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http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/4061 ... canelo-ggg

Golovkins’ trainer “Honest” Abel Sanchez told me, “I will get him ready for whatever is negotiated.”

Pureist wrote:Answer these 2 questions with a yes or no answer kooli, does canelo hold the lineal MW title, did canelo know who he had to fight NEXT when he won the title, if the answer is yes to those 2 questions then that's how easy it is, stop feeling sorry for the 175 LMW diva

Yes, Canelo holds the lineal middleweight title.
Yes, Canelo knew that if he won, lil g was mando.

Easy enough. Now I have three for you.

True or false: The 2 prior defenses of this WBC and lineal belt have taken place at catchweights.
True or false: Every opponent Canelo has fought has considered themselves a jr middleweight or less at the time of the fight.
True or False: Last November, Loeffler (lil g's promoter) said they'd have no problem going down in weight to meet Canelo even In a title fight.

koolkc107 wrote: True or false: Every opponent Canelo has fought has considered themselves a jr middleweight or less at the time of the fight.
True or False: Last November, Loeffler (lil g's promoter) said they'd have no problem going down in weight to meet Canelo even In a title fight.

True: Canelo likes to win using his size advantage the same way as Chavez Jr did. He knows that if he faces good fighters of his own size, he will start losing like Chavez.

True: Last November Canelo didn't hold WBC belt and Golovkin wasn't his mandatory.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: True or false: Every opponent Canelo has fought has considered themselves a jr middleweight or less at the time of the fight.
True or False: Last November, Loeffler (lil g's promoter) said they'd have no problem going down in weight to meet Canelo even In a title fight.

True: Canelo likes to win using his size advantage the same way as Chavez Jr did. He knows that if he faces good fighters of his own size, he will start losing like Chavez.

True: Last November Canelo didn't hold WBC belt and Golovkin wasn't his mandatory.

Things change. Like Canelo telling Floyd he would drop to 150 to fight him. Canelo has been fighting at middleweight for several fights now, so a few pounds higher to the legal limit shouldn't matter.

True, true and true kooli, and if I recall yesterday YOU posted an article that said GGG would come down to 158, what's the problem, he said he would come down to 154 for FLOYD, not canelo, a Floyd fight would have triple the financial benefits to what canelo would have, who he has fought and at what weight is irrelevant, he holds the MW title, 155 is within that and there is no requirement for GGG to meet that weight

Pureist wrote:True, true and true kooli, and if I recall yesterday YOU posted an article that said GGG would come down to 158, what's the problem, he said he would come down to 154 for FLOYD, not canelo, a Floyd fight would have triple the financial benefits to what canelo would have, who he has fought and at what weight is irrelevant, he holds the MW title, 155 is within that and there is no requirement for GGG to meet that weight

This is what I posted...from November of last year:


“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.”

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3673 ... lo-alvarez

I don't know about you, but that seems pretty clear to me he aint talking about some 158 pound cut-off.

And he makes it clear he is fine with a title being on the line at the catchweight.

Nothing has changed.

He is still the mandatory and it is still a guy who fights at 155 with the belt.

So since everything is the same, y'all need to explain why lil g and his peeps have taken
to singing a different song.

What are they afraid of?

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: True or false: Every opponent Canelo has fought has considered themselves a jr middleweight or less at the time of the fight.
True or False: Last November, Loeffler (lil g's promoter) said they'd have no problem going down in weight to meet Canelo even In a title fight.

True: Canelo likes to win using his size advantage the same way as Chavez Jr did. He knows that if he faces good fighters of his own size, he will start losing like Chavez.

True: Last November Canelo didn't hold WBC belt and Golovkin wasn't his mandatory.

Dude, I thought you blocked me.

Well, could you do me a favor and just block me again?

Thanks.

-The Management

koolkc107 wrote:

Pureist wrote:True, true and true kooli, and if I recall yesterday YOU posted an article that said GGG would come down to 158, what's the problem, he said he would come down to 154 for FLOYD, not canelo, a Floyd fight would have triple the financial benefits to what canelo would have, who he has fought and at what weight is irrelevant, he holds the MW title, 155 is within that and there is no requirement for GGG to meet that weight

This is what I posted...from November of last year:


“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.”

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3673 ... lo-alvarez

I don't know about you, but that seems pretty clear to me he aint talking about some 158 pound cut-off.

And he makes it clear he is fine with a title being on the line at the catchweight.

Nothing has changed.

He is still the mandatory and it is still a guy who fights at 155 with the belt.

So since everything is the same, y'all need to explain why lil g and his peeps have taken
to singing a different song.

What are they afraid of?

You are an idiot. A year ago Canelo didn't have to fight Golovkin. Now he does or has to drop the belt.

