ooh gallagher, gameplan guru'. sometimes the 'gameplan' doesnt work quite that well. there's probably a parallel universe somewhere, where Crolla is still walking straight onto Derry Matthews' left uppercut...

Gallagher saying that they knew Murray was wide open to the uppercut after the Crolla fight wasn't exactly the best endorsement of his own qualities as a trainer, he trained Murray for 20 years and after all that he still couldn't block an uppercut.

Even Scott Cardle, who was a good amateur and started out counter punching off the back foot, has slowly turned into a clone of the rest of the gym, hands up and walk forward. Is Gallagher actually capable of training a fighter to do anything else?

Counter-puncher wrote:

lefty wrote:

Horse wrote:Not always.

Ok, but a good amount of the time he does.

i thought this myself, the other night, for a moment

then i took a step back and thought about it some more. i realised that most of Gallagher's fighters, most of the time, end up doing the same things; round after round, fight after fight. i'm not sure the 'gameplan' for Crolla has changed at all since he beat Andy fkin Morris in about 200fucken9 or whenever. john Murray, gameplan? walk forward with your arms up kid. Macklin under Gallagher, anyone?

so I realised that what happens is when a Gallagher fighter happens to beat someone who was fucken made for him ,we end up saying 'ooh gallagher, gameplan guru'. sometimes the 'gameplan' doesnt work quite that well. there's probably a parallel universe somewhere, where Crolla is still walking straight onto Derry Matthews' left uppercut...

rob h wrote:I cannot take to Quigg.

I can see Frampton winning on points.