They are afraid that severely dehydrated Golovkin won't be able to stop Canelo, and the cheater will get another gift from pocket judges.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Pureist wrote:True, true and true kooli, and if I recall yesterday YOU posted an article that said GGG would come down to 158, what's the problem, he said he would come down to 154 for FLOYD, not canelo, a Floyd fight would have triple the financial benefits to what canelo would have, who he has fought and at what weight is irrelevant, he holds the MW title, 155 is within that and there is no requirement for GGG to meet that weight

This is what I posted...from November of last year:


“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.”

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3673 ... lo-alvarez

I don't know about you, but that seems pretty clear to me he aint talking about some 158 pound cut-off.

And he makes it clear he is fine with a title being on the line at the catchweight.

Nothing has changed.

He is still the mandatory and it is still a guy who fights at 155 with the belt.

So since everything is the same, y'all need to explain why lil g and his peeps have taken
to singing a different song.

What are they afraid of?

You are an idiot. A year ago Canelo didn't have to fight Golovkin. Now he does or has to drop the belt.

They are afraid that severely dehydrated Golovkin won't be able to stop Canelo, and the cheater will get another gift from pocket judges.

So, you are OK with your hero being a hypocrite and going back on his word? Fine.

But here's the part you don't get.

When I say nothing has changed I mean nothing has changed- for lil g.

He is in the same exact position he was a year ago: hoping an A list guy gives him a money fight.

And if he is smart, he realizes that and will STFU about the WBC stripping Canelo.

If he isn't you will see him try to press the WBC and wind up learning firsthand the facts of life.

Canelo doesn't have to fight him now, fool.

Canelo doesn't have to fight him ever. Don't you get that?

So, what do think happens if you get your fanboy wish and the WBC strips Canelo?

You think that equals more money for lil g?

Who is Gennady going to fight then?

Better make the match quick, and hope Saul doesn't offer the guy more money out of spite.

The title means nothing without someone raking in dough to pay sanctioning fees.

Who do you think the WBC sides with then, a guy that just did 97,000 buys or the guy that did a million?

Idiot.

I think you will find 158 will be the bottom line, GGG is giving a bit so now let's see what the diva will do

Pureist wrote:I think you will find 158 will be the bottom line, GGG is giving a bit so now let's see what the diva will do

lil g is the only one blinking.

And they are going to let him blink all the way down to 155.

The only thing just as absurd as a catchweight is this:

a guy saying he will go down to 154 for the best fighter in the world
but can't go down a pound less than that for the fighter that same guy beat...
on top of his bragging about being able to fight in multiple weight classes.

Don't get me wrong.

If they make the fight at 155 I watch.

158, ditto.

160, still making popcorn.

But, to me to biggest factors here are the precedents already set by the WBC and Canelo rising status.

They (the WBC) just are not going to risk alienating the hottest boxing property in the game right now.

With Canelo's youth it is literally a long term investment.

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote: You are an idiot. A year ago Canelo didn't have to fight Golovkin. Now he does or has to drop the belt.

They are afraid that severely dehydrated Golovkin won't be able to stop Canelo, and the cheater will get another gift from pocket judges.

So, you are OK with your hero being a hypocrite and going back on his word? Fine.

But here's the part you don't get.

When I say nothing has changed I mean nothing has changed- for lil g.

He is in the same exact position he was a year ago: hoping an A list guy gives him a money fight.

And if he is smart, he realizes that and will STFU about the WBC stripping Canelo.

If he isn't you will see him try to press the WBC and wind up learning firsthand the facts of life.

Canelo doesn't have to fight him now, fool.

Canelo doesn't have to fight him ever. Don't you get that?

So, what do think happens if you get your fanboy wish and the WBC strips Canelo?

You think that equals more money for lil g?

Who is Gennady going to fight then?

Better make the match quick, and hope Saul doesn't offer the guy more money out of spite.

The title means nothing without someone raking in dough to pay sanctioning fees.

Who do you think the WBC sides with then, a guy that just did 97,000 buys or the guy that did a million?

You once again proved to be a biased idiot. 97k number came from one source, and the same source came up with 650k for Canelo vs Cotto, meaning that the source is unreliable. Correct numbers are 150k and 900k. How many buys would it be if Canelo fought Lemieux? 300-400k at best.

More importantly, why the f@ck are you so preoccupied with money? Did you have to dig food out of garbage or something?

WBC belt will do it for Golovkin. Then, when he has all belts, he may agree to come down to 155-156 for good money.

Canelo has already said he wants the BELT, doesn't care who has it, don't really think it matters that much to him about canelo and his weight wants, contracts are binding, WBC have never been able to force a catch weight in a mandatory, can't see it happening now, anyway we will be getting an update soon, what will the diva do if the WBC say fight or be stripped, will he stick his head between his legs and crawl away, basically taking his worth as well or will he man up and fight

This aint a press release, but the writing sure seems to be on the wall. From BS:

Source: Canelo, Golovkin Clash Not in Play For May

By Miguel Rivera

Last week, the World Boxing Council issued an order which set Friday, December 11th as the deadline for WBC middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez and mandatory challenger Gennady "GGG" Golovkin to reach an agreement.

Before Canelo faced Miguel Cotto for the WBC middleweight on November 28th, the sanctioning body had ordered the winner to make an immediate defense against Golovkin.

Canelo plans to return to the ring in early May as part of Cinco De Mayo weekend. The opponent will not be Golovkin, according to what ESPN Deportes was advised by a source with knowledge of the WBC's announcement.

It appears both fighters are going take at least one fight before facing each other. Golovkin is potentially going to return in March. Mexican Independence Day weekend in September would be the expected period for their showdown.

Canelo (46-1-1, 32 KOs) and Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs) are at odds over the weight limit. Golovkin wants the full middleweight limit of 160-pounds, while Canelo preferred a catch-weight of 155.

Whether or not they face Canelo, trainer Abel Sanchez wants Golovkin to stay busy.

"For me as their coach, I'm going to prepare for the opponent that they tell me we are going to face, and if it's Canelo or some other fighter we won't have any trouble in preparing," Sanchez said. "The only thing I care about is that Gennady remains active. He can not go six or eight months without a fight because the public can forget what you did."

http://www.BS.com/source-canel ... ay---99211

What does this mean?

1) Canelo is not being stripped now or anytime soon by the WBC

2) lil g and his peeps aint gonna rock the boat and risk the payday going away permanently

LMAO!!!!!!

I tried to tell you.

Others in this thread like Caldo tried to tell you.

You would not listen.

What say you now, lil g nuthuggers and fanboys?

Why the f@ck are you so happy? The fight everybody wants to see may not be happening, and you are so glad ??? And you dare to call yourself a boxing fan??? You are a worthless POS troll !

ikorolev wrote:Why the f@ck are you so happy? The fight everybody wants to see may not be happening, and you are so glad ??? And you dare to call yourself a boxing fan??? You are a worthless POS troll !

One mo' 'gain...

Didn't you put me on your ignore list?

Well, how in Jesus's skidmarked tunic did I get off of it?

Please go back to ignoring me, cuz everytime you type something I risk losing IQ points by reading it.

And to answer your imbecilic question, I am not glad about a fight not happening.

Because it will eventually happen.

Just not via terms that lil g has any input in dictating.

See, lil g and his peeps are being DICTATED TO...they are finding out they are not the money that talks
but the bullsh&t that walks.

And by being hypocrites about weight (being willing to go up or down for some but not others) they are now paying for it.

Let me tell you a not so bedtime story to help you understand this a little better.

You live in a pretty small town. There's this older hottie who always brags about being willing to date anyone
and any type as long as he looks OK and has enough money to show her a good time. You happen to have a great job
and have been told you resemble a movie star closely. But, you really haven't been interested in dating her even tho you hear
she might be all that. And you notice that in spite of what she says, she only dates one type of guy- broke, no good
losers that look like Pee Wee Herman and are kinda lucky to get a date with her. One day, this hottie walks up to you and says
the only way she will go out with you is if you take her to the finest places in town- and you have 2 weeks to decide or forget
the whole thing. What do you do?

Well, lil g is the hottie and Canelo is you, the guy with the good job and looks.

Hope that helps!

LOL!

So much crap to hide your hate! How can a boxing fan be in favor of catch weights in a title fight? How can a boxing fan be in favor of postponing a great fight?

B... lies matter !

ikorolev wrote:So much crap to hide your hate! How can a boxing fan be in favor of catch weights in a title fight? How can a boxing fan be in favor of postponing a great fight?

B... lies matter !

Normally I am not.

Search my posts here or anywhere else you will find I am no fan of catchweights period.

But, against a guy that has been bragging for over 2 years how he will fight anyone in several weight classes?

Yeah, lets do that!

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:So much crap to hide your hate! How can a boxing fan be in favor of catch weights in a title fight? How can a boxing fan be in favor of postponing a great fight?

B... lies matter !

Normally I am not.

Search my posts here or anywhere else you will find I am no fan of catchweights period.

But, against a guy that has been bragging for over 2 years how he will fight anyone in several weight classes?

Yeah, lets do that!

Exactly, for the guy you hate you are making exceptions. F@cking liar!

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:So much crap to hide your hate! How can a boxing fan be in favor of catch weights in a title fight? How can a boxing fan be in favor of postponing a great fight?

B... lies matter !

Normally I am not.

Search my posts here or anywhere else you will find I am no fan of catchweights period.

But, against a guy that has been bragging for over 2 years how he will fight anyone in several weight classes?

Yeah, lets do that!

Exactly, for the guy you hate you are making exceptions. F@cking liar!

Lemme get this straight.

Because I have the nerve to want the guy to actually do what he has been saying he wants to do...

...that makes me a hater of him?

Because I want him to actually walk the path of greatness he seems real good at talking about
(but much less good at really walking the walk) that makes me a teller of untruths?

Did it ever occur to you that if lil g winds up doing the things I am suggesting and is successful
at them that his place in boxing history would be forever cemented and undeniable?

Who is the real fan here?

You don't want him to be successful. You are happy that the MW fight almost everybody wants may be delayed.

You want him to either be severely drained or fight light heavies. Once again, you are f@cking hater and liar.

ikorolev wrote:You don't want him to be successful. You are happy that the MW fight almost everybody wants may be delayed.

You want him to either be severely drained or fight light heavies. Once again, you are f@cking hater and liar.

Who ran around for years saying anyone in several weight classes?

All I want is to see him actually DO WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO.

For that, I am a hater?

Ok, I am good with that.

koolkc107 wrote:No, I am not gonna do a Cheppaaa and act like I dreamt this...but I am nevertheless making a prediction.

A month from now, Canelo will still be WBC middleweight champion.
And, if there is a fight with lil g happening next May, it will be at 155, 157 tops.
Or there will be no fight.

How?

The WBC is giving Canelo 15 days to decide whether or not he will fight Gennady-
not 15 days to decide if that defense is at 155 or 160.

Canelo can go to the WBC, say he will fight Golovkin and ask that they sanction the defense at a maximum weight of 155.

And if you think that is impossible guess again...the WBC has done exactly that many times.

And with the money on the line here, my guess is they will do it again.

Yeah, I know you lil g huggers are going to go a little apeshit over this...too bad.

And don't act like you didn't know it was going to happen when it does exactly as I say it will.

Are you going to go apeshit when ggg sets an example and ktfo canelo in less than one round to set an example, and does so at whatever weight canelo decides to dare fight at ?
If canelos team will let him fight lil g. ! (wich they wont btw)
I bet lil g can make and fight at a lower weight than canelo, so why are you obsessed by this ?
Are you ok ?
Merry christmas !

koolkc107 wrote:This aint a press release, but the writing sure seems to be on the wall. From BS:

Source: Canelo, Golovkin Clash Not in Play For May

By Miguel Rivera

Last week, the World Boxing Council issued an order which set Friday, December 11th as the deadline for WBC middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez and mandatory challenger Gennady "GGG" Golovkin to reach an agreement.

Before Canelo faced Miguel Cotto for the WBC middleweight on November 28th, the sanctioning body had ordered the winner to make an immediate defense against Golovkin.

Canelo plans to return to the ring in early May as part of Cinco De Mayo weekend. The opponent will not be Golovkin, according to what ESPN Deportes was advised by a source with knowledge of the WBC's announcement.

It appears both fighters are going take at least one fight before facing each other. Golovkin is potentially going to return in March. Mexican Independence Day weekend in September would be the expected period for their showdown.

Canelo (46-1-1, 32 KOs) and Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs) are at odds over the weight limit. Golovkin wants the full middleweight limit of 160-pounds, while Canelo preferred a catch-weight of 155.

Whether or not they face Canelo, trainer Abel Sanchez wants Golovkin to stay busy.

"For me as their coach, I'm going to prepare for the opponent that they tell me we are going to face, and if it's Canelo or some other fighter we won't have any trouble in preparing," Sanchez said. "The only thing I care about is that Gennady remains active. He can not go six or eight months without a fight because the public can forget what you did."

http://www.BS.com/source-canel ... ay---99211

What does this mean?

1) Canelo is not being stripped now or anytime soon by the WBC

2) lil g and his peeps aint gonna rock the boat and risk the payday going away permanently

LMAO!!!!!!

I tried to tell you.

Others in this thread like Caldo tried to tell you.

You would not listen.

What say you now, lil g nuthuggers and fanboys?

This has just nothing to do with golovkin.
How the fukc can anybody claim to be mw champion when they demand fights at a lower weight. is this serious ?

Hey Butterball, you can read, right?

Then, take a spray of your asthma meds, wipe the gravy from your chin, and read what I am saying about lil g.

See, unlike you, I actually want him to be great.

Nothing would please me more as a boxing fan to say I saw the best middleweight that ever put gloves on go down to 155 and ktfo another great fighter...then go up to 168 and do it again.

Unlike you, I want him to actually live up to or exceed his hype...even a noble loss is better than selling wolf tickets but never ever proving it.

THAT'S what I want.

What about you, Porkchop boy?